For what it's worth, I'm in the third week of a four-week cycle of M4OHN, started at 8 mg ED and moved up to 16 mg after one week. Had my chol checked two days ago and got the results back yesterday afternoon: perfect numbers and ratios.Governor said:
I'm not shut down at all from the "looks" of things, but likely I am to a small extent. The 8 mg dose was shedding BF with no LBM loss, while the 16 dose is shedding a lot of BF and I'm gaining LBM. My wife is having the same results (and same luck with her numbers) on starting at 1 mg ED and moving up to 2 mg after a week. No sides whatsoever for either of us, other than increased, um, intimacy, and improved recovery, vascularity, etc. We're not stacking with anything else nor are we altering our diet; I wanted to see what this substance could do without any confounding factors, and I'm pretty amazed so far (understatement of the year). I'll post final results after the cycle is complete (in about 1-1/2 weeks), after which I will of course never do any PS again because I love the U.S. and thus will be a good little sheep by throwing out my stockpile after the ban.DR.D said:
(cough cough)We're going to try a four-week cycle of MD after a four-week PCT, then switch back to M4OHN for a six-week cycle after a six-week PCT. I'm thinking I'll start the MD at 16 mg ED and move up to 24 after a week, and have her start at 2 mg and move up to 3 (monitoring her for androgenic sides all the while, of course). I thought about trying M1,4-ADD for a cycle over the winter, especially given your prices and undoubted quality, but I'm leery of the reported sides (I'd hate to bloat, even if it would only be for a few weeks).Designer Supps said:
So what are the numbers?rnrkennedy said:
Oh yeah, I guess that would help. Mine were HDL of 152 and LDL of 41 (whatever the units are). That's actually an incremental improvement over last year's numbers, but I credit that with significantly reduced (i.e., close to zero) intake of simple carbs and (obviously) not the M4OHN. I'm at work at the moment trying to finish a project, and I can't recall my wife's specific numbers, but her LDL was lower than mine and her HDL:LDL ratio was nearly identical.supersoldier said:
No, I mean 152 HDL and 41 LDL; last year, my numbers were 150 HDL and 58 LDL. (I had to laugh when I got a warning that my total was over 200. Horrors!) I consider this a testimony to the fact that I was raised to avoid simple carbs, as was my wife. My doctor is an avid high carb advocate, but is beginning to change her mind as a result of my chol numbers and generally outstanding health. By the way, I'm coming up on being 40 years old, and fully intend to look better than the 20 year olds when I go to the Bahamas this coming October. Of course, my 37 year old wife looks better than most 19 year old women even now, for which I am continually thankful.lancelot said:
rnrkennedy said:No, I mean 152 HDL and 41 LDL; last year, my numbers were 150 HDL and 58 LDL. (I had to laugh when I got a warning that my total was over 200. Horrors!) I consider this a testimony to the fact that I was raised to avoid simple carbs, as was my wife. My doctor is an avid high carb advocate, but is beginning to change her mind as a result of my chol numbers and generally outstanding health. By the way, I'm coming up on being 40 years old, and fully intend to look better than the 20 year olds when I go to the Bahamas this coming October. Of course, my 37 year old wife looks better than most 19 year old women even now, for which I am continually thankful.
I personally attribute it to very low intake of simple carbs (like zero fructose), but I'm a firm believer that correlation is often not causation. Other contributing factors may be that I've been lifting for nearly 20 years, my generally 4 to 1 intake ratio of Omega-3 FAs (flax oil, fish oil, etc.) to Omega-6s, my long-term use of 400-800 mg ALA ED, etc. Who knows for sure? (This is one of the reasons that I prefaced my original comment with "for what it's worth", being that my wife and I are obviously not typical PS users. That, and the fact that we haven't finished our cycles.)DR.D said:
