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Gyno Reducer Log, v.2!

RenegadeRows

RenegadeRows

Well-known member
Beginning Tuesday, September 5th

History/Description
Male, 22 years old. Approx. 165lbs, 5'8", 12% BF.
Gynecomastia since age 12. Pubertal gyno was relatively hard to notice until 2 cycles of Pheraplex later.
Lumps are present.
Fatty bands on the side pectorals are present.
Puffy, enlarged, pointed nipples are present.
No nipple pain/sensitivity/itchiness to speak of, however there is some chest pain when poked a certain way.
*Main goal is to reduce puffiness and lumps.*

Strategy
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Week 1-7
60mg Raloxifene - in the PM
200mg 3x ED - Ibuprofen
.5mL Cabergoline E4D

Week 8-9
30mg Raloxifene - in the PM

Other Supplements - Variables
No drug or alcohol use.
HorsePower (creatine/NO Blend)
Excell (BCAA)
MuscleMilk (protein drink)
Lean Green
Fish Oil
Multi-V

Misc
I will try to post at least once per week with a detailed, informative update of my progress.
As I'm keeping another log detailing my training, this thread will strictly be about gyno reduction.
Please feel free to conversate regarding your own gyno reducing techniques, and we can all share our knowledge.
 
I'm glad to see this log. I'd like to hear more about this raloxifen for gyno reduction. I think it was Beelze that posted a study that said that after two months of use against existing gyno, everyone responded. Best of luck.

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Thanks for the support guys!

DAY 1
50mg ATD before bed

NOTES
I'm going to dose 50mg ATD for a week. At Day 7, I'm going up to 75mg, and adding in the Raloxifene. The reason I'm staying at 50mg is because I'm going away on vacation with my girl and I know that 75mg will kill my libido.

Nothing noticed yet. I'm hoping this ATD the first week will get rid of the 'puffy' look to my nipples that has been present for a while, even when I was dosing 40mg Tamoxifen during post cycle therapy. I've also read that tamoxifen causes the puffy look. Whether or not that is true I don't know.
 
DAY 2
60mg Raloxifene
50mg ATD

NOTES
Well I started the Ralox last night. I couldn't wait. I figured it was getting worse and not better every day that went by, so I started the Ralox.

I'm going to do a cruising dose of 60mg the whole way. The study that Beelz posted on Ralox was at this dose, and the results were amazing, so I am going with that. I will get more days on 60mg than 120mg, and hopefully better results.
 
This is awesome...!

Beelzebub said:
Basic Summary: Raloxifene is a second generation SERM that has been shown to reverse pre-existing gyno as well as show all benefits of first generation SERMs.

**Taken from Superior Muscle**

Selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) are a relatively new family of drugs designed to act as estrogens on some, but not all, tissues.2 Tamoxifen is a first-generation SERM. Raloxifene, a second-generation SERM, has been extensively studied on postmenopausal women, and is indicated for the treatment of postmenopausal osteoporosis.3 It is an alternative to estrogen replacement therapy in women with a history of breast cancer.4, 5 Its anti-proliferative effect on mammary tissue is such that prolonged use reduces the risk of breast cancer among osteoporotic women.6

In a recent placebo-controlled short-term trial, the drug was administered to 34 healthy males (mean age, 48 years) at the dose of 60 mg/day for one month; no subject developed gynocomastia. Besides, serum testosterone increased 20%, and serum estradiol decreased slightly.7

We decided to evaluate the effect of raloxifene in a series of patients with gynocomastia. Twelve patients aged 18-84 years were treated. Breast enlargement was unilateral in 5 cases; its duration ranged from a few weeks (7 cases) to several years (5 cases). Four patients were hypogonadal by clinical criteria, and had low serum testosterone. In two patients there was a possible drug effect (prasterone in one, ranitidine in the other). The size of breast tissue ranged between 1.5 and 6.0 cm. All patients had normal testes by palpation, and normal serum levels of estradiol, LH, FSH, prolactin, and alpha-hCG. Liver function tests and serum creatinine also were normal. The dose of raloxifene was 60 mg every other day in 4 elderly patients (age 70 years or more), and 60 mg daily in the remaining; the medication was given for 2-12 months. Hypogonadal patients received, in addition, i.m. injections of testosterone enanthate, 100 mg twice a month.

Raloxifene was well tolerated; only one young patient reported a slight decrease in sexual potency. No subject complained of hot flushes; there were no episodes of thrombophlebitis during follow-up. The analgesic effect of treatment was fast (2-4 weeks) and sustained among 9 patients with pain and tenderness. The size of the gynocomastia was evaluated monthly by means of a caliper (all patients), and ultrasonography (7 patients). All patients responded: there was an average reduction in size of 61% (range: 34-100%); in 2 patients gynocomastia disappeared. Six of 8 eugonadal patients (75%) had a reduction in the size of breast tissue of at least 50% (average, 73%). Among hypogonadal patients (all of them followed with ultrasonography) gynocomastia disappeared in one, and size reduction in the remaining subjects ranged between 46 and 67% (this is particularly noteworthy, since testosterone replacement not infrequently causes or aggravates gynocomastia due to local aromatization to estrogens by mammary tissue). Maximal effect was observed during the first 2 months of treatment.

This open, observational study suggests that raloxifene may be a safe, well tolerated and effective therapeutic alternative for drug-induced or idiopathic gynocomastia in men of all ages.

Zulema Man, MD.
TIEMPO, Buenos Aires, Argentina

Ariel S??nchez, MD, PhD;
Hugo Carretto, MD;
Ricardo Parma, MD.
Centro de Endocrinolog??a, Rosario, Argentina

References

1. Khan HN, Blamey RW. Endocrine treatment of physiological gynaecomastia. Br Med J 2003;327:301-2.

2. Compston JE. Selective oestrogen receptor modulators: potential therapeutic implications. Clin Endocrinol 1998;48:389-91.

3. Agnusdei D, Iori N. Raloxifene: results from the MORE study. J Musculoskel Neuron Interact 2000;1:127-32.

4. Cummings SR, Eckert S, Krueger KA, Grady D, Powles TJ, Cauley JA, Norton L, Nickelsen T, Bjarnasson NH, Morrow M, Lippman ME, Black D, Glusman JE, Costa A, Jordan VC. The effect of raloxifene on risk of breast cancer in postmenopausal women. J Am Med Ass 1999;281:2189-97.

5. Mincey BA, Morahan TJ, Perez EA. Prevention and treatment of osteoporosis in women with breast cancer. Mayo Clin Proc 2000;75:821-9.

6. Cauley JA, Norton L, Lippman ME, Eckert S, Krueger KA, Purdie DW, Farrerons J, Karasik A, Mellstrom D, Ng KW, Stepan JJ, Powles TJ, Morrow M, Costa A, Silfen SL, Walls EL, Schmitt H, Muchmore DM, Jordan VC. Continued breast cancer risk reduction in postmenopausal women treated with raloxifene: 4-year results from the MORE trial. Breast Cancer Res Treatment 2001;65:125-34.

7. Uebelhart B, Bonjour JP, Draper MW, Pavo I, Basson R, Rizzoli R. Effects of selective estrogen receptor modulator raloxifene on the pituitary gonadal axis in healthy males (Abstract). J Bone Miner Res 2000;15(Suppl 1):S453.
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DAY 3
60mg Raloxifene


NOTES
Dropping the ATD from the cycle. I'm going with a protocol based around long term Raloxifene dosed @ 60mg, which is what all the studies are based around. I figure the ATD isn't helping me acheive homeostasis and therefor I dropped it.

Third day, nothing to report. I've read Ralox takes about 2 weeks to start working. Still puffy nipples, and gland tissue prevelant, however it does not seem to be as sore.

I'm also looking into Turmeric. I've read reports how this herb is used to fight Gynecomastia in the asian world. I will follow up on this later.
 
DAY 3
60mg Raloxifene


NOTES
Nothing new to report.
Think i'm getting sore throat, from the cold weather or Ralox I don't know.
My breasts seem to have gone down A LITTLE from about a week ago, but I'm not saying anything yet. It may actually be water weight/bloat disappearing from the few days of ATD I did.
By the way, if this Ralox doesn't work I may try an ATD-only cycle with RR. I had a dream that RR was what cured my gyno :) cheesy i know, but when you live with something like gyno it will bug you all the time. even in your dreams!

Gyno is annoying man. I'm very lean, and cut. I'm about 10% right now and I never go over 13%BF. My abs are tight, arms, shoulders, legs, but this damn gyno makes my chest look saggy, flabby, and droopy. Horrible!

Surgery is out of the question. Too expensive, I would feel guilty spending that much. No dice for the slice
 
Renegade,
Are you keeping any picture logs to use for comparison?

Also, can you explain better what you mean by "fatty bands on the side pectorals" ?
 
Lanbane said:
Renegade,
Are you keeping any picture logs to use for comparison?

Also, can you explain better what you mean by "fatty bands on the side pectorals" ?
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I'm not keeping pictures, sorry! I apologize for all u booby collectors out there!

There is a band of fat that goes from the outside of my nipple horizontally out towards my back until it lines up with my pec/delt tie-in region. It's about 3" in diameter. It's hard to see, but since I am lean it really takes away from the shape of my pectoral.
 
RenegadeRows said:
I'm not keeping pictures, sorry! I apologize for all u booby collectors out there!

There is a band of fat that goes from the outside of my nipple horizontally out towards my back until it lines up with my pec/delt tie-in region. It's about 3" in diameter. It's hard to see, but since I am lean it really takes away from the shape of my pectoral.
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haha... didn't want check out your rack... just wanting to know what these fat bands were. Good description though. Wondering if it is what I have... but to a lesser degree. To the outside of each nipple, there is a fatty deposit similar to what you described, but it doesn't go that far back. Never done any PH's or roids either.
 
Lanbane said:
haha... didn't want check out your rack... just wanting to know what these fat bands were. Good description though. Wondering if it is what I have... but to a lesser degree. To the outside of each nipple, there is a fatty deposit similar to what you described, but it doesn't go that far back. Never done any PH's or roids either.
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That's exactly what it is. Fat deposits on the outside of the pectoral that resemble bands (more or less pronounced from person to person.) I've had mine since puberty too.
 
Have you given up Renegade? Ralox studies say best results with gyno happened in two months. At least give it that long.
 
axekick said:
Have you given up Renegade? Ralox studies say best results with gyno happened in two months. At least give it that long.
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Sorry guys - I've given up. Ralox was making me feel kind of strange. To be specific, it made my nuts hurt :( Could be due to something else, but I stopped dosing and it went away. Sorry for not completing the log...maybe i'll try it again soon
 
I've got some ralox on the way. I only got one month worth, but I will get some more if I don't have any problems and run for two months straight. I'll post results in here if there are any.
 
axekick said:
I've got some ralox on the way. I only got one month worth, but I will get some more if I don't have any problems and run for two months straight. I'll post results in here if there are any.
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That would be great man, thanks!
 
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