h-drol/x-tren Stack (advice please)

shane700

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I was hoping to get some second opinions on my planned upcoming stack. It would run 6 weeks with a 4-6 week PCT. I haven’t done prohormones sense the ergopharm craze in 2003. Then I ran both 1AD and 4AD solo then did two different stacks with both of them. One stack was 4 weeks with a 3rd week max of 400 (1AD) and 800 (4AD). Following that was a 6 week stack maxing out in week 5 at 600 (1AD) and 1200 (4AD). I've found my body reacts much better with stacking due to sore joints or bloated feeling. I had little to no sides for what felt like a pretty intense stack. The PCT's were all done with 6oxo with the standard time on = time off. I had some amazing gains but its been several years and during my last deployment I lost everything due to the optempo and location we were at. I started lifting again right after we got back a couple years ago and just have not yet gotten the gains I would like to see (no $$ for a stack w/out the extra deployment $$). I have always been a hard gainer as any small guy would be.
I would prefer not to use a SERM just due to our mail being handled by everyone and wanted a little more anonymity on where the box is coming from, so only OTC. I would also like feedback on cel PCT vs. reversitol. Right now I am leaning with PCT, the jury seems to be mixed and I can read what’s in PCT a little better. I'm pretty set on the products and have been researching daily for about a month. I would just appreciate advice on the dose and PCT.

Thank you for any help in advance!

My stats:
5'10
155 (started at 135 and got up to 170 after my stacks)
32 years old (27-28 during last stack)

Planed stack:

h-drol 50/75/75/100/100/50 (slight tapper down last wk)
x-tren 30/60/90/90 /90 /30 (slight tapper down- jump in with inhibit)
inhibit-E 00/00/00/00/00/ 3/2/2/1/1/1 (starts during last wk of cycle)
PCT assist 6/6/6/6 (starts day after cycle)
cycle assist starting 2wks prior and through cycle

Always use flax seed (liquid), muti-vitamin, n-large2, and currently using NO-XS.
 
i have used this stack before though only dosing the x-tren for 4 weeks at 90 and the H-drol at 75 for 6weeks. i used Pct assist and formestane things worked out very well for me with no sides at all. kept weight and strength

hope that helps
 
Yeah, anything helps. Tell me its a bad idea, tell me its dosed too high, or too low. Any response is helpful. Thanks so far (hamr9/mw1)!
 
mw1/hamr9, think I would need any cycle assist? Right now if I go with your suggestions I would probably run it something like this;
h-drol 50/75/75/75/75/75/
x-tren 0/0/90/90/90/90/ (last 4 wks of the h-drol)

Then rather then cycle assist its self I would probably run SNS Liver Assist XT, Flax (always use), and inhibit-E at 3/3/2/2/1

Thoughts?
 
shane700 said:
mw1/hamr9, think I would need any cycle assist? Right now if I go with your suggestions I would probably run it something like this;
h-drol 50/75/75/75/75/75/
x-tren 0/0/90/90/90/90/ (last 4 wks of the h-drol)

Then rather then cycle assist its self I would probably run SNS Liver Assist XT, Flax (always use), and inhibit-E at 3/3/2/2/1

Thoughts?
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On cycle i would use Cycle Assist but in PCT i would recommend Liver Assist with Inhibit E and Pct Assist
 
shane700 said:
mw1/hamr9, think I would need any cycle assist? Right now if I go with your suggestions I would probably run it something like this;
h-drol 50/75/75/75/75/75/
x-tren 0/0/90/90/90/90/ (last 4 wks of the h-drol)

Then rather then cycle assist its self I would probably run SNS Liver Assist XT, Flax (always use), and inhibit-E at 3/3/2/2/1

Thoughts?
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Man Im not so sure going otc for a nor ph is a good idea...I ran epi and tren for a month and got shut down BAD. Im certain that It if I ran it otc I'd be in bad shape. That been said, you have a decent cycle planned out and I my self will run these two compounds some time in january. Log it and I'll be sure to follow. Good Luck!!
 
carcaz13 said:
Man Im not so sure going otc for a nor ph is a good idea...I ran epi and tren for a month and got shut down BAD. Im certain that It if I ran it otc I'd be in bad shape. That been said, you have a decent cycle planned out and I my self will run these two compounds some time in january. Log it and I'll be sure to follow. Good Luck!!
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I concur on the issue of shutdown with nors/tren, it is really hit or miss some guys seem to respond well for size with tren , myself I hold a f-load of water and get gyno type symptoms. HPTA regen can be a biotch with nors/tren too.
Why havent you considered PP or SD? At your weight I would consider a PP/HD stack, the tren will make you hold some fluid anyways so why not take a better compound (dmt) like PP. You will feel better overall IMO, if you insist on running tren, I would stack it with PP still, HD or Tren provide no substantial support for your androgenic well being (sex drive, energy, etc) I am surprised how many guys run these odd anabolic cycles, but I would opt for PP for sure bro, cant go wrong with it and you will feel 10x better than being all sutdown on Tren alone
 
So most people have better luck with p-plex and h-drol? From most of what I've read it seems like a lot of people like the h-drol/tren stack. Like I said before most of my experience comes from the old 1-ad and 4-ad. I only had to run a PCT of 6oxo for those stacks and it always worked out great for me. I'm not really set completely with any one idea. Opinions are more then welcome! Again I would "prefer" not to run a SERM. And it looks as though I will probably run a solo h-drol cycle first but would still like to plan this one so I can stock up before most of the stuff is either gone or overpriced. But definitely thanks everyone for the feedback.

btw- most of the M-drol stuff I've read is that it's real harsh and definitely shouldn’t run it with out a SERM- so that might still be out.

Also any advice on a stock pile? Right now thinking 3 h-drol, 2 x-tren (or plex?), 1- mdrol (maybe?)
 
I've actually been planning a pretty identical stack for a while, but ended up having to delay things until after the new year unfortunately. I've done a few cycles of hdrol before and loved it but this would be my first go around with xtren. I was going to run

hdrol - 50/75/75/75/75/75
xtren - 0/0/90/90/90/90
Cycle Assist throughout and a PCT of PCT Assist and a SERM (torem)

I've been doing a good amount of research on that stack and from what I've read and been told it's a really good stack if you want to cut fat while still adding some lean mass at the same time. I know you prefer to not use a SERM, but I'd say half of the reviews of similar cycles said they got shot down pretty hard, so it may just be a safer bet to have one on hand just in case man. I'm definitely interested to see how this would turn out for you though since I'm probably doing exactly that in January. Good luck man!
 
Ok, so here is the plan, I will buy on the 1st and if everything comes at the rate packages seem to arrive then I should be able to preload starting mid Nov.

h-drol 50/75/75/75/75/75/ (CEL)
x-tren 0/0/90/90/90/90/ (last 4 wks of the h-drol) (CEL)
supress-c starting the 3rd wk of the stack and used until complete (CEL)
cycle assist throughout and preloaded 2 weeks ahead of the stack (CEL)
fish oil used throughout (Optimum)
glucosamine used throughout (NOW)

PCT:
inhibit-E at 3/3/2/2/1 (SNS)
PCT assist (CEL)
Liver detoxifier & regulator (cheaper then liver assist and PCT already has most the stuff in liver assist) (NOW)

sorry still not really sure about a package marked with "confidential" in a brown envelope
 
btw, I will at least have clomid on hand if not end up going ahead and using that solely... won't buy until I decide.
 
shane700 said:
Ok, so here is the plan, I will buy on the 1st and if everything comes at the rate packages seem to arrive then I should be able to preload starting mid Nov.

h-drol 50/75/75/75/75/75/ (CEL)
x-tren 0/0/90/90/90/90/ (last 4 wks of the h-drol) (CEL)
supress-c starting the 3rd wk of the stack and used until complete (CEL)
cycle assist throughout and preloaded 2 weeks ahead of the stack (CEL)
fish oil used throughout (Optimum)
glucosamine used throughout (NOW)

PCT:
inhibit-E at 3/3/2/2/1 (SNS)
PCT assist (CEL)
Liver detoxifier & regulator (cheaper then liver assist and PCT already has most the stuff in liver assist) (NOW)

sorry still not really sure about a package marked with "confidential" in a brown envelope
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i am waiting on my order to get here!! excited, it wont be available after the new years, so i figure id try a cycle. Only diff is im doing M-drol & X-Tren. Everything else stays the same. Looking at some stuff (Finadex 6) supposed to be just like 6-oxo. thinking about adding that in for pct.
Just some insight.
im 23, and i Used 1-AD & 4-AD when i was 16. Never finished the cycle, my nuts got tender and i threw it in the trash!! No PCT other than Chrysin. Not too bad till i ran out... anyways. I also wanted to check back to see how your cycle went for you!! Sides???
 
shane700 said:
What about using clomid and liver assist XT? Would I need anything else during PCT?
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I am not a fan of clomid, but if you did that PCT, your options would be to add a natural test booster like our PCT Assist and a cortisol blocker like our Suppress-C or SNS's Reduce XT.

shane700 said:
Ok, so here is the plan, I will buy on the 1st and if everything comes at the rate packages seem to arrive then I should be able to preload starting mid Nov.

h-drol 50/75/75/75/75/75/ (CEL)
x-tren 0/0/90/90/90/90/ (last 4 wks of the h-drol) (CEL)
supress-c starting the 3rd wk of the stack and used until complete (CEL)
cycle assist throughout and preloaded 2 weeks ahead of the stack (CEL)
fish oil used throughout (Optimum)
glucosamine used throughout (NOW)

PCT:
inhibit-E at 3/3/2/2/1 (SNS)
PCT assist (CEL)
Liver detoxifier & regulator (cheaper then liver assist and PCT already has most the stuff in liver assist) (NOW)

sorry still not really sure about a package marked with "confidential" in a brown envelope
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I would save the Suppress-C for PCT if it were me.

I would run our Topical Formestane the last 3 weeks of the cycle and overlap it two weeks into your PCT at 100 mg per day every week except 50 mg per day the last week.

IMO Liver Assist XT is by far superior to the option you mentioned.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I am not a fan of clomid, but if you did that PCT, your options would be to add a natural test booster like our PCT Assist and a cortisol blocker like our Suppress-C or SNS's Reduce XT.



I would save the Suppress-C for PCT if it were me.

I would run our Topical Formestane the last 3 weeks of the cycle and overlap it two weeks into your PCT at 100 mg per day every week except 50 mg per day the last week.

IMO Liver Assist XT is by far superior to the option you mentioned.
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WHERE CAN I GET THE TREN FOR 9.99? I JUST ORDERED 6 BOTTLES TREN, P-PLEX, AND M1, 4ADD ALL FOR 19.99 EA!!
 
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