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H-drol, low test, HRT/TRT

operation5pm

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I ran this cycle back in January: h-drol 50/50/50/75/75 and furuza-a 200/200/200/250/250. I took cycle support before, during cycle and PCT support after. And I followed up with nolva 20/20/10/10.

1 week prior to cycle my test was at 503, estradiol at 19. Last day of cycle I was at 102 and 45, respectively. I finished up my 4 weeks of PCT with no problems, no gyno, no shrinkage.

So, I was looking to run a cycle of e-stane and p-stanz and went in for bloodwork. As of yesterday, my test is at 304 and my doc is sending me to an endo. The crappy part is my endo is booked up so I don't get to go until the end of September. Any recommendations on what to do now? Should I just wait for the endo appointment?
 
same situation got low test from hdrol for a while, doc wants to put me on trt ur doc will prob do the same i imagine. i would just take a few good natural test boosters in the meantime, and make sure ur hittin the gym gettin that natural test boost
 
Holy Sh!t, booked till the end of September???...Id def look into another reputable endo in the area and see him alot sooner. I have an appt in 2 weeks for mine.

But yea id deff hop on some natty test boosters...heres an awesome link with a ton of good info..

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bigdave said:
same situation got low test from hdrol for a while, doc wants to put me on trt ur doc will prob do the same i imagine. i would just take a few good natural test boosters in the meantime, and make sure ur hittin the gym gettin that natural test boost
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Testosterone replacement therapy? I have a question for you. Is that a horrible thing? Does it suplliment to what your natural test would be? Or completly shut you down and take over?
 
operation5pm said:
I ran this cycle back in January: h-drol 50/50/50/75/75 and furuza-a 200/200/200/250/250. I took cycle support before, during cycle and PCT support after. And I followed up with nolva 20/20/10/10.

1 week prior to cycle my test was at 503, estradiol at 19. Last day of cycle I was at 102 and 45, respectively. I finished up my 4 weeks of PCT with no problems, no gyno, no shrinkage.

So, I was looking to run a cycle of e-stane and p-stanz and went in for bloodwork. As of yesterday, my test is at 304 and my doc is sending me to an endo. The crappy part is my endo is booked up so I don't get to go until the end of September. Any recommendations on what to do now? Should I just wait for the endo appointment?
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Dude to dont do a cycle until after your docs are done with you.
 
Yah I've been getting mixed advice so I'm not really sure on this. I'm still young (mid-20s) so I'm not convinced that HRT is the right path. I def do not want to start another until I'm evened out.
 
operation5pm said:
Yah I've been getting mixed advice so I'm not really sure on this. I'm still young (mid-20s) so I'm not convinced that HRT is the right path. I def do not want to start another until I'm evened out.
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I'm def not seeing where the problem is in this thread. U have to get ur levels checked by an endo and ur test levels r low while on cycle. Not a problem. It's normal. Endo may wanna put u on pharm legit prescribed testosterone. Not a problem. You're in ur mid 20's. Honestly mid 20's is good enough to use test, but i will say this: Take advantage right now if u want. He's ur hookup, and with insurance covering ur ass, u can get a vial of test cheap. No need to go on HRT/TRT. If I were u, I'd take advantage
 
yeah seriously. you've got a hookup for cheap, legal high quality test. as if you wouldn't take it and stock up, if you are running ph cycles you will inevitably want the real thing eventually..
 
rsr08 said:
I'm def not seeing where the problem is in this thread. U have to get ur levels checked by an endo and ur test levels r low while on cycle. Not a problem. It's normal. Endo may wanna put u on pharm legit prescribed testosterone. Not a problem. You're in ur mid 20's. Honestly mid 20's is good enough to use test, but i will say this: Take advantage right now if u want. He's ur hookup, and with insurance covering ur ass, u can get a vial of test cheap. No need to go on HRT/TRT. If I were u, I'd take advantage
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I totally agree on the free test vial, I know some guys who attempted this themselves. But look at the datE of his cycle guys.

He did his cycle in JANUARY, its July/August. He was 304 yesterday not end of cycle. Yes take any drugs the doc gives you (I have a stash of painkillers) and save them but seriously dont touch anything until your docs have figured out whats up. Maybe you dont need trt. There are other things that lower test considerably, drinking, sleeplessness, etc etc. Maybe it was a bad test result. The endo will find out.
Chill... no roids until you find out more about your body.
 
on the run said:
yeah seriously. you've got a hookup for cheap, legal high quality test. as if you wouldn't take it and stock up, if you are running ph cycles you will inevitably want the real thing eventually..
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Nothingman said:
I totally agree on the free test vial, I know some guys who attempted this themselves.
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I was thinking this too. My only beef is that I have to wait until the end of September before I can see the endo, and even then there's no guarantee that I'll get a vial of anything. They will probably run another test then, right?
 
Yeah the endo will run a massive test probably or maybe he/she will jsut say...your fuukt heres some test. But dude dont do another cycle until after that, the endo will probly catch on if you are coming off cycle when they check you out. Also who knows maybe it was a bad day to test your testosterone man. I have had bad days where I just know my test is low.

You dont want to stuck on TRT for life.
 
Nothingman said:
Yeah the endo will run a massive test probably or maybe he/she will jsut say...your fuukt heres some test. But dude dont do another cycle until after that, the endo will probly catch on if you are coming off cycle when they check you out. Also who knows maybe it was a bad day to test your testosterone man. I have had bad days where I just know my test is low.

You dont want to stuck on TRT for life.
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Much appreciated bro. I'm going to stay off until I can get things straightened out with the doc.
 
operation5pm said:
Much appreciated bro. I'm going to stay off until I can get things straightened out with the doc.
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I know how hard it is bro, we are all here for one obvious reason, not to get huge, not to get stronger, but because we have NO patience to Wait for it lol. I am the same way. Im kind of in your boat right now.
I fukt up my M-drol cycle and now Im on a full PCT for a 2 week cycle. When the sides got easier it took all my power of reason not to start it again right there, I have to wait and let my body get better before I do it again (next time Ill do it right).

Its hard, and hell, maybe yur doc will give you some good **** lol, but yeah if they catch you on roids they might not be so willing to help, and that probly effects insurance as well.
 
Jackpot!! I'm 44 and have been on TRT since 2007. Recently went from gels to 100mg test cyp every five days. My test level averages 775-1000 now up from 275. I also cyle with SD or Phera or Tren ; whatever i feel like.Use the script to stock up now (get cypionate not testim or androgel) and store it correctly. A couple of cycles a year stacked with good test cyp. Is not going to shove you into permanent TRT. In fact, you may be a legitimate candidate anyway and are just now seeing the signs. Age is not necessarily an indicator of high or low test. Keep going to the Doc and be thankful for that script should you actually need it.
 
Presa said:
Jackpot!! I'm 44 and have been on TRT since 2007. Recently went from gels to 100mg test cyp every five days. My test level averages 775-1000 now up from 275. I also cyle with SD or Phera or Tren ; whatever i feel like.Use the script to stock up now (get cypionate not testim or androgel) and store it correctly. A couple of cycles a year stacked with good test cyp. Is not going to shove you into permanent TRT. In fact, you may be a legitimate candidate anyway and are just now seeing the signs. Age is not necessarily an indicator of high or low test. Keep going to the Doc and be thankful for that script should you actually need it.
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Hey man,

Can you fill us in on TRT a little more? I can imagine all the PROS of it. Being able to basicly control your testosterone etc etc... but whats the bad news?

What are the CONS to trt?
 
Nothingman said:
Testosterone replacement therapy? I have a question for you. Is that a horrible thing? Does it suplliment to what your natural test would be? Or completly shut you down and take over?
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Tesosterone replacement therapy mimicks the bodys natural testosterone- expect that u have to get injections from a doctor

it doesnt shut you down- if u have to get it u are already shutdown and this is artifical test for the rest of ur life- which in some ways is sweet because u never have to pct- but in other ways- sucks
 
besides having a needle in ur butt on a regular basis i think its sweet
 
the problem with having TRT is that its not even close to levels that you would normally juice with

they might be giving you 100-200mg of test C every 2 weeks, where as if you were cycling you would be doing 1000-1500mg of test C in that same time

a doctor will also be the one to inject it for you most of the time which will keep you from "stocking up" to do a cycle

the doc also might give you test decoanate, which is an extremely long estered test which sometimes is administered once every 3-4 weeks

some people find that the androgel works fine for them, others don't like it, I think its just OCD about not seeing the substance actually go into you, but others have the blood numbers to prove it like posted above

while on TRT your test levels will be monitored by an endo, they'll try to keep them above probably 400 and below 1000, the good thing about this is that you can run any cycle on top of your TRT without worrying about PCT because as soon as you come off your test will just go back to what it was before on TRT 400-1000

the bad thing is that you'll have to depend on a needle to make you normal for the rest of your life
 
can clomid bring him up to normal??

not giving advice here, just wondering.

how about stacking clomid with Testforce for 4 weeks and take it from there?
 
Swellington is right but even the needle pain becomes a non issue when you are feeling like superman. If you can avoid TRT it's probably best, but if you are low then don't deprive yourself. Get the shots, be smart and have fun!! A good doctor won't let you "get stupid" with it anyway, and will monitor you every six months.

One thing to remember, when you have a TRT test coming up, might want to hold off on a couple shots before giving blood. Wouldn't want that T level too high ;)
 
schwellington said:
Tesosterone replacement therapy mimicks the bodys natural testosterone- expect that u have to get injections from a doctor

it doesnt shut you down- if u have to get it u are already shutdown and this is artifical test for the rest of ur life- which in some ways is sweet because u never have to pct- but in other ways- sucks
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some stuff on it before, I guess your nuts turn to peanuts and there have even been cases where the penis shrinks....wtf is up with the penis shrinkage I dont know, how does hormones effect the penis? Maybe blood flow ?

I think people dream of this but dont realize its not very good to be stuck on.

Kind of like an insolen dependant diabetic but nto as many needles

But ****...in my 40's I might not mind it lol
 
Nothingman said:
some stuff on it before, I guess your nuts turn to peanuts and there have even been cases where the penis shrinks....wtf is up with the penis shrinkage I dont know, how does hormones effect the penis? Maybe blood flow ?

I think people dream of this but dont realize its not very good to be stuck on.

Kind of like an insolen dependant diabetic but nto as many needles

But ****...in my 40's I might not mind it lol
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who said your **** would shrink? and HCG is used to keep your nuts
 
just to add.....maybe you got bad nolva. its possible.
 
presa does your doc administer it or do you just get a script to do as you please? it seems like a huge waste of a doctor's time to have to inject it once a week or whatever, i would think it more likely they just give out the script and let the patient administer it himself like insulin shots for a diabetic..
 
on the run said:
presa does your doc administer it or do you just get a script to do as you please? it seems like a huge waste of a doctor's time to have to inject it once a week or whatever, i would think it more likely they just give out the script and let the patient administer it himself like insulin shots for a diabetic..
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I've heard of this working both ways, I think it depends on how the doc has their business set up. Again, this is just from what I've read, not experience. It almost seems like the docs that who make you come in are just out to get their part of the co-pay from your insurance. The docs who give you the vial generally don't take insurance. Again, this is from research, not from experience, so correct me if I am wrong.
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
who said your **** would shrink? and HCG is used to keep your nuts
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I couldnt find the link :( It was an add for natural test boosters though, maybe they were trying to scare people away from trt and into using their product. But the add said penis shrinkage is a side from long term trt. It just doesnt sound possible to me, but hey Im not a doctor or a scientist
 
on the run said:
presa does your doc administer it or do you just get a script to do as you please? it seems like a huge waste of a doctor's time to have to inject it once a week or whatever, i would think it more likely they just give out the script and let the patient administer it himself like insulin shots for a diabetic..
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Sorry this is so late. I give myself my own shots and get a née vial and new pins from cvs when needed. It's sweet !!!
 
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