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ryane87 said:
Conqu3r Unleashed and HyperMax XT are both really good as well. And for you Diesel fans, JP8x is pretty decent
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X2 on the Hypermax. Is the Conqu3r the newer version? I liked the original at first, but the taste was horrible.
 
First off, busy log today, had to catch up. hairygrandpa is definitely crazy, but that is part of why I love him.. that and his "I won't fail" attitude coupled with his ability to take b.s. from us and run with it .

Second, what is it with everyone and their pre workouts and their pump chasing? Just take some coffee, Bronkaid and/or caffeine in any combo.

I hate Yohimbe too but Alpha-Y is good.

Just get in their and lift!
 
HIT4ME said:
coupled with his ability to take b.s. from us and run with it .
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He's injecting himself with DOG MEDICINE! He not only takes the bs from us, he eats it for breakfast!
 
SFreed said:
X2 on the Hypermax. Is the Conqu3r the newer version? I liked the original at first, but the taste was horrible.
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Original...and it doesn't taste the best, but fck it....lol
 
HIT4ME said:
First off, busy log today, had to catch up. hairygrandpa is definitely crazy, but that is part of why I love him.. that and his "I won't fail" attitude coupled with his ability to take b.s. from us and run with it .

Second, what is it with everyone and their pre workouts and their pump chasing? Just take some coffee, Bronkaid and/or caffeine in any combo.

I hate Yohimbe too but Alpha-Y is good.

Just get in their and lift!
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I like powdered stims???? LOL
 
HIT4ME said:
First off, busy log today, had to catch up. hairygrandpa is definitely crazy, but that is part of why I love him.. that and his "I won't fail" attitude coupled with his ability to take b.s. from us and run with it .

Second, what is it with everyone and their pre workouts and their pump chasing? Just take some coffee, Bronkaid and/or caffeine in any combo.

I hate Yohimbe too but Alpha-Y is good.

Just get in their and lift!
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I like powdered stims???? LOL
 
ryane87 said:
I like powdered stims???? LOL
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Also a good point. I guess I don't blame you..just don't get into them t ok much. I am also fairly stimulant tolerant so most are let downs for me. Dmaa is good though
 
Son finished school. had to do a quick workout 30min, because there is a ceremony at his school.

Chin ups:
13/10/9
Push ups TUT 4.1.1 (anyone should try those, you'll shake like a Miniature Pinscher)
13/10/11
Bent over row BB 220lbs
11/11/10
Chin ups (again)
11/ rp 5
Push ups TUT (again)
10/rp 6
Floor DB extensions
2x25lbs x18/14/12 rp 7 rp 7 rp 6 rp 5

DB shrugs 2x 65lbs
23/18/ rp 11 rp 8 rp 7

Today arrived Superdrol, already took my first dose 10mg post workout.
The mayhem begins!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Son finished school. had to do a quick workout 30min, because there is a ceremony at his school.

Chin ups:
13/10/9
Push ups TUT 4.1.1 (anyone should try those, you'll shake like a Miniature Pinscher)
13/10/11
Bent over row BB 220lbs
11/11/10
Chin ups (again)
11/ rp 5
Push ups TUT (again)
10/rp 6
Floor DB extensions
2x25lbs x18/14/12 rp 7 rp 7 rp 6 rp 5

DB shrugs 2x 65lbs
23/18/ rp 11 rp 8 rp 7

Today arrived Superdrol, already took my first dose 10mg post workout.
The mayhem begins!
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Oh boy
 
hairygrandpa said:
Son finished school. had to do a quick workout 30min, because there is a ceremony at his school.

Chin ups:
13/10/9
Push ups TUT 4.1.1 (anyone should try those, you'll shake like a Miniature Pinscher)
13/10/11
Bent over row BB 220lbs
11/11/10
Chin ups (again)
11/ rp 5
Push ups TUT (again)
10/rp 6
Floor DB extensions
2x25lbs x18/14/12 rp 7 rp 7 rp 6 rp 5

DB shrugs 2x 65lbs
23/18/ rp 11 rp 8 rp 7

Today arrived Superdrol, already took my first dose 10mg post workout.
The mayhem begins!
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Nice for a Quickie!
 
habajaba said:
Is that FireTitan I see in the background? Oh, it's HIT4ME?... Mah bad!

How y'all like my new red shorts tho?
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That's me in the background when I ran too much melanotan. The stuff obviously wasn't curbing my hunger at all thought.
 
So guys, as I suspected, my body does not like S-drol. It didn't liked D-bol neither.
Four hours after taking 10mg BP got a bit up and I felt off, same on D-bol. I could force myself through the cycle as I did with D-bol, but it's a sh1tty ride.
Instead I'm trying to pulse cycle, giving me sides only on workout days.

Here how the cycle will look.:

Test-e: 500mg/week x10 weeks, dose split in 2
1-andro (TD and oral): 400mg/day x10 weeks, dose split in 3
S-drol: only on workout days, 10/20/20/20/20/20 5-7 weeks
CJC+dac throughout 2mg/week split in 2
IGF1-DES bilateral intra workout, total 80mcg/split
PEG-MGF bilateral on off days total 300mcg/split

Ancillaries:
-Huperzine a (fortifying HGH from CJC)
-Ar1macare (liver protect,tudca and others)
-Taurine
-Potassium
-Niacin

My reasoning behind it is, if I drop the S-drol because of sides, I still have a decent bulk cycle left with no liver toxicity.
 
I'm not as educated on cycles - but wouldn't it make sense to take S-Drol on REST days instead of workout days in this setup? I mean, the steroids should help with recovery and if the sides interfere with your workouts it may be counter productive. Just thinking out loud.
 
HIT4ME said:
I'm not as educated on cycles - but wouldn't it make sense to take S-Drol on REST days instead of workout days in this setup? I mean, the steroids should help with recovery and if the sides interfere with your workouts it may be counter productive. Just thinking out loud.
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Nah, researched it for the last few weeks. I thought the same -but even advanced lifters are taking it pre-workout when pulsing. The PEG-MGF does the trick on off days, accelerating recuperation systemically to a high degree.

Edid: I would take S-drol an hour before workout, no sides for at least 4 hours. As I'm working out at night, sides will hit while I sleep.
 
pulsing. Haven't heard that in awhile. I remember when guys at the guy were pulsing there Epistane EOD for like 16 weeks.
 
Studhorse said:
pulsing. Haven't heard that in awhile. I remember when guys at the guy were pulsing there Epistane EOD for like 16 weeks.
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I'm also not very familiar with that -but it's either throwing the S-drol in the bin -or trying it that way.
Until now I was pulsing TD-Trest for 2 month, using it an hour before workouts. It definitely helps with aggression. Will drop it now, as it would overkill the cycle, lol.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I'm also not very familiar with that -but it's either throwing the S-drol in the bin -or trying it that way.
Until now I was pulsing TD-Trest for 2 month, using it an hour before workouts. It definitely helps with aggression. Will drop it now, as it would overkill the cycle, lol.
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Sounds like its worth a try. Supposed to keep the sides down. and in theory get the same gains it just takes longer.
 
Studhorse said:
Sounds like its worth a try. Supposed to keep the sides down. and in theory get the same gains it just takes longer.
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Yes, that's the reasoning behind it, in theory. :)
Will give it my best shot to make that cycle a success, after that it's TRT-rest time.
 
habajaba said:
Those banana based hot dogs sure are long and thin.
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Hehe. In this case they were chicken based, lol.
Paraguay has a lot of German immigrants. Some of them produce typical German sausages.
The quality of the meat AND sausages is absolute top.
If someone would open a store with those goods in USA, he would make a fortune!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Hehe. In this case they were chicken based, lol.
Paraguay has a lot of German immigrants. Some of them produce typical German sausages.
The quality of the meat AND sausages is absolute top.
If someone would open a store with those goods in USA, he would make a fortune!
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Delicious! Cincinnati was a German immigrant city. We had goetta and all the goods. I've had plenty of bratwurst in my day. :)

Are you saying Paraguay is to Germany as Florida is to New York? ;-)
 
habajaba said:
Delicious! Cincinnati was a German immigrant city. We had goetta and all the goods. I've had plenty of bratwurst in my day. :)

Are you saying Paraguay is to Germany as Florida is to New York? ;-)
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You could say that, looking at the contrasts.
 
Push ups TUT 4.1.1 : 18/16/13 elevated legs: 13/12/9
cable chest: 6 sets different weights
DB standing shoulder press 2x40 lbs TUT 3.1.1.: 9/8/8
DB rear delt 2x55lbs: 17/12/12
DB lateral 2x20lbs, keeping tension: 30sec/20sec/20sec
Leg press 250lbs: 28/22/20
chest press machine: -abort, shoulder felt weird- did more push ups instead:
8/7/10
DB pull overs 80lbs TUT 3.1.1.: 10/10/10/10/10/10/8/8
DB shrugs 2x55lbs :26 rp 20 rp 16
 
hairygrandpa said:
Push ups TUT 4.1.1 : 18/16/13 elevated legs: 13/12/9
cable chest: 6 sets different weights
DB standing shoulder press 2x40 lbs TUT 3.1.1.: 9/8/8
DB rear delt 2x55lbs: 17/12/12
DB lateral 2x20lbs, keeping tension: 30sec/20sec/20sec
Leg press 250lbs: 28/22/20
chest press machine: -abort, shoulder felt weird- did more push ups instead:
8/7/10
DB pull overs 80lbs TUT 3.1.1.: 10/10/10/10/10/10/8/8
DB shrugs 2x55lbs :26 rp 20 rp 16
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Doing push ups again! Fuc kin A. I'm a bit jealous.
 
Studhorse said:
Doing push ups again! Fuc kin A. I'm a bit jealous.
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Yes, first time doing them elevated again. But I'm not completely healed. Can't do them with elbows near the body, only with arms wide spread, this is weird, because one would think it stresses the shoulder more.

My chest worries me a bit, I have not enough exercises. I'm missing dips and DB presses. Only some cable exercises are painless, presses are still off limit.

I would like to encourage you to try push ups again, as there are so many ways to do it, I bet some will work!
I started with doing them inclined against a wall, later with hands on a bench.
 
Chin ups: +45lbs x 8 /BW:10/7/8/10/8
Cable overhead triceps rope: 65lbs 14/11/8/13/13/10
Forearms: -sh1t- forgot to do them
Leg extensions: 105lbs 22/20/18 rp 12/ rp 8
calf raises: 3 sets (cramping up)
cable Oblique twists TUT 3.1.1: 40lbs 15/14/12
Tricep/biceps multiple workouts: Total:12 sets different exercises (floor ext. ; seated extens,; biceps curls)

Somehow, I don't get to the planed volume...
Hopefully the S-drol kicks in soon and helps with that.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Yes, first time doing them elevated again. But I'm not completely healed. Can't do them with elbows near the body, only with arms wide spread, this is weird, because one would think it stresses the shoulder more.

My chest worries me a bit, I have not enough exercises. I'm missing dips and DB presses. Only some cable exercises are painless, presses are still off limit.

I would like to encourage you to try push ups again, as there are so many ways to do it, I bet some will work!
I started with doing them inclined against a wall, later with hands on a bench.
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Weird. Yes I can do them on a bench with just a little discomfort. But I have to keep my elbows in tight, more of a tricep exercise.
I hear you on the chest it makes it thought to feel like you can really hit it.
What I'm doing for chest is close to some of the exercises you are doing.
Currently doing for chest.
Hammer decline. Not to heavy. Weight is still in the 15 rep range. Still making progress how ever.

Standing decline cable flys. Just have to make sure I don't stretch too much.

2 handed land mines. These don't hurt but my upper chest has become so week these tier me pretty quick.

Was doing Pull overs. But I feel these more in my front last.

What ever your doing is working. You look good brother.
 
Studhorse said:
Weird. Yes I can do them on a bench with just a little discomfort. But I have to keep my elbows in tight, more of a tricep exercise.
I hear you on the chest it makes it thought to feel like you can really hit it.
What I'm doing for chest is close to some of the exercises you are doing.
Currently doing for chest.
Hammer decline. Not to heavy. Weight is still in the 15 rep range. Still making progress how ever.

Standing decline cable flys. Just have to make sure I don't stretch too much.

2 handed land mines. These don't hurt but my upper chest has become so week these tier me pretty quick.

Was doing Pull overs. But I feel these more in my front last.

What ever your doing is working. You look good brother.
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Will look into hammer decline and land mines.
When doing push ups, on a bench -or wherever, focus on your hand position. I get less pain with hands parallel -or forming a diamond shape -bringing the fingertips inward. Have to try other variations myself, like bringing fingers outwards -or making fists -standing on the knuckles with fists in dips position.
I feel that push ups are most beneficial for chest if you can't do presses (weird, even though it is sort of a press).
Same here when doing flys, can't bring the arms back for full range of motion -but I'm trying all kinds of crossovers with very low weights to see what will work.
It sucks to be a shoulder cripple!
 
When did you start S-Drol? And great job on your workouts!
 
ryane87 said:
When did you start S-Drol? And great job on your workouts!
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3 days ago, pulsing only on workout days -as I felt intoxicated right after the first pill.
So far, it's tolerable and I could feel a hint of back pumps today.
I'm taking 10mg 1 hour before workout (I work out at night) -and 10mg before bed, to sleep during sides.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Will look into hammer decline and land mines.
When doing push ups, on a bench -or wherever, focus on your hand position. I get less pain with hands parallel -or forming a diamond shape -bringing the fingertips inward. Have to try other variations myself, like bringing fingers outwards -or making fists -standing on the knuckles with fists in dips position.
I feel that push ups are most beneficial for chest if you can't do presses (weird, even though it is sort of a press).
Same here when doing flys, can't bring the arms back for full range of motion -but I'm trying all kinds of crossovers with very low weights to see what will work.
It sucks to be a shoulder cripple!
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Hey HGP I dont know if this helps but...

I am 3yrs post arthroscopy to clean up a posterior labrum tear in my r shoulder. Inflammation at this site forces anterior migration upon the humerus whicn in turn leads to crippling impingement through the acromion space, damage to supraspinatus and infraspinatus, knotting and tightnes in traps, rhomboid and lat, and nerve damage at c4 c5.

To press sustainably I have to:
Increase/maintain geometry of the acromion process (plate shrugs with controlled eccentric phase and long botttom stretch with a neutral spine - tucked chin - and braced core)
Strengthen & tighten serratus anterior: observe bottow rib positioning during bench press, if ribs arent packed in then SA not engaged. Twin cable pullovers, ROMWOD style stick pullovers, reverse flyes from floor (face down, neutral spine, braced core esp thoracic & upper abdominals)
Strengthen & restore supraspunatus & infraspunatus: cable & dumbell rotations (strengthen) banded rotations (restore)
Strengthen & tighten rear delts
Release tight pectoral & intercostal muscles: spikey ball & codeine (when things are super tight), lingering over stubborn spots until they release.
Pass two tests: 1.) Seated dumbell rotation, elbow on raised knee such that humerus is horizontal. Fail = inability to stabilise humerus during rotation. 2.) Shoulder dislocate using bench grip width. Fail = shoulder popping forward.


Bench technique: Arched back with heels planted glutes and hammies presing into bench; back arched with abs and diaphragm (gotta take in and hold breath) squeezing in towards spine, pulling bottom ribs towards hips, logissimus contracted against abs (best way i can describe it); wide grip with hands arranged in a 'tiger claw' style grip ( i make a tiger claw over the bar then squeeze shut from there) such that thumb wraps around middle and ring finger, tortioning wrists externally (there is a lot strain on UCL and thumb muscles); arms stacked for external tortion so biceps pointing in direction of head at the top; lats contracted upon unrack squeezing shoulders towards bum at the same time as shoulder blades squeeze in (switch on rhomboids rather than traps) and press back into bench; chin tucked eyes up slightly; slow controlled descent using entire back structure to brake into and generate force for transition; compress core and squeeze lats and chest into lockout exhaling only at the top (bottom exhale is catastrophic for my injury).

The aim is to use large core muscles to provide force for the transition rather than relying on RC and anterior delts, and to properly brace and extend the thorax, so that throughout the movement shoulder blades are kept back pressed into bench, facilitating maintenance of the greatest possible distance between humerus head and Acromion Process. Pecs wont grow before back using this technique which I believe massively reduces passive tension in intercostals, improving posture and thus sliding free from the proverbial rock and the hard place that one finds oneself with shoulder impingenent.

Been on the toilet this whole time. Shoulda wiped before I typed ?
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
Hey HGP I dont know if this helps but...

I am 3yrs post arthroscopy to clean up a posterior labrum tear in my r shoulder. Inflammation at this site forces anterior migration upon the humerus whicn in turn leads to crippling impingement through the acromion space, damage to supraspinatus and infraspinatus, knotting and tightnes in traps, rhomboid and lat, and nerve damage at c4 c5.

To press sustainably I have to:
Increase/maintain geometry of the acromion process (plate shrugs with controlled eccentric phase and long botttom stretch with a neutral spine - tucked chin - and braced core)
Strengthen & tighten serratus anterior: observe bottow rib positioning during bench press, if ribs arent packed in then SA not engaged. Twin cable pullovers, ROMWOD style stick pullovers, reverse flyes from floor (face down, neutral spine, braced core esp thoracic & upper abdominals)
Strengthen & restore supraspunatus & infraspunatus: cable & dumbell rotations (strengthen) banded rotations (restore)
Strengthen & tighten rear delts
Release tight pectoral & intercostal muscles: spikey ball & codeine (when things are super tight), lingering over stubborn spots until they release.
Pass two tests: 1.) Seated dumbell rotation, elbow on raised knee such that humerus is horizontal. Fail = inability to stabilise humerus during rotation. 2.) Shoulder dislocate using bench grip width. Fail = shoulder popping forward.


Bench technique: Arched back with heels planted glutes and hammies presing into bench; back arched with abs and diaphragm (gotta take in and hold breath) squeezing in towards spine, pulling bottom ribs towards hips, logissimus contracted against abs (best way i can describe it); wide grip with hands arranged in a 'tiger claw' style grip ( i make a tiger claw over the bar then squeeze shut from there) such that thumb wraps around middle and ring finger, tortioning wrists externally (there is a lot strain on UCL and thumb muscles); arms stacked for external tortion so biceps pointing in direction of head at the top; lats contracted upon unrack squeezing shoulders towards bum at the same time as shoulder blades squeeze in (switch on rhomboids rather than traps) and press back into bench; chin tucked eyes up slightly; slow controlled descent using entire back structure to brake into and generate force for transition; compress core and squeeze lats and chest into lockout exhaling only at the top (bottom exhale is catastrophic for my injury).

The aim is to use large core muscles to provide force for the transition rather than relying on RC and anterior delts, and to properly brace and extend the thorax, so that throughout the movement shoulder blades are kept back pressed into bench, facilitating maintenance of the greatest possible distance between humerus head and Acromion Process. Pecs wont grow before back using this technique which I believe massively reduces passive tension in intercostals, improving posture and thus sliding free from the proverbial rock and the hard place that one finds oneself with shoulder impingenent.

Been on the toilet this whole time. Shoulda wiped before I typed ��
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Oh, will need time to digest your post, lots of specific anatomical terms, too much to handle in one go for me.
Will re-read again later on, as I think it's good info!
 
Circuit:
Push ups elevated (first time higher, 2 feet) 4.1.1/ hands wide spread
Cable crossovers 2x45lbs TUT 3.1.1
DB shoulder press TUT 3.1.1 2x45lbs
PU 14
CC 12
press 10
PU 10
CC 10
press 8
PU 9
CC 10
press 8
PU 9
CC 13
press 7
PU 9
CC 13
press 7
PU 9
CC 13
press 6

4 different forearm exercises with Olympic BB
Total: 12 sets (this was torture! I forgot how it feels, damn!)

Seated leg press TUT 4.1.1 (decided to do them TUT, felt great!) 250lbs
15/15/13

DB shrugs 2x65lbs
26/22/20/13 ---> grip strength went to zero due to forearm exercises
 
What made me happy was the fact that I could do elevated push ups with legs on a bench, meaning that my shoulder injury is still getting better.
Also the leg press was with little discomfort. To not stress the knees, I figured going TUT 4.1.1 (4 sec. lowering) would be better than doing them quick (the abrupt de-acceleration seems to stress the joints), will keep it that way.

Pulsing Superdrol is going well so far, the little spike in BP is tolerable. Feeling already the increased glycogen in my muscles, giving me a pump throughout the day.
 
That is awesome that shoulder is starting to come around. I am enjoying putting a little more thought into TUT. Are you liking it better than your rest pause work?
 
ryane87 said:
That is awesome that shoulder is starting to come around. I am enjoying putting a little more thought into TUT. Are you liking it better than your rest pause work?
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Always did TUT and rp sets. I don't do RP sets now, will use them later on, as a substitute to "upping the weight" as in HST.

I do TUT intuitive with:
-exercises that would have too many reps to failure (like push ups)
-exercises that feel "unsafe" (for me shoulder presses, overhead triceps extensions, nowadays leg exercises)

When I start DB presses -or BB presses again, it will be low weights and TUT.

I try to proof that moderate weights to failure (TUT/rest pauses) = heavy weights to failure for hypertrophy, laying to rest the bro-science: "Go heavy or go home."
Look at gymnasts -or calisthenics, they almost never use weights.
 
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