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halovar or andromass for first cycle?

jacobk91

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I was originally going to run halo for six weeks but then I read about andromass which sounds great since it bypasses the liver. Only problem is the price. What would be best for a first cycle?Stats are 180 10%. Want to gain 5 to 10 lean lbs
 
If your issue is price I'd go with Halovar. The only thing you'd need besides the PH is liver support, but even that in some people's opinion is not the needed for something more mild like Halovar. Then the standard PCT you'd have to take with either.
 
mattrag said:
If your issue is price I'd go with Halovar. The only thing you'd need besides the PH is liver support, but even that in some people's opinion is not the needed for something more mild like Halovar. Then the standard PCT you'd have to take with either.
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Price isn't that big of an issue but halo has been around longer and seems like a pretty standard first cycle so I may just go with that
 
I like anything with NAC in it. Many like milk thistle, but if you don't have a poor lipid profile I don't you really NEED it. Look for bulk NAC, or pills. If you want to cover all your bases liver support by SNS, or Cycle assist are the most recommended liver supplements on this board.
 
where did you hear andromass bypasses the liver? that is where most of the conversion is going to happen.

it just doesn't have an extra alkylation to make it orally available, which makes it less hepatotoxic to the liver.

if you had the money, i'd say go for both. hd @ 50mg + andromass @ w/e the rec dosage is.
 
jbryand101b said:
where did you hear andromass bypasses the liver? that is where most of the conversion is going to happen.

it just doesn't have an extra alkylation to make it orally available, which makes it less hepatotoxic to the liver.

if you had the money, i'd say go for both. hd @ 50mg + andromass @ w/e the rec dosage is.
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Well, his main concern was price...

Andromass is already active and does get processed by the liver is it true. Every supp we take does. the toxicity of Andromass is the toxicity of the steroid itself. And not the methylation of the PH/DS like most of the other popular ones. I liked halovar. A friend of mine only will run Hdrol cycles. And he does it for pretty cheap. Liver support on cycle and PCT/OTC PCT.
 
mattrag said:
the toxicity of Andromass is the toxicity of the steroid itself. And not the methylation of the PH/DS like most of the other popular ones.
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wut?

if money is the biggest concern, hd is the best option for a first cycle.

I'd say get 2 bottles just in case, start off with 50mg with the intent to go only 4 weeks, if by week 4 you feel good and want to continue it another 2 weeks to make it six, then you have that extra bottle to use, if you decide to just keep it to 4 weeks, you have another bottle for next time.

for a first cycle, there is zero need to go over 50mg if you have a good clone, the lower the dose, and shorter the cycle, the easier pct will be. the faster you recover, the easier it'll be to keep those lean gains, and sooner you can begin your next cycle.
 
Sorry for the confusion, it's my understanding the the methylation is the only thing that we are saved from by using the andro series/ nonmethylated PH/DS. The only liver stress we get is the conversion of the compound in the liver. If I am wrong please let us know because the OP is obviously new to this area of supplements and I would hate to have given him wrong advice.
 
Might want to check this review out, just popped up on the PP forums.
 
You Primordial guys have definitely piqued my interest. I'm currently looking for a "mild" PH to run, or at least one that I can run with an OTC PCT. AM looks like a good one to consider. I'm an over-thinker, so I'll be perusing some logs before making any decisions. Side note: The price on AM...yikes. I hope it's worth it. :sad:
 
Blaz3 said:
You Primordial guys have definitely piqued my interest. I'm currently looking for a "mild" PH to run, or at least one that I can run with an OTC PCT. AM looks like a good one to consider. I'm an over-thinker, so I'll be perusing some logs before making any decisions. Side note: The price on AM...yikes. I hope it's worth it. :sad:
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As mentioned, hit up a rep, and they can help you out.

jbryand101b said:
Lol that's debatable for sure
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Pleasure to have you back ;)
 
I was saying it is debatable if andromass is worth the high price or not, as it is because there are basically two sides with their own reasons behind why it would or would not be, which in the past however many months it's been since we've first heard about the andro series, has already been debated until that horse was beaten to pieces.

:thumbsup:
 
jbryand101b said:
I was saying it is debatable if andromass is worth the high price or not, as it is because there are basically two sides with their own reasons behind why it would or would not be, which in the past however many months it's been since we've first heard about the andro series, has already been debated until that horse was beaten to pieces.

:thumbsup:
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Ah ok, I agree the price is debatable for many simply because of how high it.
 
If China steps up to the plate then maybe, but that probably will not happen anytime soon
 
I'm try out AMS kit I order. I saw Andromass. Thought it looked interesting. I think in next few months after this run I will try the Andromass. What's a good pct for it? Who can I pm for the special? Thx in advance
 
AaronJP1 said:
I'm try out AMS kit I order. I saw Andromass. Thought it looked interesting. I think in next few months after this run I will try the Andromass. What's a good pct for it? Who can I pm for the special? Thx in advance
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Depends if you want to stay OTC or not. Ideally a SERM + TRS would be an ideal PCT.

If price is a limiting factor on the TRS, hit me up with a PM.
 
PM sent?
 
AaronJP1 said:
I'm try out AMS kit I order. I saw Andromass. Thought it looked interesting. I think in next few months after this run I will try the Andromass. What's a good pct for it? Who can I pm for the special? Thx in advance
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Let us know how the AMS kit vs. Andromass is... I'd be very interested in hearing those comparison.
 
Yeah I will I will run the AMS then I am going to take a month of two off and run some products from you guys ad we will see how that goes. On my way to look at the TRS and I appreciate the pm discount.
Question what if I decide to run your kit 1st I'm going to take a look now.....
 
Halo all day. Tried and true, pretty much everyone responds to it. All the guys saying u only need liver support are smokin crack or just dont give a rats a$$ about their bodies. A all in one cycle support is a must ( n2gaurd, cycle assist, life support)

Run it 50/75/75/75/100/100. You will get very good results if your diet and training are spot on. If u have extra coin add in a non meth like p stanz, Katandrol, 11-oxo, etc
 
no need to run hd over 75mg for a first cycle. stick with 50mg for 3 weeks, and if you feel like going up, 75mg the next 3 weeks.
 
Why stack katanadrol + support supps + Halodrol (high dosed, multiple bottles) when he can simply run 1 compound and fewer support supps?

gymrat827 said:
Halo all day. Tried and true, pretty much everyone responds to it. All the guys saying u only need liver support are smokin crack or just dont give a rats a$$ about their bodies. A all in one cycle support is a must ( n2gaurd, cycle assist, life support)

Run it 50/75/75/75/100/100. You will get very good results if your diet and training are spot on. If u have extra coin add in a non meth like p stanz, Katandrol, 11-oxo, etc
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