Hair Loss Prevention

[BigVrunga]

God you guys!

Minoxidil and Finasteride are two totally different things!

Minoxidil does in fact only work on crown hair.

Finasteride is effective throughout your scalp (and body), as a systemic DHT blocker.

Ummm...thanks for the info. But I think they've got that part figured out. They're questioning the ability of finasteride vs minoxidil to *regrow* hair. They know what finasteride is.

Read the 1st post in this thread, it explains a lot.

Additionally, Fina protects the Prostate, which IMO is MORE IMPORTANT than your hair...many, many men die of prostate cancer...haven't heard of any to die of baldness yet.

You are correct, and that is a very good point.

BV

 

[BigVrunga]

Minoxidil and Finasteride are two totally different things!

Minoxidil does in fact only work on crown hair.

Minoxidil will help regrow hair at the front of the head. It often takes a higher concentration - or the use of 5% minoxidil solution in conjunction with a DHT blocker. This is one reason why topical Azelaic acid/Minox solutions are effective. And why minoxidil/Azelaic acid in combination with finasteride is even more effective. And why minoxidil + azelaic acid + finasteride + nizoral + LLLT is even more effective.

The more successfully you can block DHT at the scalp, and the more you can successfuly encourage hair regrowth, the more successful you will be at keeping your hair, or possibly reversing MPB.

There is probably more to it than that, but from all the research Ive read, that's the most concise way to summarize it.

Minoxidil - hair regrowth stimulant
LLLT - hair regrowth stimulant
Ketoconazole - topical DHT blocker/penetration enhancer
Azelaic Acid - topical DHT blocker
Finasteride - lowers systemic DHT via 5AR inhibition.

BV

 

[Siznoyton]

Ummm...thanks for the info. But I think they've got that part figured out. They're questioning the ability of finasteride vs minoxidil to *regrow* hair. They know what finasteride is.

Read the 1st post in this thread, it explains a lot.

BV

Cool...not to split hairs (oh....the pun), but the thread is indeed titled "Hair Loss Prevention," of which, Minoxidil is a tool for discussion (esp. when loss has occurred), but not at all what the average BBr uses to "prevent" loss from an average cycle...which is what these guys in the last couple pages are talking about (save the poster with photos). As you've clearly pointed out (thanks for this thread, BTW), Minoxidil is for people who have lost hair...I don't think you'd recommend it for the average BBr who ISN'T shedding as an on-cycle prevention, would you? Topical and then systemic DHT blockers are always the the first two punches...that and the LLLT comb.

I read all of their posts, and I don't think they did know the difference, or else I wouldn't have posted. The only time people say "crown only growth" and "fina" in the same sentence is when they are confusing it with Minoxidil.

 

[BigVrunga]

Cool...not to split hairs

Nice one...

(oh....the pun), but the thread is indeed titled "Hair Loss Prevention," of which, Minoxidil is a tool for discussion (esp. when loss has occurred), but not at all what the average BBr uses to "prevent" loss from an average cycle...which is what these guys in the last couple pages are talking about (save the poster with photos). As you've clearly pointed out (thanks for this thread, BTW), Minoxidil is for people who have lost hair...I don't think you'd recommend it for the average BBr who ISN'T shedding as an on-cycle prevention, would you? Topical and then systemic DHT blockers are always the the first two punches...that and the LLLT comb.

No, you're absolutely right. A bodybuilder on cycle should be employing DHT/and possibly topical androgen inhibitors (like Spiro) to PREVENT hair loss on cycle. Minioxidil is a hair growth *stimulant* it doesnt do anything to prevent the cause of hair loss...this is why minox+finasteride is over 2x as effective as either treatment alone in *regrowing* hair.

To keep in mind though - if you're going to lose hair on a cycle, then you're probably prone to androgen-induced hair loss, and will probably start losing hait at some point down the line.

So keep that minoxidil handy But you're right - minoxidil should always be your last step, as its a *permanent* solution to treat the symptoms of MPB.

For someone with a good head of hair, minoxidil shoudn't be employed in an effort to prevent hair loss, only as a means to stimulate growth for a person who is noticing the effects of MPB.


BV

 

[Nomen]

BV and co, I havent read all posts though from what I have, it seems like non has mentioned the anti androgen called RU 58841 supposed to be the best of the anti androgens ever made. Whats even greater its a non steriodalstructure drug which makes it legal in my contry. And its not suppose to have systemic effects like spiro which can lower your test levels. The BIG down side though is, it has for reasons that Iam not aware of, been approved by the FDA. And because of that its not easy to get your hands on!

Great article. Hair stacks etc adding RU 58841, Folligen!
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Facts/myths DHT:
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By the way in the articel their is also stated that hairloss as we discussed earlier is due to DHT blocking nutrient as I understand but the main cause seems to be that androgens such as DHT triggers a signal at hair follics and the body immun system starts repelling the hair. Read the article to find out more!

"What appears to be the ultimate cause of hair loss for most people is an auto immune response where the body actually attacks the hair follicle like some kind of foreign invader thus causing an inflammatory response.....

.....And, it has been found that the immune system suppressing drug which is used to stop the organ rejection (Cyclosporine) grows hair like crazy because it shuts down the immune response in the body. A cure you say? NO!"

Too bad though proving its the immune system!

 

[BigVrunga]

BV and co, I havent read all posts though from what I have, it seems like non has mentioned the anti androgen called RU 58841 supposed to be the best of the anti androgens ever made. Whats even greater its a non steriodalstructure drug which makes it legal in my contry. And its not suppose to have systemic effects like spiro which can lower your test levels. The BIG down side though is, it has for reasons that Iam not aware of, been approved by the FDA. And because of that its not easy to get your hands on!

Hi Nomen, thanks for the post!! Yeah, RU58841 was mentioned somewhere in this thread - it does seem promising I wonder why it hasnt been brought to market.

Good read on the pro-DHT article, and I agree. Its scary that some people want to inhibit all the DHT in their body in an effort to save their hair - its there for a reason!!

BV

 

[Malek256]

FYI - Minoxidil definitely causes hair regrowth anywhere it is used on the scalp, however since the original studies only achieved completeness for submission when studying crown hair loss, the FDA only allowed the claim for crown hair. Thus, the statement on the package.

There are other studies done by independents showing temple and front hair regrowth by Minoxidil.

 

[BigVrunga]

FYI - Minoxidil definitely causes hair regrowth anywhere it is used on the scalp, however since the original studies only achieved completeness for submission when studying crown hair loss, the FDA only allowed the claim for crown hair. Thus, the statement on the package.

There are other studies done by independents showing temple and front hair regrowth by Minoxidil.

I am living proof

 

[Nomen]

Hi Nomen, thanks for the post!! Yeah, RU58841 was mentioned somewhere in this thread - it does seem promising I wonder why it hasnt been brought to market.

BV

Guess the research has been abandonded. But I have heard that something called PSK3841 is supposed to be the same thing. Their website: Invalid Link Removed. PSK3841 undergoes phase II studies.

 

[Cardinal]

Random question,

What is the cheapest source of spironolactone out there? If it works for me I am going to need to stock up in a big way. I used to get mine from custom but I couldn't find it on his site.

He was my source for AA as well. I guess I am going to need to do some looking.

 

[BigVrunga]

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[Nomen]

Quick questions. Has Invalid Link Removed stoped with the azelaic acid solution cant add that to my shopping chart since its not displayed their for some reason?

Which site do u think have has best quality of their products?

 

[BigVrunga]

Quick questions. Has Balding stoped with the azelaic acid solution cant add that to my shopping chart since its not displayed their for some reason?

For the most part, my MPB seems to have stopped and Im regrowing hair. A few months ago I underwent an unexplained 5 weeks of shedding and noticable thinning, but I think it may have been a natural telogen phase. I cant be sure...its stopped and my hair has gotten thicker since then.

Which site do u think have has best quality of their products?

Without a doubt, Invalid Link Removed. Although much more expensive, the Xandrox line is definitely the highest quality. The wwhp stuff works well though. Ive used the 15% Xandrox before, and it seems very effective. I started to regrow hair on the stubborn spots of my scalp that seem more resistant to treatment.

BV

 

[Nomen]

For the most part, my MPB seems to have stopped and Im regrowing hair. A few months ago I underwent an unexplained 5 weeks of shedding and noticable thinning, but I think it may have been a natural telogen phase. I cant be sure...its stopped and my hair has gotten thicker since then.

BV

Thats great news BV congrats Iam happy for you, the effort has payed off.
As for me Iam only on minoxidil and have been for over a year and have experienced some regrow at templates where I have applied. Lots of hair has regrown though not developing to fully grown hair just a small area compared to the templates have regrown to fully grown hair. Soon I will start using the LLLT comb u recommended perhaps those small hair will grow to its full potential! Might even add some spiro and azelaic.

Perhaps I save the spiro for my cycle which I havent decided to do yet since I dont know if I dare cause of possible shedding! Though I imagin it being possible to cycle if taking spiro/azelaic, finastride, minox and do the LLLT like everyday, whats your thoughts on this?

And as for azelaic and minoxidil.com I didnt get your answer the dont have azelaic acid sold sepratly just toghter within xandrox?

 

[Cardinal]

Bigvrunga,

Thank you very much! I am saved.

It could be very premature, but I believe spiro has just stopped all my hair shedding cold and I am currently on 30mg superdrol ed!

If so this is the most effective thing I have ever used! I sincerely hope it also allows me to run testosterone effectively and maybe even my beloved tren.

 

[CEDeoudes59]

Ive used the 15% Xandrox before, and it seems very effective. I started to regrow hair on the stubborn spots of my scalp that seem more resistant to treatment.

BV

it's a good product I'm sure, but it will make existing hair shed like crazy. Haircycle is put into superdrive

 

[CEDeoudes59]

BV and co, I havent read all posts though from what I have, it seems like non has mentioned the anti androgen called RU 58841 supposed to be the best of the anti androgens ever made. Whats even greater its a non steriodalstructure drug which makes it legal in my contry. And its not suppose to have systemic effects like spiro which can lower your test levels. The BIG down side though is, it has for reasons that Iam not aware of, been approved by the FDA. And because of that its not easy to get your hands on!

Great article. Hair stacks etc adding RU 58841, Folligen!
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some random thoughts, not directed at anyone:

Ultimately the solution will be cloning and restoration. The restoration practices today are basically the solution so long at your aren't in the final 2 stages on the Norwood scale.

I still don't like the idea of murdering your body's production of DHT. Is a powerful hormone that is more androgenic than testosterone - it keeps estrogen in check and basically keeps you from becoming a girly man. 1-2.5mg of Finasteride a day won't feminize most males - but I still don't like the idea of eliminating hormones. I like adding super physicological doses of hormones however

careful will the Will Brink stuff. It is often outdated and sometimes I just he is simply wrong.. my opinion though.

 

[BigVrunga]

it's a good product I'm sure, but it will make existing hair shed like crazy. Haircycle is put into superdrive

Good point CEDeoudes -and you're right. Its never recommended to start with the 15% Minox, Id say you should stick with the 5% for at least a year,to see how that works for you.

However, the good thing is, if you do shed like crazy, its a good sign its working for you and you should see significant regrowth with 1-3 months.

BV

 

[CEDeoudes59]

haha yep, scared myself to death - used the 15% on my hairline before the 5%. Hairline dissappeared but came back 6 weeks later. talk about a scare.

finasteride and propecia aren't 'proven' for the hairline. for that there is a doctor thankfully.

honestly with this dermmatch stuff... my hair is/looks thicker than in highschool

 

[BigVrunga]

haha yep, scared myself to death - used the 15% on my hairline before the 5%. Hairline dissappeared but came back 6 weeks later. talk about a scare.

finasteride and propecia aren't 'proven' for the hairline. for that there is a doctor thankfully.

honestly with this dermmatch stuff... my hair is/looks thicker than in highschool

Dermatch? Whats that bro? Do you mean dermal treatments or is dermmatch a brand I havent heard of?

 

[CEDeoudes59]

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it really does an awesome job

 

[John Smeton]

For the most part, my MPB seems to have stopped and Im regrowing hair. A few months ago I underwent an unexplained 5 weeks of shedding and noticable thinning, but I think it may have been a natural telogen phase. I cant be sure...its stopped and my hair has gotten thicker since then.

That could have been what has been happening my hair for the past couple of weeks. Yes i do think your hair goes though falling out. My grandmom has really thick hair and she said hers has been falling out. she said it always happens for her around spring and summer time. Hopefully it was just a telogen phase. A lot more research needs to be done in this area.

 

[mtruther]

I went to Wal-mart today to look at minoixal 5 % (btw they have a new scent out thet looks like it smells nice) AND IT SAID ON THE BOX THE MINOIXAL ONLY WORKS ON THE CROWN. It said if your thinning at the front or have a receding hairline do not buy this(or something to that effect)

Both minoxidil and finasteride will work on a receding hairline--just not as effectively.

The manufacturers can only claim that it works on the crown because that is the FDA test they ran (knowing that they'd get better results and were more likely to be approved). They could go back and claim that the two drugs will also cause growth on the hairline, only they'd have to drop an extra 100+-million dollars to prove it in another round of FDA tests and waste a lot of time.

I've also been using finasteride for 7+ years and have seen no decrease in its performance over time.

 

[Nomen]

Cardinal: I understand shedding for u has stopped thats great. Iam curious, did u shed before u cycled or did it start while you began with roids?

 

[Nomen]

finasteride and propecia aren't 'proven' for the hairline. for that there is a doctor thankfully.

I think finastride has a positive effect on overall hair on the head, though hairline and templas I think are more sensitive on most people. Guess thats why MPB usally occurs/starts there! Perhaps dutastride which inhibits both of the 5ARs might be even better for hairline though killing DHT, which I must agree to, Iam not very fond of!

 

[BigVrunga]

That could have been what has been happening my hair for the past couple of weeks. Yes i do think your hair goes though falling out. My grandmom has really thick hair and she said hers has been falling out. she said it always happens for her around spring and summer time. Hopefully it was just a telogen phase. A lot more research needs to be done in this area.

Your Grandma's probably right Smeton, Ive read that mose shedding phases occur in the spring/early summer. Same for humans as it is for most mammals. We molt

BV

 

[Cardinal]

Cardinal: I understand shedding for u has stopped thats great. Iam curious, did u shed before u cycled or did it start while you began with roids?

Given everything I am using it is tough to pinpoint what is working. I recently started a superdrol cycle. I also started finasteride and spiro on the same day. Within a day or two I noticed a major reduction (not complete stoppage of hair shedding).

I stopped using the spiro because of the smell. And within one week I noticed a big time increase in hair shedding that I assume is SD related. I started reapplying the spiro and I am back to very little shedding.

I have been on minoxidil since 3-20-06 and I did notice a great deal of shedding, possibly a little regrowth, and no loss throughout that timeframe.

I am now shedding less using spiro, fina, AA, minox and SD than I did completely androgen free. That much I am very satisfied with!

Next up is will be the addition of test prop. I am expecting major trouble but will let you guys know. I'll be amazed if I can run it b/c even as little as 100mg ew caused me major shedding/loss.

Edit: I realized I wrote a bunch but didn't answer your question. The only time I shedded in my life noticeably before roids was in early 2004. I was on a very low calorie diet with inadequate nutrient intake that could have explained it. I also could have been going through one of those unexplained shedding phases as noted before.

My father always shed like crazy his whole life and still has hair at 65, androgen free always, and his family has a history of balding, so I think I know where my problems originated genetically.

 

[Nomen]

Thats great giving me hope of being able to use testo
But why this is working for u is perhaps because u arent really predisposed to MPB. Even though your grandparents has a history of balding its not sure for u since balding gen can skip generations as with your father! The shedding that u noticed before is presumably as u said from lack of nutrient I think. Or did u notice that classic pattern, shed at temples first etc?

 

[Cardinal]

You are right. I can't tell for sure and I definitely did not notice any classic shedding pattern. It is completely possible I am not predisposed. I wish I had given spiro and fina a legitimate shot a year or two ago. Might have a massively thick head of hair now.

 

[John Smeton]

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i havnt tryed it nor know anyone that has but i saw it and maybe someone might want to try it.

I found on some interesting information -click on facts- when u wash your hair ..a lot of hairs get caught in other hairs and when u wash (run your hands though, looking for shredding) these hairs come out..and this is normal. Nice knowledge!

 

[methusaleh]

I've got a heck of a question I should have asked a year ago...

With the spray minox/AA combination, can I just spray it on my head and leave it to dry, or should I be rubbing it in with my fingers?

 

[John Smeton]

I've got a heck of a question I should have asked a year ago...

With the spray minox/AA combination, can I just spray it on my head and leave it to dry, or should I be rubbing it in with my fingers?

yes rub in the spots you think need it. just a lil dab will do it, most people make the mistake of using too much. I did with Azelaic Acid. now i know.

the last post before this one is GOLD information. Check out the facts .

 

[ClintCanada]

Just some info

I had lost about 50% of my hair on top . . . had the widdows peaks in the top corners, and the crown was very thin -- I'd get sunburned (even in Canada)
I start straight out with level 3 hair care from page 1 about 3 months ago. Using 2% minoxidil twice per day, morning and night, nizoral shampoo every morning and 1mg finasteride every day. My hair has almost completely grown back. My mother in-law flew in to see my wife and I and help us move into our new home -- right at the airport she said something's different about you . . . later we got talking and she said its your hair -- I told her what I'd been up to -- she couldn't believe the results, she said she initially thought I'd had some sort of transplant therapy. I've since cut my doses to once per day of minoxidil (before bed), but also bought "the amazing laser brush" (with 6 lasers) -- it was only about $160
Just wanted to let guys out there know -- there IS hope and this stuff is powerful . . .

 

[SubliminalX]

Just some info

I had lost about 50% of my hair on top . . . had the widdows peaks in the top corners, and the crown was very thin -- I'd get sunburned (even in Canada)
I start straight out with level 3 hair care from page 1 about 3 months ago. Using 2% minoxidil twice per day, morning and night, nizoral shampoo every morning and 1mg finasteride every day. My hair has almost completely grown back. My mother in-law flew in to see my wife and I and help us move into our new home -- right at the airport she said something's different about you . . . later we got talking and she said its your hair -- I told her what I'd been up to -- she couldn't believe the results, she said she initially thought I'd had some sort of transplant therapy. I've since cut my doses to once per day of minoxidil (before bed), but also bought "the amazing laser brush" (with 6 lasers) -- it was only about $160
Just wanted to let guys out there know -- there IS hope and this stuff is powerful . . .

Laser brush working for your temples? And are you using research chemical Finasteride or the pills?

 

[BigVrunga]

Just some info

I had lost about 50% of my hair on top . . . had the widdows peaks in the top corners, and the crown was very thin -- I'd get sunburned (even in Canada)
I start straight out with level 3 hair care from page 1 about 3 months ago. Using 2% minoxidil twice per day, morning and night, nizoral shampoo every morning and 1mg finasteride every day. My hair has almost completely grown back. My mother in-law flew in to see my wife and I and help us move into our new home -- right at the airport she said something's different about you . . . later we got talking and she said its your hair -- I told her what I'd been up to -- she couldn't believe the results, she said she initially thought I'd had some sort of transplant therapy. I've since cut my doses to once per day of minoxidil (before bed), but also bought "the amazing laser brush" (with 6 lasers) -- it was only about $160
Just wanted to let guys out there know -- there IS hope and this stuff is powerful . .

Awesome Clint!! Glad it worked out for you and you're seeing your hair grow back!
-BV

 

[John Smeton]

Amen Brother! Storys like this are very inspirational. :djparty:

Just some info

I had lost about 50% of my hair on top . . . had the widdows peaks in the top corners, and the crown was very thin -- I'd get sunburned (even in Canada)
I start straight out with level 3 hair care from page 1 about 3 months ago. Using 2% minoxidil twice per day, morning and night, nizoral shampoo every morning and 1mg finasteride every day. My hair has almost completely grown back. My mother in-law flew in to see my wife and I and help us move into our new home -- right at the airport she said something's different about you . . . later we got talking and she said its your hair -- I told her what I'd been up to -- she couldn't believe the results, she said she initially thought I'd had some sort of transplant therapy. I've since cut my doses to once per day of minoxidil (before bed), but also bought "the amazing laser brush" (with 6 lasers) -- it was only about $160
Just wanted to let guys out there know -- there IS hope and this stuff is powerful . . .

 

[CEDeoudes59]

the combo of 2.5mg Finasteride EOD and IGF has regrown a lot of hair for me.. ~4weeks so far.

 

[ClintCanada]

Laser brush working for your temples? And are you using research chemical Finasteride or the pills?

Thanks BV

I started using propecia and then swtiched to the much cheaper proscar brand of finasteride (these were the two choices my doctor offered to me . . . I'm not sure if there are others. They are oral pills. The propecia came in 1mg pills, the proscar comes in 5mg and I break them into 1/4s approximately, so on average I get about 1.25mg per day . . .

I've been using the laser brush on my entire scalp, the temples too -- I have many small, fine blond hairs coming in (and my hair color is brown) -- and this seems to be how all the new hair growth starts and then gets thicker & darker, but again, I apply minoxidil there as well, and it may be just progression of the good work the nizoral, the minoxidil and the finasteride are doing.

I just have to say -- I thought the only option was surgery. This would be a HUGE lump sum payment -- I work for a living like everyone else, and really couldn't justify dropping a large sum for my vanity (when you're married, have the mortgage, perspective has got to change). But the nizoral is cheap, the laser brush was a 1 time fee, I get reimbursed for the finasteride through my drug plan and the minoxidil in Canada is about $60 for 2 - 60mL bottles, and I cut back from twice per day to once. I really feel its important to spread the word. The thing is most guys are self concious and quiet about mpb and don't talk to other guys about it or anyone for that matter, and if it wasn't for this site, I wouldn't have known about this stuff either -- anyways thanks to all for their info -- I'm 31 and with a thick crop of hair not feeling quite as "old" as I had been . . . :dance:

 

[BigVrunga]

That's great Clint, really glad its working out for you...Im a believer in the laser comb, my hair has gotten a lot thicker since I started using it for 10 min EOD. My own therory is that its increasing bloodflow to the hair cells while at the same time reducing inflammation, but who knows how valid that is, its just a guess.

BV

 

[Nomen]

Hey clint glad the stuff is working for you, have u been using hormones or any other stuff like prohormones or the shedding just happen naturally?

 

[Nomen]

I just come to think of this, old guys and even some younger looks like they have been shedding on the sides and even on the neck where MPB is not suppose to occur, at least what I have learnd! Perhaps that hasnt to do with DHT or any androgenetic hormone or what do u guys think? Lack of growth hormone?


Some other thouhts i would like too bring up:

One really strange think to me is, testosterone peak occurs in the age of 20 and I suppose DHT conversion would be at its highest then aswell! And as we get older the testosterone level keeps falling aswell as DHT, aswell as the HAIR! Why is that, it makes no sense to me!?

And the reason why we shed is because DHT triggers immune system to repel the hair. Doesnt AAS weaken the immune system maybe thats just temporary until the hormone balance has stabilized?

 

[asap nutrition]

Absolutely love this thread. I have already bookmarked it. I can tell you took a lot of time and put in a lot of research and I am very happy that you have shared with us all.

I would love if you would share your LLLT comb you created or even offer it for sale. I would be interested.

 

[BigVrunga]

I just come to think of this, old guys and even some younger looks like they have been shedding on the sides and even on the neck where MPB is not suppose to occur, at least what I have learnd! Perhaps that hasnt to do with DHT or any androgenetic hormone or what do u guys think? Lack of growth hormone?

That's a good question bro, and honestly I have no idea! Many, many things can cause hair shedding from stress, lack of GH like you mentioned to nutrition imbalances and the like. From all the research Ive read, the primary culprit is an over-sensitivity to DHT, but there could be many contributing factors.

Some other thouhts i would like too bring up:

One really strange think to me is, testosterone peak occurs in the age of 20 and I suppose DHT conversion would be at its highest then aswell! And as we get older the testosterone level keeps falling aswell as DHT, aswell as the HAIR! Why is that, it makes no sense to me!?

Another good point. I think that, as a MPB prone male ages, the effects of DHT on the hair follicles become more pronounced, and the body is less able to cope with it. You're question also appliies to prostate issues...most men prone to BPH experience the symptons in their 40s-50s, when theoretically DHT should be in a decline. But inhibiting DHT is a primary treatment for this affliction...has to be something to do with the body degenerating as it ages.

And the reason why we shed is because DHT triggers immune system to repel the hair. Doesnt anabolic steroids weaken the immune system maybe thats just temporary until the hormone balance has stabilized?

Totally depends on the person and the hormone. I think AAS can give your immune system a hit initially, but everything seems to come back online in a week or so. Clearly not enough time to gauge any effect on hair loss.

Absolutely love this thread. I have already bookmarked it. I can tell you took a lot of time and put in a lot of research and I am very happy that you have shared with us all.

I would love if you would share your LLLT comb you created or even offer it for sale. I would be interested.

Thanks asap!!! Im really glad this thread has helped so many people...there have been so many great contributions from various bros who have found effective solutions, I think we finally have a somewhat effective 'stack' that seems safe and works for a lot of people.

Thanks for your interest in the laser brush. Ive been meaning to put up a tutorial w/pics on how to build one but havent had the time.

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BV

 

[BigVrunga]

Another possible weapon in the fight for your hair...

We've been talking about how chronic inflammation may be a cause of hair loss, so today when my kid brother mentioned he was using topical Emu oil to successfully combat an inflammed AC joint, something sparked in my head...

Wonder if topically applied Emu Oil could be effective to help fight hair loss? I think its something I've overlooked!!

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From the above:

The anti-aging factor in emu oil was proven in a study at the Boston University School of Medicine in which a pharmaceutical grade emu oil was topically applied to depilitated mice in a for a two-week-long period in a double-blind study using corn oil as the control substance. The processed emu oil produced a 20% increase in DNA synthesis which meant that the growth activity of the skin of these animals had a 20% increase. Also the hair follicles were much more robust and the skin thickness had increased as well. Dr. Michael Holick, MD, Ph.D. who conducted these tests said they also discovered that "over 80% of hair follicles that had been asleep were woken up and began growing hair." He explained that hair follicles go through stages from resting to growth and back to sleep again, and that they awoke these hair follicles by stimulating them which indicates that it stimulates skin growth as well.

BV

 

[ClintCanada]

Hey clint glad the stuff is working for you, have u been using hormones or any other stuff like prohormones or the shedding just happen naturally?

I've done one cycle of Superdrol (old Legal Gear stuff) -- and by the way, I kept almost 100% of my gains from that cycle and gained about 3-4lbs of lean mass, it was just incredible . . . anywho, my hair loss had started way prior to that, and that one cycle didn't seem to contribute to my hair loss much. I'd say my shedding occurred close to 100% naturally.

I'm trying like hell to increase my major lifts over the next couple of months naturally and then possibly try a second PH cycle . . . and its likely gonna be PheraPlex this time.

 

[Nomen]

Re: Another possible weapon in the fight for your hair...

We've been talking about how chronic inflammation may be a cause of hair loss, so today when my kid brother mentioned he was using topical Emu oil to successfully combat an inflammed AC joint, something sparked in my head...

Wonder if topically applied Emu Oil could be effective to help fight hair loss? I think its something I've overlooked!!

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BV

I have heard about it before but never really considerd it untill now, so far from what I have read this stuff seems promising. No sides, someone with experince of this?

Think a oil would be nice to my hair anyways since it gets quite dry and itchy. Though the oilness look might not be so nice

 

[Nomen]

That's a good question bro, and honestly I have no idea! Many, many things can cause hair shedding from stress, lack of GH like you mentioned to nutrition imbalances and the like. From all the research Ive read, the primary culprit is an over-sensitivity to DHT, but there could be many contributing factors.

BV

Yes agree main culprit must be DHT but not for sure at side/neck hair! Because once again side/neck hair is not suppose to be prone to DHT or they may resist DHT to a higher level. But there maybe something else since this I think is noticable at older females aswell! As u said it applies for my other question see below.

Another good point. I think that, as a MPB prone male ages, the effects of DHT on the hair follicles become more pronounced, and the body is less able to cope with it. You're question also appliies to prostate issues...most men prone to BPH experience the symptons in their 40s-50s, when theoretically DHT should be in a decline. But inhibiting DHT is a primary treatment for this affliction...has to be something to do with the body degenerating as it ages.

BV

I think as u said degeneration has some to do with it. Hormones that has a positive influence on hair, decreases as one gets older. GH could very well be one of them. But one hormone that is not very often mentioned is melatonin. The lack of melatonin and gh is belived to increase aging process.

Melatonin levels are high during younger years and decreases as u get older. (OT: thats suppose to be one factor why older people get up so earyl). BTW melatonin is the pigmentation hormone. As u shed hair it loses its pigmentation I have noticed, thought it might have positive effect on hair growth. At least thats what i have heard!

 

[John Smeton]

Question Clint:

from what i understand the reason your started the treatment for your MPB (thats now a success) is because of this one thread, correct?

 

[ClintCanada]

Question Clint:

from what i understand the reason your started the treatment for your MPB (thats now a success) is because of this one thread, correct?

Correct, I thought all these sorts of options were just a joke -- that if they really worked, then they'd be common knowledge. I thought, if any of these things worked, you wouldn't see half of middle aged and older men walking around balding . . .

 

[John Smeton]

Correct, I thought all these sorts of options were just a joke -- that if they really worked, then they'd be common knowledge. I thought, if any of these things worked, you wouldn't see half of middle aged and older men walking around balding . . .

yes thats true , sometimes what most people might think is a joke actually works! the fact that you saw this thread and now have a fuller head of hair than you did(and you say a much fuller head of head- which leads to feeling better about yourself ultimately) gives me inspiration.

Im not using anything except nizoral 2 % evo because i dotn feel the need to and i don't see any losing of hair. I just got a short haircut and it looks great. looks like a full head of hair.
Ill use the stuff if/when i really need to . and just the fact that i have something in my arseal(sp) is assuring.