H-Drol PCT

Chevyz28

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I did quite a few searches, and I'm sure this topics already been covered but I couldn't find it.

I'm currently doing 50/50/75/75/75/75 on H-Drol, and taking comp labs cycle assist + saw palmetto daily.

What would be an ideal PCT? I have P6 test booster and tribulus currently, and was told these would be sufficient. The reading I've been doing leads me to believe that isn't true at all. I am currently on week 3.
 
you didnt mention serm anywhere in your post so i assume you have done no research. Now go research what a serm is and why you need it in pct
 
Yep, try to find a serm to take for pct. If you can't fine one look into the TRS stack from Primordial Performance.
 
A SERM is definitely the way to go for anything past 4 weeks. If I were you I would get some Nolva asap and hope it comes in time. If it comes late I guess you just take a week longer to recover.
 
BigBlackGuy said:
This. If you need help with the price, PM me.
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Hey, my post count is still under 7. Thanks for the response, yeah I'd like to get the best pricing possible.. Also, would I take this and Nolva? I'd like to keep my gains and stay healthy. I should have done more research instead of going off a friends advice.
 
Chevyz28 said:
Hey, my post count is still under 7. Thanks for the response, yeah I'd like to get the best pricing possible.. Also, would I take this and Nolva? I'd like to keep my gains and stay healthy. I should have done more research instead of going off a friends advice.
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Nolva+TRS will work out very well. Nolva is going to be hard to find soon so get on that fast if you want it.
 
Alright, so Nolvadex + TRS for an ideal PCT. Any idea where the best place is to get nolvadex from and roughly how much it'll cost? Buying the wrong stuff in the first place was quite the waste of money and I truly regret not joining this forum sooner. Thanks a ton for the help guys, it truly is appreciated.
 
Chevyz28 said:
Alright, so Nolvadex + TRS for an ideal PCT. Any idea where the best place is to get nolvadex from and roughly how much it'll cost? Buying the wrong stuff in the first place was quite the waste of money and I truly regret not joining this forum sooner. Thanks a ton for the help guys, it truly is appreciated.
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Wish we could disclose that type of information but unfortunately that is considered source posting and is forbidden.
All you need to do is type some combination of the words "Nolva" and "research chemical" in google and I bet you'll find what you need.
If you need any help distinguishing between a research chemical and a bullsh!t name stealing knockoff supplement I might be able to help you with that however.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Wish we could disclose that type of information but unfortunately that is considered source posting and is forbidden.
All you need to do is type some combination of the words "Nolva" and "research chemical" in google and I bet you'll find what you need.
If you need any help distinguishing between a research chemical and a bullsh!t name stealing knockoff supplement I might be able to help you with that however.
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If you look hard enough at the pop-up banners on this page I bet you could find it as well.
 
I used Nolva+Creatine finished with Rev V2 and only lost about 4 lbs on pct, good results. Did not have a bad pct with this route at all, h-drol seemed pretty mild. Also had very little sides and good results, next stop M-drol!
 
Chevyz28 said:
I did quite a few searches, and I'm sure this topics already been covered but I couldn't find it.

I'm currently doing 50/50/75/75/75/75 on H-Drol, and taking comp labs cycle assist + saw palmetto daily.

What would be an ideal PCT? I have P6 test booster and tribulus currently, and was told these would be sufficient. The reading I've been doing leads me to believe that isn't true at all. I am currently on week 3.
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You are also in the best week of gains from my experience, I stopped gaining after mid week 4. Actually lost about 3 lbs in week 5-6 so enjoy the feeling you have right now! Had a lot of people say what the hell happened to you in the 3-4 week. I didn't have bad lethargy from the product like a lot of people did, but did notice that I could fall asleep on a dime after my dose right before bed. Loved the product!
 
LiveToLift said:
You are also in the best week of gains from my experience, I stopped gaining after mid week 4. Actually lost about 3 lbs in week 5-6 so enjoy the feeling you have right now! Had a lot of people say what the hell happened to you in the 3-4 week. I didn't have bad lethargy from the product like a lot of people did, but did notice that I could fall asleep on a dime after my dose right before bed. Loved the product!
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Yeah same here the gains came in mid cycle and then just kinda hung around. The loss of a couple pounds sounds like the recomp effects Hdrol has. For anyone not looking to recomp though, simply just increase dosage (assuming you're not already at high dose) eat even more cals, and keep an eye on your sides.

LiveToLift, Reversitol V2 is the sh1t isn't it? Not too many people know about it it seems. Very effective product. Props to iForce.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Yeah same here the gains came in mid cycle and then just kinda hung around. The loss of a couple pounds sounds like the recomp effects Hdrol has. For anyone not looking to recomp though, simply just increase dosage (assuming you're not already at high dose) eat even more cals, and keep an eye on your sides.

LiveToLift, Reversitol V2 is the sh1t isn't it? Not too many people know about it it seems. Very effective product. Props to iForce.
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As far as the dosage, yes I probably should have went up to 100 a day and finished in the middle of week six, I kept it strictly 50/50/75/75/75/75 and it was just enough to cap off the two bottles that I had. However food consumption was not an issue for my cycle!! Eating consumed my life, at work I would actually eat on the shop floor :-) It ended up resulting in a bit of a bloat in my stomach though being that I was always hungry! May want to try what Fl3x suggested and up that last week or two to 100 if you quit gaining.

Yes I do believe that Reversitol V2 had a great effect on the pct! Not entirely sure if the Nolva was the main factor but I was very pleased that you had suggested to finish my pct with RV2. I second the shout out to iForce! I read a lot of forums dogging iForce for how bad it was compared to the original, but if that is the case man I would love to get ahold of the original Reversitol.
 
LiveToLift said:
As far as the dosage, yes I probably should have went up to 100 a day and finished in the middle of week six, I kept it strictly 50/50/75/75/75/75 and it was just enough to cap off the two bottles that I had. However food consumption was not an issue for my cycle!! Eating consumed my life, at work I would actually eat on the shop floor :-) It ended up resulting in a bit of a bloat in my stomach though being that I was always hungry! May want to try what Fl3x suggested and up that last week or two to 100 if you quit gaining.

Yes I do believe that Reversitol V2 had a great effect on the pct! Not entirely sure if the Nolva was the main factor but I was very pleased that you had suggested to finish my pct with RV2. I second the shout out to iForce! I read a lot of forums dogging iForce for how bad it was compared to the original, but if that is the case man I would love to get ahold of the original Reversitol.
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I think the main difference was the original had 6-bromo. I can't remember though. If you google that, you might read some thing that would discourage you from using it. I'm not sure if it would have made a difference for me but I was happy with the V2.


Original Poster, did you get you SERM squared away yet?
 
Tempting, but 100 sure sounds like a lot.

Did you run the Reversitol at the same time as the Nolva for the 4 weeks? Pretty sure I'm going to pick up some reversitol v2.

The advice has been great so far, and fast too. You guys are awesome.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
I think the main difference was the original had 6-bromo. I can't remember though. If you google that, you might read some thing that would discourage you from using it. I'm not sure if it would have made a difference for me but I was happy with the V2.


Original Poster, did you get you SERM squared away yet?
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For the SERM I'm going to order some Nolva today, and then pick up some Reversitol v2.
 
Chevyz28 said:
Tempting, but 100 sure sounds like a lot.

Did you run the Reversitol at the same time as the Nolva for the 4 weeks? Pretty sure I'm going to pick up some reversitol v2.

The advice has been great so far, and fast too. You guys are awesome.
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No, I found that running the Nolva+creatine, for the first 2 weeks was sufficient. I started the reversitol v2 in the end of the second week. It seemed to be very effective by doing so. I cant claim this as my own strategy as Fl3x has coached me through most of everything I have done and he has been very helpful. I will say I had a terrible loss of libido about 2nd week into hdrol, and when I started the reversitol it kicked that to the curb! So I could definitely tell my testosterone was coming back to a normal/above normal state.
 
LiveToLift said:
No, I found that running the Nolva+creatine, for the first 2 weeks was sufficient. I started the reversitol v2 in the end of the second week. It seemed to be very effective by doing so. I cant claim this as my own strategy as Fl3x has coached me through most of everything I have done and he has been very helpful. I will say I had a terrible loss of libido about 2nd week into hdrol, and when I started the reversitol it kicked that to the curb! So I could definitely tell my testosterone was coming back to a normal/above normal state.
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Name dropping? Reps to you when I get to a computer Jeff! Lol.
Yeah the libido loss was inevitable for me, some people didn't see it. There are a few things being discussed around the forum here that people think keeps it up on cycle. I haven't looked much into it as I don't really care too much but it might be worth a read if anyone is looking to avoid this.
I mean, I could still hang in there in the bedroom lol...just had to focus.
 
Hdrol doesnt cause you to shut down real bad. Its very mild. PCT Revolutions Black+Cycle Assist+Test booster (DAA, Activate Xtreme) is enough for hdrol.

Something like sdrol/tren would require a SERM
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Name dropping? Reps to you when I get to a computer Jeff! Lol.
Yeah the libido loss was inevitable for me, some people didn't see it. There are a few things being discussed around the forum here that people think keeps it up on cycle. I haven't looked much into it as I don't really care too much but it might be worth a read if anyone is looking to avoid this.
I mean, I could still hang in there in the bedroom lol...just had to focus.
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Too funny! Yea I actually kinda liked that I didn't want to get it in every time I saw my girl, as I usually cant help but try! LMAO Was nice to have her initiate it more then I did for a change. It also was easy for me to still perform but just didnt have the urges I normally do. Small price to pay for an awesome experience in the gym.
 
ion26 said:
Hdrol doesnt cause you to shut down real bad. Its very mild. PCT Revolutions Black+Cycle Assist+Test booster (DAA, Activate Xtreme) is enough for hdrol.

Something like sdrol/tren would require a SERM
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Actually Hdrol has yielded similar blood tests as superdrol in some individuals as far sides go.
Dermacrine isn't that suppressive either but run it for 8 weeks and you're better off with a SERM. I would never run a PH longer than 4 weeks without a SERM. Trust me I have done it both ways and I know the difference. Better safe than sorry. And if you can't afford the extra $30 for a 100% safe pct you probably shouldn't run the cycle anyways. This isn't a dig at you bro, just trying to help him make an informed decision. That way if he doesn't recover the way he expected to he only has himself to blame.
 
Chevyz28 said:
For the SERM I'm going to order some Nolva today, and then pick up some Reversitol v2.
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If you have any extra cash I forgot to mention PCT assist, it had slipped my mind that I also bought that when i purchased cycle assist.
 
Well I am now mid way through week 4. Reversitol, Nolva, and PCT Assist have been ordered and should be here in time.

I also have a dr appointment next week to get blood work and make sure everything is alright. Haven't felt the greatest this past week.

I started my cycle at 146 lbs, I weighed in yesterday at 162. Hopefully I can gain a bit more before I'm done, and hoping I keep most of it. Thanks for the help guys.
 
Chevyz28 said:
Well I am now mid way through week 4. Reversitol, Nolva, and PCT Assist have been ordered and should be here in time.

I also have a dr appointment next week to get blood work and make sure everything is alright. Haven't felt the greatest this past week.

I started my cycle at 146 lbs, I weighed in yesterday at 162. Hopefully I can gain a bit more before I'm done, and hoping I keep most of it. Thanks for the help guys.
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Make sure you continue to eat like a cow during your pct! Your appetite will go down which makes it hard but you have to push through it and eat, eat, eat... You will obviously lose water weight after or during the first week pct but any good gains you had will stick assuming you stay with the plan.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Actually Hdrol has yielded similar blood tests as superdrol in some individuals as far sides go.
Dermacrine isn't that suppressive either but run it for 8 weeks and you're better off with a SERM. I would never run a PH longer than 4 weeks without a SERM. Trust me I have done it both ways and I know the difference. Better safe than sorry. And if you can't afford the extra $30 for a 100% safe pct you probably shouldn't run the cycle anyways. This isn't a dig at you bro, just trying to help him make an informed decision. That way if he doesn't recover the way he expected to he only has himself to blame.
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Once again flex very good post! Couldn't agree more. If you have the ambition and money to run a cycle, then have anything on hand that is necessary for any situation! Bravo! Personally I always play it over safe then think I'll be the person that will be fine without.....
 
Update: I'm 5 days into my PCT. Taking 20mg nolva, and PCT assist daily. Starting creatine today, and going to start reversitol at the end of week two.

Current weight is 162 lbs, but I definitely gained a good bit of fat over the weekend cheating on my diet.
 
Good to hear back from ya! How much total weight gain would that make for the cycle? It is very important to make sure you keep your diet strict for atleast a month to help the gains solidify. It will allow your body to get used to being at the weight you are and will help maintain your gains. PCT is not a place to slack!!! You will be very sad to see all the gains fade off because of a few bad choices during this crucial time! :sad3: Hope your pct works good and you are happy with the results of the cycle bro! I will be starting a few logs here soon and will link you up if you want to follow.
 
Yeah I'll definitely follow, if I can solidify most of theses gains, I'd love to do another cycle in the future. Went from 146 - 161, fluctuating 159-162 day to day. Going to be difficult to be strict on my diet with thanksgiving break coming, but definitely plan on doing everything I can.

Edit: Nothing better than hearing from girls that there's a noticeable difference. End of week 4 I visited my family and instantly was asked if I was roiding. I did it for myself, but the girls sure make it a bit better.
 
I've done two different cycles of Hdrol in the past and have been very pleased with the results from both. You definitely know when it is working(usually around end of week 2) due to strength increases. I had decent gains both times but end up losing most of it(around 50% lost). Although adding solid pound that fast and keeping some of it is still a success, I know that there are ways to better my results once the cycle is finished. I definitely eat enough and clean enough so I know that my body is being fueled properyl. My problem is in the PCT. Last cycle I ended with PCT revolution Black, PCT revolution, Creatine, and Trib. Yea it kept me from experiencing bad sides or anything alike but the potential to keep more gains and have a much faster test recovery time is definitely wanted. FL3X and Livetolift, yall definitely know your stuff. Any advice? I know that everybody reacts differently and sometimes need different methods to pct. I never experienced any sides while on cycle( knock on wood), exept for low libido and lethargy post cycle. I have done much research and think to maximize recovery, a serm(nolva) and maybe a test booster of some sort would be the best route. I just have some reservations about some of the places that provide these(ie. trustworthy or not, grade of product). Please point me in the right direction. I am about to start another cycle next week and want to have a solid PCT on hand to be ready.
 
I was also considering the Myotropic Domination stack as PCT with continued use of Hawthorn berry, milk thistle, and creatine. What do you think.
 
Chevyz28 said:
Yeah I'll definitely follow, if I can solidify most of theses gains, I'd love to do another cycle in the future. Went from 146 - 161, fluctuating 159-162 day to day. Going to be difficult to be strict on my diet with thanksgiving break coming, but definitely plan on doing everything I can.

Edit: Nothing better than hearing from girls that there's a noticeable difference. End of week 4 I visited my family and instantly was asked if I was roiding. I did it for myself, but the girls sure make it a bit better.
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Yea I know what you mean, never a bad thing to get a little more attention from the ladies! Glad it worked so good for you bro, once again I'm here if you need any help with anything!
 
thsearfoss said:
I've done two different cycles of Hdrol in the past and have been very pleased with the results from both. You definitely know when it is working(usually around end of week 2) due to strength increases. I had decent gains both times but end up losing most of it(around 50% lost). Although adding solid pound that fast and keeping some of it is still a success, I know that there are ways to better my results once the cycle is finished. I definitely eat enough and clean enough so I know that my body is being fueled properyl. My problem is in the PCT. Last cycle I ended with PCT revolution Black, PCT revolution, Creatine, and Trib. Yea it kept me from experiencing bad sides or anything alike but the potential to keep more gains and have a much faster test recovery time is definitely wanted. FL3X and Livetolift, yall definitely know your stuff. Any advice? I know that everybody reacts differently and sometimes need different methods to pct. I never experienced any sides while on cycle( knock on wood), exept for low libido and lethargy post cycle. I have done much research and think to maximize recovery, a serm(nolva) and maybe a test booster of some sort would be the best route. I just have some reservations about some of the places that provide these(ie. trustworthy or not, grade of product). Please point me in the right direction. I am about to start another cycle next week and want to have a solid PCT on hand to be ready.
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I can definitely give you some advice, but am no expert by any means! Just lived and learned, this site can mold anyone into a "expert" if you are really dedicated to what you are looking for! Will pm you with some info here soon.
 
Didn't ask for a source and didn't expect to get one on here. I know the grey area associated with that. Just asked for advice on searching. Re-read
 
What would be a good supp that has AI, Cort, and t boosting properties all in one? Just trying to make sure all areas are covered
 
Iforce reversitol v2 and Sustain Alpha both come to mind...
 
After reading up more, I am being led to believe that clomid is a better route for pct due to the lower toxicity on the liver. Would this not be more favorable due to the extended use of a ph on the liver? Also, I read that nolva is mainly used to prevent test from converting into estrogen, mainly in the tissues. I realize that a serm is the best way to prevent the side affects that are often associated with the discontinued use of a ph. Is it correct that even with the use of a serm, one shoud include an AI and cortisol controlling product? I want to be completely sure, I read so many different view points but have seen some wealth of knowledge in this thread from certain experianced users. Would a serm(nolva or clomid?), along with DAA and a AI/Cort controll supp suffice? In your opinion, what is the most effective AI/Cort product.....And this may be going into deep water with yall so just pretend I didn't mention this if that is that case...With a 6 wk cycle of hdrol, is a serm completely neccessary? I have felt ok from my past two cycles, just want to improve on keeping gains. Which very well could be from T having to compete with estrogen, in comes the serm.
 
Based on the advice from this thread, I've gone the route of Nolva+reversitol. I will definitely post my results at the end of my PCT for you to see how they work for me.
 
thsearfoss said:
After reading up more, I am being led to believe that clomid is a better route for pct due to the lower toxicity on the liver. Would this not be more favorable due to the extended use of a ph on the liver? Also, I read that nolva is mainly used to prevent test from converting into estrogen, mainly in the tissues. I realize that a serm is the best way to prevent the side affects that are often associated with the discontinued use of a ph. Is it correct that even with the use of a serm, one shoud include an AI and cortisol controlling product? I want to be completely sure, I read so many different view points but have seen some wealth of knowledge in this thread from certain experianced users. Would a serm(nolva or clomid?), along with DAA and a AI/Cort controll supp suffice? In your opinion, what is the most effective AI/Cort product.....And this may be going into deep water with yall so just pretend I didn't mention this if that is that case...With a 6 wk cycle of hdrol, is a serm completely neccessary? I have felt ok from my past two cycles, just want to improve on keeping gains. Which very well could be from T having to compete with estrogen, in comes the serm.
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I would chose nolva over clomid, but that is just personal preference and have heard better outcomes from the threads I have read on it. I also believe that Reversitol V2 is the best AI to use, once again from personal experience I was more then pleased with what those two products did for me during pct. Being that you are running more then 4 weeks I would strongly suggest using a serm. Just because your body "feels" alright without one doesn't mean you fully recover in the proper amount of time. Good luck!
 
You started cycling at 140something lbs?! How long have you been working out, 2 months? OP- you seriously news to reconsider your perspective on anabolic, this sh*t isn't a joke and unless you're 4'11", you started way too early.

Good on you guys for giving him pct advice, bit shame on all of you for not stepping in and letting him know he is way far over his head. My bet is that you could have very easily gotten to 180 natty, And probably learned a ton about diet and lifting in the process. I hope you keep your gains cause starting at 140 tells me you have no clue how to diet correctly to gain. This is why I hate prohormones, they are not intimidating enough. I am fairly certain you started your cycle for the wrong reasons and hope you learn a lot more before you attempt it again.
 
GMG760 said:
You started cycling at 140something lbs?! How long have you been working out, 2 months? OP- you seriously news to reconsider your perspective on anabolic, this sh*t isn't a joke and unless you're 4'11", you started way too early.

Good on you guys for giving him pct advice, bit shame on all of you for not stepping in and letting him know he is way far over his head. My bet is that you could have very easily gotten to 180 natty, And probably learned a ton about diet and lifting in the process. I hope you keep your gains cause starting at 140 tells me you have no clue how to diet correctly to gain. This is why I hate prohormones, they are not intimidating enough. I am fairly certain you started your cycle for the wrong reasons and hope you learn a lot more before you attempt it again.
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In his very first post he said "I am currently on week 3." How are you going to say "shame on you guys?" Did you want us to go back in time to exactly 3 weeks before he created the thread and warn him he is in over his head? Throughout the three pages of posts the OP has recognized his mistake and made it very clear that he should not have just jumped in. There is no sense in bullying, we're all friends here and we're all here to help each other.

Chevy, how are you feeling in PCT?
 
GMG760 said:
You started cycling at 140something lbs?! How long have you been working out, 2 months? OP- you seriously news to reconsider your perspective on anabolic, this sh*t isn't a joke and unless you're 4'11", you started way too early.

Good on you guys for giving him pct advice, bit shame on all of you for not stepping in and letting him know he is way far over his head. My bet is that you could have very easily gotten to 180 natty, And probably learned a ton about diet and lifting in the process. I hope you keep your gains cause starting at 140 tells me you have no clue how to diet correctly to gain. This is why I hate prohormones, they are not intimidating enough. I am fairly certain you started your cycle for the wrong reasons and hope you learn a lot more before you attempt it again.
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I gained about 20 lbs natty before doing this. Yeah, I'd agree with a lot you said though. I was on cycle before I joined this site, everyone here has been really helpful and I've learned a lot.

FL3X MAGNUM said:
In his very first post he said "I am currently on week 3." How are you going to say "shame on you guys?" Did you want us to go back in time to exactly 3 weeks before he created the thread and warn him he is in over his head? Throughout the three pages of posts the OP has recognized his mistake and made it very clear that he should not have just jumped in. There is no sense in bullying, we're all friends here and we're all here to help each other.

Chevy, how are you feeling in PCT?
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So far I've been pretty good. Haven't lost weight yet. I've been pretty lethargic, but other than that things are going well so far.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Actually Hdrol has yielded similar blood tests as superdrol in some individuals as far sides go.
Dermacrine isn't that suppressive either but run it for 8 weeks and you're better off with a SERM. I would never run a PH longer than 4 weeks without a SERM. Trust me I have done it both ways and I know the difference. Better safe than sorry. And if you can't afford the extra $30 for a 100% safe pct you probably shouldn't run the cycle anyways. This isn't a dig at you bro, just trying to help him make an informed decision. That way if he doesn't recover the way he expected to he only has himself to blame.
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Shiiiii, $30? I need to get my serms from the same place as you!
 
I agree with fl3x. The only way to learn is by asking those who have experience. I did the same thing my first cycle because I was eager and heard all the "great" stories about prohormones. I'm glad he didn't have too much pride to ask for help. I'm glad there are people on here who offer help to those who may not have as much experience.

I'm just trying to gain insight on different pct methods because everyone's body reacts differently to a given compound. Fl3x, I have tried RV2 in the past and it didn't seem to work well with me. I have been looking into other products and their ratings and reviews. What do you think about a Formulax+erase stack?
 
Formula-X is DAA correct? I don't know much about it but if it were just DAA, stacking it with Erase would yield good results as far as boosting test, and Erase is a top notch AI.
On the other hand, I don't feel that DAA is sufficient enough as a test booster in PCT. I would also at very least add in some tribulus or Bulbine Natalensis. There are lots of products out there that have a long list of test boosting ingredients that you could pick up for fairly cheap.
When you used Rev V2, did you use it during PCT or as a standalone? And if it were in PCT was it your only supp used in PCT?
Also, how did you dose it, if u remember. I didn't follow the bottle's instructions. Thebigt is running a log with it right now and has a theory that the AI properties of Rev V2 make it much more effective if taken with fatty meals. Might be something to think about with your Erase too.
Main reason I liked Rev V2 so much is it had cortisol control, estrogen control, and test booster all in one.
 
I'm not bullying at all. I started the very sentence with "good on you guys for helping him out", but nobody had really spoken up and said, "you're doing this all wrong, way too early, and don't have the knowledge/experience to be jeopardizing your body in such a way. I completely agree e should finish his cycle and pct correctly, he still deserves a verbal slap upside the head for starting way too early. Sometimes I have to be that guy, and hopefully he takes it like a man and realizes what he needs to do. Research, eat, reach a serious natty plateau. Too many people think that it's alright to Jump onto oral steroids because a few are sold as designer anabolics. I just want people to be safe, and sometimes that takes some firm words.

Op- you are telling me you were 126lbs when u started lifting? At 126 You could have gained that 20 lbs from push ups and a couple cheeseburgers. Have a safe cycle and enjoy it, but wait it out next time. You've just slowed your natty progress to a halt, so getting away from the sauce once you start is easier said than done.
 
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