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Lol, you do your thing. When you see results from less, it's gonna be hard to go back. Eventually, you will let go of the belief that more work = harder work = better results and you will see that the truth is, you can work hard, or you can work long - but you cannot do both.
 
Lol, you do your thing. When you see results from less, it's gonna be hard to go back. Eventually, you will let go of the belief that more work = harder work = better results and you will see that the truth is, you can work hard, or you can work long - but you cannot do both.

I already planned to do longer rest periods following your argumentation, I'm on the right path ;) do not forget I'm on juice.
 
I already planned to do longer rest periods following your argumentation, I'm on the right path ;) do not forget I'm on juice.

I love it when a plan comes together. Haha
 
Nice. I use full body lifts when recomping or trying burn some fat. HST or Hypertrophy Specific Training is a great program for that philosophy if you have never tried it.
 
Oh and the cycle looks good HGP. The MK can make you hungry but you could run it nicely at 20 without to much issue. Hunger is not an issue when it comes to burning fat. Giving into it is the issue. :) you can hold out for two weeks at a time.
 
Nice. I use full body lifts when recomping or trying burn some fat. HST or Hypertrophy Specific Training is a great program for that philosophy if you have never tried it.
HST is great, is it any good to do when enhanced?
 
Probably just go every other day instead of the usual 3-4 day a week split IMO.
 
HST is great, is it any good to do when enhanced?

It is good for anything BUT the 7-10 days of deconditioning is also important to it so if you can't go through that you really will not see the true benefits of the program. I mean you will still get good results but the deconditioning is what makes you grow in the higher rep lower weight phases. It is a VERY sound progressive loading program!!!! You will gain both size and strength with it. I ran it for 18 months with pretty steady progress.
 
It is good for anything BUT the 7-10 days of deconditioning is also important to it so if you can't go through that you really will not see the true benefits of the program. I mean you will still get good results but the deconditioning is what makes you grow in the higher rep lower weight phases. It is a VERY sound progressive loading program!!!! You will gain both size and strength with it. I ran it for 18 months with pretty steady progress.
The way you look I'm taking this as gospel... Think I should do it the first 4 weeks in cycle or the final? I plan on just doing full body every other day seeing as how my recovery time should on point.
 
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Nice. I use full body lifts when recomping or trying burn some fat. HST or Hypertrophy Specific Training is a great program for that philosophy if you have never tried it.

Been loving the HST for over 3 years now! only takes 3 days a week. you can throw in a cardio day or 2 on off days if you want to be aggressive on cutting but some don't recommend it. Note: They are time consuming when you get out of the first 2 weeks. (I currently use 16 exercises now that I have tweaked it to hit my lagging body parts a bit harder. (Note: with my bad shoulder I never go under 10 reps)
Only done HST natural don't know about AAS.

Its also a great workout to make sure you don't over train. If you do it correct your numbers will let you know when its time to de-condition.
 
Right know gathering info's on HST.
As "rest pause sets" made me progress fast, here is what I think I will do to combine the best of both routines:

- full body 3 days / week
-1 set per exercise (min.10 reps to failure) +1 rest pause set (10 sec. pause) / 3 exercises per muscle group
-lagging muscles 1 set + 2 rest pause sets (traps, side delts, calfs)
-upping weights little by little as time goes by

I still have to read about the deconditioning to understand it fully and do it right.
My overall feeling is, that HST is way to easy, I mean the volume seems low, it's like becoming lazy...
 
Right know gathering info's on HST.
As "rest pause sets" made me progress fast, here is what I think I will do to combine the best of both routines:

- full body 3 days / week
-1 set per exercise (min.10 reps to failure) +1 rest pause set (10 sec. pause) / 3 exercises per muscle group
-lagging muscles 1 set + 2 rest pause sets (traps, side delts, calfs)
-upping weights little by little as time goes by

I still have to read about the deconditioning to understand it fully and do it right.
My overall feeling is, that HST is way to easy, I mean the volume seems low, it's like becoming lazy...
That's the problem I have with it, will need to tweak it some as I want more upper chest, rear/middle delt than anything.
 
Right know gathering info's on HST.
As "rest pause sets" made me progress fast, here is what I think I will do to combine the best of both routines:

- full body 3 days / week
-1 set per exercise (min.10 reps to failure) +1 rest pause set (10 sec. pause) / 3 exercises per muscle group
-lagging muscles 1 set + 2 rest pause sets (traps, side delts, calfs)
-upping weights little by little as time goes by

I still have to read about the deconditioning to understand it fully and do it right.
My overall feeling is, that HST is way to easy, I mean the volume seems low, it's like becoming lazy...

HGP - trust me when I say I appreciate what you're trying to do. I have been doing this now for just a few days and I tried tweaking the workout a little to fill in some blank spots I thought I saw. The first workout was really hard to finish and I wasn't hitting the 15 reps and I was barely going to failure on anything, and second workout I was doing better but felt like puking after I was done. Third workout tonight. It's harder than it sounds in my experience. Rest/Pause may have a place in it, but not off the bat. The idea isn't to kill the muscle every workout, it's to create a chronic stimulus but still allow for recovery. If you crush your muscle, you won't be recovered in 2 days to do it again.
 
That's the problem I have with it, will need to tweak it some as I want more upper chest, rear/middle delt than anything.

Give 1-2 sets of rest pause a try, worked awesome for me like:
Seated DB rear delt rises:
2x40lbs x 12 /10 sec. pause x 8 /10 sec. pause x5

I do them feroce stile:
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Give 1-2 sets of rest pause a try, worked awesome for me like:
Seated DB rear delt rises:
2x40lbs x 12 /10 sec. pause x 8 /10 sec. pause x5

I do them feroce stile:
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Thank you sir!!!
 
HGP - trust me when I say I appreciate what you're trying to do. I have been doing this now for just a few days and I tried tweaking the workout a little to fill in some blank spots I thought I saw. The first workout was really hard to finish and I wasn't hitting the 15 reps and I was barely going to failure on anything, and second workout I was doing better but felt like puking after I was done. Third workout tonight. It's harder than it sounds in my experience. Rest/Pause may have a place in it, but not off the bat. The idea isn't to kill the muscle every workout, it's to create a chronic stimulus but still allow for recovery. If you crush your muscle, you won't be recovered in 2 days to do it again.

I understand the logic behind and already think you are right. I'm on juice, remember I can push it a bit further because of increased protein synthesis and shortened recuperation time.
 
I understand the logic behind and already think you are right. I'm on juice, remember I can push it a bit further because of increased protein synthesis and shortened recuperation time.

True, wasn't thinking that. Plus, you're used to the higher volume so it may not be as hard for you. It IS an adjustment for me to do full body. I'm just warning you, first workout - just get through it and see how it goes, then add in the R/P as you see fit. If you can add that shizzle in from the beginning, you're more man than I am. haha.
 
True, wasn't thinking that. Plus, you're used to the higher volume so it may not be as hard for you. It IS an adjustment for me to do full body. I'm just warning you, first workout - just get through it and see how it goes, then add in the R/P as you see fit. If you can add that shizzle in from the beginning, you're more man than I am. haha.

I will do it from the beginning, no biggie, because I love doing it this way. The day you are going for a bulk with some PH -or AAS help, you will love R/P to!
 
If standard HST isn't enough stimulus then incorporate myo reps but in saying that when I used myo reps I did burn out quite quickly.
 
If standard HST isn't enough stimulus then incorporate myo reps but in saying that when I used myo reps I did burn out quite quickly.

Damnit!
I googled "myo reps" thinking of a quick explanation to it, LMAO
Here what I found.

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Man, I wish studying exercise regimes would build muscle! After finishing this read I'll do an off-day.
 
It really is quite simple to set up once you understand the overall programme.

Still can't wrap my head around it:

I've implemented a fatigue-stop method akin to Mike T in his RTS system (he uses a % table) where you use RPE and rep speed to determine how to continue the set. So for example:

10 reps (activation) + 10sec rest, 3 reps + 10 sec rest, 3 reps (third rep slow and grindy) this is Fatigue Stop 1 (FS1)

now... + 20sec rest, 2 reps (so - longer rest and less reps) + 20sec rest, 2 reps etc until 2nd rep slow and grindy - you've reached Fatigue Stop 2 (FS2) so STOP.

At heavier loads, you switch to lighter loads at FS1, as mentioned.

This will auto-regulate your volume, moreso limiting it when your recuperative abilities are limited as I do not recommend going beyond a pre-determined volume by more than 40-50%.

Am I to old to understand it?
It seems like rest pause sets but extending the rest time while DOING LESS REPS when longer pauses done?

Pulling my hair out here, wait, I noticed I don't have any hair.
 
Really?! We need puters and apps and whatnot to tell us how to lift?! Lift. Add weight or reps or both. Eat stuff. Get some rest. Repeat. No good? Lol
 
Really?! We need puters and apps and whatnot to tell us how to lift?! Lift. Add weight or reps or both. Eat stuff. Get some rest. Repeat. No good? Lol

Thank you mickc1965 , when HST+R/P gets boring, I will investigate myo reps again, for me it looks to advanced. I'm an old fugger. Teaching new tricks to old dogs applies here, LOL.

I guess I will stick to plan A for now:
HST + RP sets
To do it right I have already to take notes of every workout, will not complicate it for me any further.
 
I'm going to get flamed for this but bodybuilding.com has a great app where you can select a workout plan and it tells you and tracks reps, sets, weights, and gives you overall numbers each workout to show if you improved...

Only thing is, last time I checked no HST trainer lol
 
I'm going to get flamed for this but bodybuilding.com has a great app where you can select a workout plan and it tells you and tracks reps, sets, weights, and gives you overall numbers each workout to show if you improved...

Only thing is, last time I checked no HST trainer lol

I understand that there was an app on Android for HST but I am not sure if it is still available but there has never been an app for iPhone.
 
I understand that there was an app on Android for HST but I am not sure if it is still available but there has never been an app for iPhone.
There is but you have to manually enter everything your doing in it, not very user friendly... Better than nothing, cause there literally is no other app that I found lol
 
I'm going to get flamed for this but bodybuilding.com has a great app where you can select a workout plan and it tells you and tracks reps, sets, weights, and gives you overall numbers each workout to show if you improved...

Only thing is, last time I checked no HST trainer lol

Awesome! Will download it right away! joking here

Look what kind of smartphone I have:

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Hehehe, I'm old fashioned and still think a phone is to make phone calls, and a camera is to take pictures. Will use a pen and a notebook.
 
Awesome! Will download it right away! joking here

Look what kind of smartphone I have:

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Hehehe, I'm old fashioned and still think a phone is to make phone calls, and a camera is to take pictures. Will use a pen and a notebook.
Bill Gates over here lol

This is the HST app
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Awesome! Will download it right away! joking here

Look what kind of smartphone I have:

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Hehehe, I'm old fashioned and still think a phone is to make phone calls, and a camera is to take pictures. Will use a pen and a notebook.

Luvvvv it! I have a smartphone, but I've been using index cards to keep track. People keep telling me to "upgrade"! Lmfao!
 
I'm going to get flamed for this but bodybuilding.com has a great app where you can select a workout plan and it tells you and tracks reps, sets, weights, and gives you overall numbers each workout to show if you improved...

Only thing is, last time I checked no HST trainer lol
It's a good start template for HST. I saved it in excel template and modified it over the years. I read the HST book like 3+ years ago and the funny thing as I read it I was thinking what a pu**y workout and then it tells you that I know you're thinking this is for wimps. I have had great results over the years with HST and what I like best is when you chart your weights and reps it holds you accountable to get better every workout.
 
That's my app:

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Does not need batteries, shock resistant, cheap. :)
 
It's a good start template for HST. I saved it in excel template and modified it over the years. I read the HST book like 3+ years ago and the funny thing as I read it I was thinking what a pu**y workout and then it tells you that I know you're thinking this is for wimps. I have had great results over the years with HST and what I like best is when you chart your weights and reps it holds you accountable to get better every workout.

Will definitely go with HST, today I did some back- and rear delt exercises, pullover too , trying to find my 10 rep max weight. Even though I had a lot of time off due to the injury a month ago, I have not lost strength.

But I gained a few pounds, damn it.
 
Take care of that shoulder. You don't have to work up to 5 reps. I do 20 reps / 2sets for 2 weeks, 15 reps / 3sets for 2weeks, 12 reps / 3sets for 2weeks, 1 week of negatives, 1week of drop sets. By then it's time to de-condition for 9-12 days.
 
Take care of that shoulder. You don't have to work up to 5 reps. I do 20 reps / 2sets for 2 weeks, 15 reps / 3sets for 2weeks, 12 reps / 3sets for 2weeks, 1 week of negatives, 1week of drop sets. By then it's time to de-condition for 9-12 days.

Ah, that is good news for my joints, as I thought it's crucial to do 10 reps. Will follow your advise and go with at least 15 reps.
Thanks bro.
 
That's my app:

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Does not need batteries, shock resistant, cheap. :)

But not sweat resistant. It wouldn't last the week with me.
 
Ah, that is good news for my joints, as I thought it's crucial to do 10 reps. Will follow your advise and go with at least 15 reps.
Thanks bro.

This is why I modified it. Its my old worn out joints version of HST! Had to give up on the heavy phase a few years ago.
 
The way you look I'm taking this as gospel... Think I should do it the first 4 weeks in cycle or the final? I plan on just doing full body every other day seeing as how my recovery time should on point.
The entire time honestly. When are you starting your cycle? If a couple weeks away take your deload 9-12 days before you start your cycle then run it all the way through. That way you have gear gains off of previously hit numbers. Remember on thing with HST is it is more about how many chances you give the muscle to adapt. It is NEVER about lifting the most weight as quickly as possible. The more small increases the more chances to stimulate adaptation, AKA Hypertrophy. Ride the wave of anabolics but keep in mind just because you could make a 10lb jump on bench in that rep range doesn't mean you should. With hypertrophy in mind it would be better to do that in 2 weight increases so each one creates a need for adaptation.
Right know gathering info's on HST.
As "rest pause sets" made me progress fast, here is what I think I will do to combine the best of both routines:

- full body 3 days / week
-1 set per exercise (min.10 reps to failure) +1 rest pause set (10 sec. pause) / 3 exercises per muscle group
-lagging muscles 1 set + 2 rest pause sets (traps, side delts, calfs)
-upping weights little by little as time goes by

I still have to read about the deconditioning to understand it fully and do it right.
My overall feeling is, that HST is way to easy, I mean the volume seems low, it's like becoming lazy...
When I did it I did it with 2 working sets which is what the original deal was 1-2 sets per body part. You could move up to 3 on the 5s if you wanted. I never did though. With 2 sets it is far from an easy workout. You could add in the RP sets since on the gear probably won't hurt you at all.
That's the problem I have with it, will need to tweak it some as I want more upper chest, rear/middle delt than anything.
I think you are wrong. Choose your exercise selection appropriately and follow the program as it says for your first 1-2 cycles of it. YOu want upper chest, mid delt and rear delt focus it is quite simple. Do these exercises for choices. Chest - 45 degree Incline Bench, Shoulders - Side raises, Back thickness - Wide grip Bent over rows to the Xyphoid process. Now you are focusing on all of your weak areas without adding a bunch of extraneous bullsh1t to a very streamlined program. Yet still getting plenty of work on the main muscles.

Give 1-2 sets of rest pause a try, worked awesome for me like:
Seated DB rear delt rises:
2x40lbs x 12 /10 sec. pause x 8 /10 sec. pause x5

I do them feroce stile:
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Going to go watch that shortly. .
I will do it from the beginning, no biggie, because I love doing it this way. The day you are going for a bulk with some PH -or AAS help, you will love R/P to!
RP's are great and I won't try and talk you out of them. However you basically spend 2 weeks in each rep range, to keep with the science of progression you might opt to do the RP sets on the 2nd week of each rep scheme to as a way of stepping up the intensity more

If standard HST isn't enough stimulus then incorporate myo reps but in saying that when I used myo reps I did burn out quite quickly.
Yeah because you get so many more "effective reps" with it.
Damnit!
I googled "myo reps" thinking of a quick explanation to it, LMAO
Here what I found.

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Man, I wish studying exercise regimes would build muscle! After finishing this read I'll do an off-day.

MyoReps is like DC training's more refined younger brother.

Still can't wrap my head around it:


Am I to old to understand it?
It seems like rest pause sets but extending the rest time while DOING LESS REPS when longer pauses done?

Pulling my hair out here, wait, I noticed I don't have any hair.

Think of it in DC training mindset. They are almost exactly the same in reality. A minor tweak. You still do your RP sets, but you stop just a tiny bit shy of failure on them. However you end up doing more RP sets because you keep going until you fail. What it does is increase the total number of "effective" reps you are able to do in a workout. In both DC and MyoReps the effective reps are those hard ones when it starts to slow down. With Myo Reps the intensity is a little lower on the myo sets but you end up increasing the total amount of effective reps, or reps that require and stimulate adaptation.

For hypertrophy the MyoReps are going to be a little more effective than the DC training, but for pure strength DC is going to be the way to go.

When you are ready for myoreps I built a very nice little program from it and used it for a while and enjoyed it quite a bit. Hit me up if interested and i will see if I can find it.

Thank you mickc1965 , when HST+R/P gets boring, I will investigate myo reps again, for me it looks to advanced. I'm an old fugger. Teaching new tricks to old dogs applies here, LOL.

I guess I will stick to plan A for now:
HST + RP sets
To do it right I have already to take notes of every workout, will not complicate it for me any further.
There is a calculator somewhere that will program all of your weights off of your rep maxes. I used to use it all the time. I just printed out the sheet and took it with me and followed it to a T. There is no real concern about missing any reps until maybe the last or 2nd to last workout in a rep range. It is just programmed that way. So not really much to take not of other than things you would take note of for any workout.
I'm going to get flamed for this but bodybuilding.com has a great app where you can select a workout plan and it tells you and tracks reps, sets, weights, and gives you overall numbers each workout to show if you improved...

Only thing is, last time I checked no HST trainer lol
So does JeFit I really don't like fumbling with my phone much when lifting though. Right now it is a pain in the ass recording every working set for my coach. LOL

There is but you have to manually enter everything your doing in it, not very user friendly... Better than nothing, cause there literally is no other app that I found lol
I think there is an XLS file that calculates it for you already out there to be honest. I used it when I ran it.

This is why I modified it. Its my old worn out joints version of HST! Had to give up on the heavy phase a few years ago.
Yeah your personal recovery ability is definitely something that has to be modified as you get older.
 
MrKleen73 hairygrandpa sparks2012

I've converted sparks2012, I've got HGP to try something new, and now MrKleen73 is cleaning up the mess I made. Funny how suddenly my posts can be shorter since MrKleen73 showed up. He pretty much said it all. I'm just going to sit here and twiddle my thumbs :)
 
MrKleen73 , thank you for your insight! HIT4ME did already the pre-work, talking me into lowering volume and going more HST style, thank you bro!

MrKleen73, should I do the HST on my upcoming cut, I guess that strength will rather decline after a week and the regime is more suited for a bulk?
 
MrKleen73 , thank you for your insight! HIT4ME did already the pre-work, talking me into lowering volume and going more HST style, thank you bro!

MrKleen73, should I do the HST on my upcoming cut, I guess that strength will rather decline after a week and the regime is more suited for a bulk?

Obviously it wont be a mass gainer during your cut. However the full body workouts will burn a lot of fat and energy while also following a prescribed increase in overall weight. Since you know you are going to go into a major cut maybe take off a little weight from your 10 rep max for the programming.
The continuous weight progression will still help with adding / keeping muscle.

The idea of the 9-12 days of deconditioning is enough to create some soreness and doms at a much lower percentage of your max for those rep ranges. Because you can ride that slow wave with very small increases each time you perform a lift again you can make gains or tell your body to do it's best with the nutrition you are giving it. So a well planned out weight progression will carry you through still telling the body to adapt. So you may only lose tiny but of muscle if any at all and being on anabolics depending on how efficient your body is at building muscle and burning fat you could still actually increase LBM slightly although it is unlikely with the massive caloric deficit you plan on being in. However it is definitely a very sound choice for a program with what you are doing.

In otherwords you don't actually have to get stronger each week, you just have to lift more. In your case you will find that with DB and other movements you may have to stay at the same weight for 2 turns then go up in order to stretch the adaptation out throughout the HST cycle. I will look on my hard drive at home and see if I can't find you that copy of the HST Calculator spreadsheet to make the actual set up easier.
 
MrKleen73 , thank you for your insight! HIT4ME did already the pre-work, talking me into lowering volume and going more HST style, thank you bro!

MrKleen73, should I do the HST on my upcoming cut, I guess that strength will rather decline after a week and the regime is more suited for a bulk?

On the other hand, you got me to try something new with HST too. It's common ground I guess. I think you're going to be surprised by it. It seems like it will be easy, but 15 reps feels so much different than 8 reps to failure, and doing full body really makes things more painful than you'd expect, haaha. You're gonna luv it.
 
Convert me to cross fit n my trainer will hang me by da balls

I won't ever try to change you brother! You're just ...you're just the way you are :)
 
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