justhere4comm
Banned
I'll call and warn. I mean let them know to holster those hogs. Their guns too. I mean it's 10:36p!!!
I cannot be held responsible for stupid things I'm writing at this hour!
Hairygrandpas log, fat- and older people welcome!- diet, training, cycles, healing
- Thread starter hairygrandpa
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I'll call and warn. I mean let them know to holster those hogs. Their guns too. I mean it's 10:36p!!!
I cannot be held responsible for stupid things I'm writing at this hour!
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Have a great trip brother. Great job getting lean!
Brandinooooo
Well-known member
Have fun HGP. May all the weirdness of Florida welcome you with open, sticky, sweaty, oily arms.
Kaprice
Well-known member
Now that you're all lean and cut, go ahead and pig out. Let yourself go. Come back so fat the airline charges you an extra fee to board.
Then you start the journey all over again!
Have fun.
PS: Please don't feed the alligators! (you know, your hand, arms, feet, etc. Or little children.) Seriously, an alligator grabbed and killed a small child at Disney World a few months ago. Watch your step!
PPS: Why would anyone live in a place where you can wake up to an alligator in your back yard? CRAZY!
Then you start the journey all over again!
Have fun.
PS: Please don't feed the alligators! (you know, your hand, arms, feet, etc. Or little children.) Seriously, an alligator grabbed and killed a small child at Disney World a few months ago. Watch your step!
PPS: Why would anyone live in a place where you can wake up to an alligator in your back yard? CRAZY!
Brandinooooo
Well-known member
Now that you're all lean and cut, go ahead and pig out. Let yourself go. Come back so fat the airline charges you an extra fee to board.
Then you start the journey all over again!
Have fun.
PS: Please don't feed the alligators! (you know, your hand, arms, feet, etc. Or little children.) Seriously, an alligator grabbed and killed a small child at Disney World a few months ago. Watch your step!
PPS: Why would anyone live in a place where you can wake up to an alligator in your back yard? CRAZY!
Seriously...
habajaba
Well-known member
For the record, it's pretty cool as long as you aren't stupid. Alligators run AWAY from people unless they're fed or are insane beasts. The aggressive ones are reported and killed. Personally, I'm more afraid of the panther in our neighborhood. But again, they don't generally come after you unless you bring it upon yourself.
But to answer the question... Chill lifestyle, sunshine almost every freaking day, palm trees and beaches. At least on the coast, that is. What more does one need?
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Now that you're all lean and cut, go ahead and pig out. Let yourself go. Come back so fat the airline charges you an extra fee to board.
Then you start the journey all over again!
Have fun.
PS: Please don't feed the alligators! (you know, your hand, arms, feet, etc. Or little children.) Seriously, an alligator grabbed and killed a small child at Disney World a few months ago. Watch your step!
PPS: Why would anyone live in a place where you can wake up to an alligator in your back yard? CRAZY!
For the record, it's pretty cool as long as you aren't stupid. Alligators run AWAY from people unless they're fed or are insane beasts. The aggressive ones are reported and killed. Personally, I'm more afraid of the panther in our neighborhood. But again, they don't generally come after you unless you bring it upon yourself.
But to answer the question... Chill lifestyle, sunshine almost every freaking day, palm trees and beaches. At least on the coast, that is. What more does one need?
I've seen Swamp People. "Shoot it! Shoot it!"
mmorso
Well-known member
For the record, it's pretty cool as long as you aren't stupid. Alligators run AWAY from people unless they're fed or are insane beasts. The aggressive ones are reported and killed. Personally, I'm more afraid of the panther in our neighborhood. But again, they don't generally come after you unless you bring it upon yourself.
But to answer the question... Chill lifestyle, sunshine almost every freaking day, palm trees and beaches. At least on the coast, that is. What more does one need?
Yeah we got wolves, grizzly bears, and mt lions near me. I use to go on a 30min brisk walk before bed when I was cutting and started to carry my .44 cause I was getting jumpy... I live on a cattle ranch and it gets creepy during calving season when the cows are all having babies... you can hear wolves howling and sh1t. Sometimes I take my wife's hound dog and end up tripping on her cause she gets scared too lol
Brandinooooo
Well-known member
Lol. At home we have plus Moose, Lynx, and a few others.
Sparkss
Well-known member
For the record, it's pretty cool as long as you aren't stupid. Alligators run AWAY from people unless they're fed or are insane beasts. The aggressive ones are reported and killed. Personally, I'm more afraid of the panther in our neighborhood. But again, they don't generally come after you unless you bring it upon yourself.
But to answer the question... Chill lifestyle, sunshine almost every freaking day, palm trees and beaches. At least on the coast, that is. What more does one need?
Ditto on all of this. Although I did recall reading that crocodiles are encroaching down south. We live near the coast on the North East side, no real worry about gators making an appearance up here like that. But you can sometimes hear them "hooting" at night.
habajaba
Well-known member
Ha! Love that guy. I believe FL is quite similar to LA once you get up in the panhandle. Or as most people call it, lower Alabama.
MrKleen73
Legend
Wow so much I wanted to reply to but it would have taken way too long. A few highlights though.
Most injuries that have to do with weight lifting are what are called overuse injuries. The can come from machines, free weights, or doing any repetitive motion too many times. I would say improper use of equipment causes more injuries than it being a specific type of equipment being responsible. Careless form with free weights, or improper set ups on machines that hold you into their movement patterns would probably come out equal.
Having a hard on for one movement pattern and doing it way to frequently also sets the stage for injury. Hence why you believe that pushing exercises cause more injury. People fugging love to bench press!!!!! Just as much of a point people naturally tend to have a major imbalance of pushing exercises to pulling movements in their programs. Most people do not work out what they can not see as often. I am in this category too. I love a good push workout! They are so fun and honestly you can push yourself as hard as possible and still not feel run down after a push workout because the muscles are smaller. Try a crushing back workout like that and you are fugging done for the day. SO MUCH MORE MUSCLE BEING WORKED ON PULLING MOVEMENTS!!!!
So add the fact the front side of the body/ push group is typically trained at a 2:1 ratio compared to back and that also explains why you would see more overuse injuries in push groups. However that does not mean that back training is safer because there appear to be less injuries. It just means the back / pull groups are being trained less, so there are less training related injuries.
As far as older people lifting heavy goes. There are too many variables with that however I will say this. Heavy is relative to each person, and the rep range being worked in. Someone working in the 15 rep range can lift heavy for that rep range. In other words they can be at or near the point of failure at 15 reps. That is a HEAVY set of 15. You know it is heavy because it feels that way. Heavy is relative so if it feels heavy. IT IS!!! Now say you took the weight he did for the heavy set of 15 and had him do a set of 5 it would be a very light set of 5.
However I can tell you that a body builder type routine where you are doing 25+ sets lifting 75-85% 1RM in the 6-15 rep range is far more abusive to your connective tissue than a typical strength based program using 85-95% for 3-10 sets in the 3-5 rep range. The difference in volume and stress on the joints there is MASSIVE!!!!!
As an example my max on Deadlifts from the meet was 606. So lets look at the massive difference in volume here using rep numbers in the middle of the rep range and weights from the middle of the range for intensity. This is just what one set of deadlifts in those ranges would compare volume wise.
Hypertrophy Range 80% = 485x10 = 4850 lbs volume in 1 set
Strength Range 90% = 545x4 = 2181 lbs volume in 1 set.
Which do you think your connective tissue could recover from better. Keep in mind the deeper the hole you dig, the more it requires to fill it.
Now keep in mind the Hypertrophy aka "light" weight training also does multiple sets of multiple exercises ending up around 20-40 sets by the end, and the typical strength program will have from 6-15 sometimes up to 20 sets for a given body part and that the accessories are not done to failure, and we are talking about easily doubling the total volume with a hypertrophy based workout where most of the sets are performed very heavy for their rep ranges. So that is a lot more stress on the connective tissue. It is digging a deeper hole.
The bottom line is that with age volume, and frequency have to be adjusted to allow for recovery ability. To keep strength training in the picture some of the volume has to come down in the accessories to have a healthy balance. To push the volume, you want to do less strength focused work to have a healthy balance. Heavy lifting unless having true traumatic injuries is excellent for you and stimulates your connective tissue.
My joints have been healthier the last 2 years where I have been focusing on strength, and using accessories to get some of the volume for growth but the accessories are never pushed to failure, and typically don't go over an RPE8 on them.
By the way the reason older people need more time to recover is that we produce less collagen. It is typically not the muscle healing that is a problem for us. Instead it is a slower recovery process in the connective tissue due to less collagen. This is why older guys on HGH do very well the HGH increases the collagen. It is the natural drop in GH that causes the drop in collagen production. So there is an extremely logical reason why frequency has to be adjusted for older guys working in the upper ends of their strength curves.
Getting older doesn't mean you can't lift heavy anymore. It means if you want to that you need to be smarter about it. However believing that a hypertrophy based workout will limit injury is also wrong unless you are just going through the motions and doing pump work. It is best to rotate the goals around a bit. Only buckling down on one facet or the other when you have a goal that requires that level of specificity.
Also the mention that push exercises might cause more injury due to the reversal of direction at the bottom of the movement being compared to throwing something up and decellerating it when you catch it is a great theory but only holds water for someone who is actually throwing the barbell and catching it. There are no sheer forces, or violent changes of direction in controlled lifting. You can perform a rep like that intentionally yes but that is sloppy lifting. Now you can use the stretch reflex to get more oomph an explosiveness out of the bottom. However that is often done by advanced trainees, and most new guys don't understand or no how to perform that properly unless shown. Either way though a controlled press is never going to produce the drop and catch level of impact referred to. Even during explosive reps like say doing 135 on bench as fast as possible, you still have to decellerate it at the top to stop it. Then it should be lowered under control.
Now on to the Form Nazis - here is the most important thing you need to know about form. STAY TIGHT! That is it. Thats the end of the form lecture!
No really, natural movement is not linear or perfect. There are some definite no-nos out there for certain exercises. However there are entirely too many variables in the human skeletal anatomy to say this is the optimal form for everyone. Also if you only ever train in perfect angles you tend to injure yourself in regular life when you have to suddenly be explosive, or strong in a position your body is not used to doing so with. The bottom line is when you lift you need to stay tight everywhere. You should be engaged completely and if you are then you are not likely to get injured.
Again let me reiterate this especially for anyone who learned a lot in the 90's or early 2000's when EVERYONE WAS A FORM NAZI! That was when all the PT Certs started telling people to only bench to 3-4 inches of the chest, or don't protract your scapula at the top of a pull up or pull down. All kind of things limiting compound movements trying to isolate certain muscles, effectively negating the purpose of doing compound movements in the first place. It all just went haywire and so many people are still stuck on that information. However the reality of it is that setting up properly, getting tight and staying tight are the most important parts of what people call "form". If you stay tight then you are protecting everything as much as possible.
You need to train in and be strong in all angles and directions. You should train with odd objects, and sometimes even intentionally offset weights. You want to remain injury free you need to make sure you are strong everywhere, every angle and every direction.
As far as training to failure and keeping form, that is not possible. If you train to concentric failure you will indeed lose form. Failing on the final rep is breaking form. It was not done to complete ROM and that is not proper form unless partials were intended for the last rep.
I am sure there was more but I love the fact there is so much thought being put into things in here.
Most injuries that have to do with weight lifting are what are called overuse injuries. The can come from machines, free weights, or doing any repetitive motion too many times. I would say improper use of equipment causes more injuries than it being a specific type of equipment being responsible. Careless form with free weights, or improper set ups on machines that hold you into their movement patterns would probably come out equal.
Having a hard on for one movement pattern and doing it way to frequently also sets the stage for injury. Hence why you believe that pushing exercises cause more injury. People fugging love to bench press!!!!! Just as much of a point people naturally tend to have a major imbalance of pushing exercises to pulling movements in their programs. Most people do not work out what they can not see as often. I am in this category too. I love a good push workout! They are so fun and honestly you can push yourself as hard as possible and still not feel run down after a push workout because the muscles are smaller. Try a crushing back workout like that and you are fugging done for the day. SO MUCH MORE MUSCLE BEING WORKED ON PULLING MOVEMENTS!!!!
So add the fact the front side of the body/ push group is typically trained at a 2:1 ratio compared to back and that also explains why you would see more overuse injuries in push groups. However that does not mean that back training is safer because there appear to be less injuries. It just means the back / pull groups are being trained less, so there are less training related injuries.
As far as older people lifting heavy goes. There are too many variables with that however I will say this. Heavy is relative to each person, and the rep range being worked in. Someone working in the 15 rep range can lift heavy for that rep range. In other words they can be at or near the point of failure at 15 reps. That is a HEAVY set of 15. You know it is heavy because it feels that way. Heavy is relative so if it feels heavy. IT IS!!! Now say you took the weight he did for the heavy set of 15 and had him do a set of 5 it would be a very light set of 5.
However I can tell you that a body builder type routine where you are doing 25+ sets lifting 75-85% 1RM in the 6-15 rep range is far more abusive to your connective tissue than a typical strength based program using 85-95% for 3-10 sets in the 3-5 rep range. The difference in volume and stress on the joints there is MASSIVE!!!!!
As an example my max on Deadlifts from the meet was 606. So lets look at the massive difference in volume here using rep numbers in the middle of the rep range and weights from the middle of the range for intensity. This is just what one set of deadlifts in those ranges would compare volume wise.
Hypertrophy Range 80% = 485x10 = 4850 lbs volume in 1 set
Strength Range 90% = 545x4 = 2181 lbs volume in 1 set.
Which do you think your connective tissue could recover from better. Keep in mind the deeper the hole you dig, the more it requires to fill it.
Now keep in mind the Hypertrophy aka "light" weight training also does multiple sets of multiple exercises ending up around 20-40 sets by the end, and the typical strength program will have from 6-15 sometimes up to 20 sets for a given body part and that the accessories are not done to failure, and we are talking about easily doubling the total volume with a hypertrophy based workout where most of the sets are performed very heavy for their rep ranges. So that is a lot more stress on the connective tissue. It is digging a deeper hole.
The bottom line is that with age volume, and frequency have to be adjusted to allow for recovery ability. To keep strength training in the picture some of the volume has to come down in the accessories to have a healthy balance. To push the volume, you want to do less strength focused work to have a healthy balance. Heavy lifting unless having true traumatic injuries is excellent for you and stimulates your connective tissue.
My joints have been healthier the last 2 years where I have been focusing on strength, and using accessories to get some of the volume for growth but the accessories are never pushed to failure, and typically don't go over an RPE8 on them.
By the way the reason older people need more time to recover is that we produce less collagen. It is typically not the muscle healing that is a problem for us. Instead it is a slower recovery process in the connective tissue due to less collagen. This is why older guys on HGH do very well the HGH increases the collagen. It is the natural drop in GH that causes the drop in collagen production. So there is an extremely logical reason why frequency has to be adjusted for older guys working in the upper ends of their strength curves.
Getting older doesn't mean you can't lift heavy anymore. It means if you want to that you need to be smarter about it. However believing that a hypertrophy based workout will limit injury is also wrong unless you are just going through the motions and doing pump work. It is best to rotate the goals around a bit. Only buckling down on one facet or the other when you have a goal that requires that level of specificity.
Also the mention that push exercises might cause more injury due to the reversal of direction at the bottom of the movement being compared to throwing something up and decellerating it when you catch it is a great theory but only holds water for someone who is actually throwing the barbell and catching it. There are no sheer forces, or violent changes of direction in controlled lifting. You can perform a rep like that intentionally yes but that is sloppy lifting. Now you can use the stretch reflex to get more oomph an explosiveness out of the bottom. However that is often done by advanced trainees, and most new guys don't understand or no how to perform that properly unless shown. Either way though a controlled press is never going to produce the drop and catch level of impact referred to. Even during explosive reps like say doing 135 on bench as fast as possible, you still have to decellerate it at the top to stop it. Then it should be lowered under control.
Now on to the Form Nazis - here is the most important thing you need to know about form. STAY TIGHT! That is it. Thats the end of the form lecture!
No really, natural movement is not linear or perfect. There are some definite no-nos out there for certain exercises. However there are entirely too many variables in the human skeletal anatomy to say this is the optimal form for everyone. Also if you only ever train in perfect angles you tend to injure yourself in regular life when you have to suddenly be explosive, or strong in a position your body is not used to doing so with. The bottom line is when you lift you need to stay tight everywhere. You should be engaged completely and if you are then you are not likely to get injured.
Again let me reiterate this especially for anyone who learned a lot in the 90's or early 2000's when EVERYONE WAS A FORM NAZI! That was when all the PT Certs started telling people to only bench to 3-4 inches of the chest, or don't protract your scapula at the top of a pull up or pull down. All kind of things limiting compound movements trying to isolate certain muscles, effectively negating the purpose of doing compound movements in the first place. It all just went haywire and so many people are still stuck on that information. However the reality of it is that setting up properly, getting tight and staying tight are the most important parts of what people call "form". If you stay tight then you are protecting everything as much as possible.
You need to train in and be strong in all angles and directions. You should train with odd objects, and sometimes even intentionally offset weights. You want to remain injury free you need to make sure you are strong everywhere, every angle and every direction.
As far as training to failure and keeping form, that is not possible. If you train to concentric failure you will indeed lose form. Failing on the final rep is breaking form. It was not done to complete ROM and that is not proper form unless partials were intended for the last rep.
I am sure there was more but I love the fact there is so much thought being put into things in here.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Wow, and you held back! I think you and I would have some good debates in person...we think a lot alike, but some real minor differences that I personally love because it makes me think and look at new angles. Really great post.
MrKleen73
Legend
Thanks Brother. I love your posts too because there is a lot of thought put into them and you try to put pieces together to make sense out of them. You use logic to try to put different information together and come up with some excellent bro-logic mixed in with science. In all honesty in that aspect you remind me a lot of me. I was exactly where you are a few years back very knowledgeable and smart enough to put many things and thought processes together. However I didn't quite have all the information and some of the conclusions I came to were wrong even though they sounded perfectly logical to me and anyone I spoke to that actually did not know better than me.
It was an extremely knowledgeable guy talking to me like I am talking with you that made me learn more and go out and research and study that much more. I wanted to know why he felt that way and why he was so sure. The more I learned the more i questioned, the more I questioned the more I learned. I ended up teaching him a few things too in the end. I have a coach like that now and it is awesome to have someone who can make me feel humble in my level of knowledge. Not saying I humble you that is not the intent of what I am saying by the way. Just saying that it is an awesome feeling to have someone you can bounce things off of that has enough knowledge to make you feel humble. Feeling humble made me that more motivated to learn more. You definitely have a mind for this stuff, and I plan on watching you grow as you accumulate more and more knowledge.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Yeah, it's great to have people like you and hairygrandpa and others on here who will kick around ideas with me, even when I'm wrong and won't admit it
But I don't care about agreeing all the time, just learning different things - then when a situation arises I can step back and say, "OK, what I'm doing isn't working, my theory isn't working, what would HGP do? What would MrKleen73 do? (and the list goes on, it'd be endless)". Then I can try something new and think, "F#ck. Do I have to tell them they were right?"
Famine
Member
So this is from a couple of pages back, but I just caught it...
What the heck?!?! We're all talking about the body not healing as fast when you get older, I post a similar statement, and I get called out??? Dudes, where's the love? Yeah, I'm stronger now too...
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hairygrandpa
Legend
I'm back!
All went smooth, could do all the business stuff I had to do.
Did not go to the theme parks, did some shopping and recreation instead.
Found a new obsession, THIS:
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The cherry cola and the root beer are awesome!!!
I even raped daily the hotel gym:
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And after that the kids playground:
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While doing a selfie at the beach I noted a disturbing resemblance :
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Gained 3 pounds (damn beer and cherry cola) but I'm not sure it's all fat.
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All went smooth, could do all the business stuff I had to do.
Did not go to the theme parks, did some shopping and recreation instead.
Found a new obsession, THIS:
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The cherry cola and the root beer are awesome!!!
I even raped daily the hotel gym:
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And after that the kids playground:
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While doing a selfie at the beach I noted a disturbing resemblance :
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Gained 3 pounds (damn beer and cherry cola) but I'm not sure it's all fat.
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Brandinooooo
Well-known member
mmorso
Well-known member
Hell yeah welcome back... you've missed a lot of perversion my friend.. especially on Brandinooooo's log.
bighulksmash
Legend
hairygrandpa man im glad your back . Missed u bro !
SFreed
Board Supporter
Man I'm glad you're back hairygrandpa! We were afraid you got put in jail for wearing a speedo while fondling Disney characters! And you did indeed miss a lot of shenanigans. I'm guessing it'll be mid week before you get caught up
bighulksmash
Legend
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Tank999
Well-known member
Wave ya hands, wave ya hands in da air
Wave ya hands cause grandpa's here!
Welcome home hairygrandpa !
Wave ya hands cause grandpa's here!
Welcome home hairygrandpa !
bighulksmash
Legend
Smokey da bear
ryane87
Well-known member
Goddammit, what the fck is that?
Brandinooooo
Well-known member
Hahahaha
bighulksmash
Legend
Popin gangnam style ....
kenpoengineer
Well-known member
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FireTitan
Legend
hairygrandpa Its good to have you back!!!!!!
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Welcome back hairygrandpa - this place isn't the same without you. Looks like you had fun. Too bad you got fat again.
Just kidding - 3 pounds is all you gained? That's like, a cheat meal. I mean, a couple of root beers and a cherry cola and you probably gained a couple pounds right there.
Just kidding - 3 pounds is all you gained? That's like, a cheat meal. I mean, a couple of root beers and a cherry cola and you probably gained a couple pounds right there.
bighulksmash
Legend
hairygrandpa did you do the fandango?
Studhorse
Legend
HGP is back in the house! the AA world have realined. hairygrandpa
hairygrandpa
Legend
Never stay away from the AM forum for longer than 2 days.
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I decided to skip the lost posts on the subscribed threats to keep up, sorry guys.
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I decided to skip the lost posts on the subscribed threats to keep up, sorry guys.
Brandinooooo
Well-known member
All good. I have like 120+ after only 5 or 6 hours and I do the same thing.
thebigt
Legend
even evelyn woods sped reddin course wouldn't help.......
bighulksmash
Legend
Looks like me aftee hitting osamas opium shed.
RegisterJr
Legend
Looking swole Hairy.
I like that root beer. Its a little sweet... but i guess it has to be. I'll keep an eye out for that cherry.
I like that root beer. Its a little sweet... but i guess it has to be. I'll keep an eye out for that cherry.
SFreed
Board Supporter
I can probably hit the highlights for you; bighulksmash is running a cycle that would kill a lesser man, Brandinooooo is eatin 4500 kcals a day and gained 3 pounds, FireTitan is still going strong and killin it in the gym, and we all discovered the joys of fat girls.
Did I leave anything out guys??
FireTitan
Legend
We missed HG and would like to see him in the BPS week 3 challenge?
Brandinooooo
Well-known member
LOL yeah that's about it. Fat girls
Brandinooooo
Well-known member
Challenge!!!!!
hairygrandpa
Legend
Thanks bro! I bought the cherry cola for my wife but ended up drinking her stash. Both are awesome.
Luckily I can't get any of that here, I would get fat like HIT4ME on this stuff.
FireTitan
Legend
Low blow HG!!
hairygrandpa
Legend
Hahaha! bighulksmash being on a cycle reserved for Rhinos and Water buffalo is nothing new. After dating vegan girls, Brandinooooo has a tapeworm infection. FireTitan is the "reverse Samson" of the bible, lesser hair = more the strength.
What I don't get is the new obsession with fat chicks.
Pros:
-they don't cheat on you (nobody wants them)
-keep you warm and moist in winter
-may give shade in summer
-die quick, you can collect on the life insurance
Cons:
-they are always bulking, no food for you in fridge
-you need 4-5 dozen cloth clips for sex (to hold the fat around the entrance up)
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bighulksmash
Legend
I hope your vacation was good now I get to beat you with the broomstick
bighulksmash
Legend
Did you seriously go anywhere nice? Who the **** takes a vacation in November?