Gyno on prohormones

[SFBlueNile]

I am 3 weeks into a cycle of 1 dhea (220mg) Epiandro (900 mg) and Dermacrine... Everything has been fine until last few days I feel like my nipples (not the breast or areolas) are always hard and occasionally get a slight itchy sensation when my shirt or something brushes up against them. My question is how much of this is normal and to be expected? Should I drop the Dermacrine? Should I stop everything and go straight to PCT?

 

[SFBlueNile]

Edit: 2 weeks into the 1dhea, 3 weeks into the Epiandro/Dermacrine.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

for me personally I would try dropping the dermacrine. of those supplements, it contains both DHEA and Pregnenolone. Epi and 1 DHEA are both DHT derivatives.
its not uncommon to feel these nipple things when cycling ... leave them alone. dont itch or play with them tits

 

[UnrealMachine]

For me hard nips meant low estro environment
Nips going soft and puffy meant a high estro environment (or prolactin issue) or just a temporary warm body state

Estro on epiandro or dermacine is a bit counterintuitive to me.

 

[Smont]

I am 3 weeks into a cycle of 1 dhea (220mg) Epiandro (900 mg) and Dermacrine... Everything has been fine until last few days I feel like my nipples (not the breast or areolas) are always hard and occasionally get a slight itchy sensation when my shirt or something brushes up against them. My question is how much of this is normal and to be expected? Should I drop the Dermacrine? Should I stop everything and go straight to PCT?

Typically if your getting gyno yiur nipples won't be hard, usually the opposite, the areolas and nips will be soft and puffy, slightly swollen. But itchy nips can be a sign. Do you have a real anti estrogen or Nolvadex on hand? Or raloxifene

 

[SFBlueNile]

Typically if your getting gyno yiur nipples won't be hard, usually the opposite, the areolas and nips will be soft and puffy, slightly swollen. But itchy nips can be a sign. Do you have a real anti estrogen or Nolvadex on hand? Or raloxifene

I was planning Nolvadex if anything at all. Previously tried ultra hard and Dermacrine without a real pct and seemed to recover alright.

 

[Smont]

I was planning Nolvadex if anything at all. Previously tried ultra hard and Dermacrine without a real pct and seemed to recover alright.

Seemed to recover alright is a total guess, you can literally have the testosterone levels of a 90 year old man and feel alright. But to each there own. Right now I would start taking 20mg of Nolvadex a day or I would take 12.5 mg of exemastane. If it's gyno the sensation should go away in 24 to 48 hours.

 

[Mikereyn513]

I swear it seems like all these prohormones are harder to run than real gear and yiu get about 10% of the results. Atleast the prohormones in the 2000s were close to the real thing

 

[Mikereyn513]

If I have a chance at gyno I better be getting steroid like results

 

[Renew1]

I was just proud to see someone use the word "PH" correctly.

I agree with @Smont 's post above.
Take Nolva or a real AI, and see if it goes away.

 

[Smont]

I was just proud to see someone use the word "PH" correctly.

I agree with @Smont 's post above.
Take Nolva or a real AI, and see if it goes away.

Is that because everyone calls all the designers prohormones? The use of the word prohormones has really gotten twisted and misused for pretty much anything other then the old school traditional steroids.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

correct. a PH is not active to an appreciable degree and must convert in the body to an active hormone.
Designer steriods are not PHs and many are highly active before any conversion, if any takes place.

 

[Smont]

correct. a PH is not active to an appreciable degree and must convert in the body to an active hormone.

Are the Andros the only true prohormones still around?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Are the Andros the only true prohormones still around?

IMO yes. unless you find something like 4AD, 1AD ect from euro retailers. in the US tho... pretty much DHEAs are the only ones left.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

i want to reiterate that, DS's can convert too. but as I mentioned they are usually active in the form you receive them to a degree, but some can also convert.. a good example would be Desigers like M1,4d trenavar and the likes.. they convert downstream into their parent hormones. dbol and tren in this case.

 

[Renew1]

Is that because everyone calls all the designers prohormones? The use of the word prohormones has really gotten twisted and misused for pretty much anything other then the old school traditional steroids.

Yep.

Most of the "PH" threads are really just (Designer) Steroid threads.

LOL. ...... Oh well, the "supplement" companies started it.

 

[Renew1]

i want to reiterate that, DS's can convert too. but as I mentioned they are usually active in the form you receive them to a degree, but some can also convert.. a good example would be Desigers like M1,4d trenavar and the likes.. they convert downstream into their parent hormones. dbol and tren in this case.

Almost any Steroid converts to a degree....
I'm on some pretty gnarly "PHs" at the moment, myself.
LOL

 

[Smont]

i want to reiterate that, DS's can convert too. but as I mentioned they are usually active in the form you receive them to a degree, but some can also convert.. a good example would be Desigers like M1,4d trenavar and the likes.. they convert downstream into their parent hormones. dbol and tren in this case.

Ya i know what you mean, real steroids too, deca to dhn, eq to dhb, even testosterone is a prohormone to dht, estrogen and 50 other things. But a tru prohormone is only active once it converts to the target hormone.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Ya i know what you mean, real steroids too, deca to dhn, eq to dhb, even testosterone is a prohormone to dht, estrogen and 50 other things. But a tru prohormone is only active once it converts to the target hormone.

well lets atleast not blurr the lines between downstream metabolism and conversions. dont want to start any new trends!

 

[Smont]

well lets atleast no blurr the lines between downstream metabolism and conversions. dont want to start any new trends!

Good point. I'm mixing up the 2

 

[Smont]

Not relevant to this conversation about ph but we're in so many threads right now I'm starting to get confused and there bluring togther

 

[SFBlueNile]

for me personally I would try dropping the dermacrine. of those supplements, it contains both DHEA and Pregnenolone. Epi and 1 DHEA are both DHT derivatives.
its not uncommon to feel these nipple things when cycling ... leave them alone. dont itch or play with them tits

Thanks, I've got some nolva on the way but I think I'm going to try this first. This being my second DHEA cycle, and I had same feeling last time midway through on 5 pumps of Dermacrine, I lowered to 2 pumps and things improved. This time around I've only been using 2 pumps but will drop it and see.

 

[Smont]

Thanks, I've got some nolva on the way but I think I'm going to try this first. This being my second DHEA cycle, and I had same feeling last time midway through on 5 pumps of Dermacrine, I lowered to 2 pumps and things improved. This time around I've only been using 2 pumps but will drop it and see.

That's why you should have everything on hand, if removing dermacrine doesn't work and a lump starts to form in the next few days your stuck living with gyno running gyno protocols 2 or 3 times a year for the rest of your life. Or until you dish out 5k for gyno surgery

I know this because It happened to me

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

That's why you should have everything on hand, if removing dermacrine doesn't work and a lump starts to form in the next few days your stuck living with gyno running gyno protocols 2 or 3 times a year for the rest of your life. Or until you dish out 5k for gyno surgery

I know this because It happened to me

it just because your passive aggressive

 

[Smont]

it just because your passive aggressive

Oh that guy, you should go read his latest post about why you should run all your cycles and orals and 2 grams of tren back to back to back with no off time and if you want gains you gotta feel like **** lol

 

[SSJ4GOD]

Oh that guy, you should go read his latest post about why you should run all your cycles and orals and 2 grams of tren back to back to back with no off time and if you want gains you gotta feel like **** lol

But…how’s your diet?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

But…how’s your diet?

the common fallacy would be; "on point"

 

[Smont]

But…how’s your diet?

I know your joking, but Lately, pretty bad lol. I been sick on and off for weeks. So when I'm hungry I eat healthy but I'm not nearly as hungry as I usually am so I been eating lots of crap food to fill in the gaps. I can eat chicken tacos, steak burritos and cookies even when I'm not hungry .

Meal prepping today to get back on track again

 

[Smont]

the common fallacy would be; "on point"

Well I'm pointing twords taco bell and oreos

 

[SSJ4GOD]

Well I'm pointing twords taco bell and oreos

Just saw a video of a guy who ate Taco Bell for 30 days (nothing else similar to super size me) and he lost weight and cholesterol dropped. So healthy it is lol

 

[Smont]

Just saw a video of a guy who ate Taco Bell for 30 days (nothing else similar to super size me) and he lost weight and cholesterol dropped. So healthy it is lol

If that's true then he's normal diet had to be worse then taco bell. I will say this, taco bell has many reasonable items on there menu in comparison to other fast food joints and pizza places

 

[SSJ4GOD]

If that's true then he's normal diet had to be worse then taco bell. I will say this, taco bell has many reasonable items on there menu in comparison to other fast food joints and pizza places

In comparison to damn Olive Garden too. I almost threw up when I saw the nutrition facts for the seafood Alfredo I would get there before. That restaurant has to be the worst one for you and that’s not even adding in the breadsticks

 

[Stacks1]

For me hard nips meant low estro environment
Nips going soft and puffy meant a high estro environment (or prolactin issue) or just a temporary warm body state

Estro on epiandro or dermacine is a bit counterintuitive to me.

I actually have heard of some people developing hard nips as part of gyno. It's quite uncommon but I have seen it before. The puffy is usually the norm though.

 

[Stacks1]

In comparison to damn Olive Garden too. I almost threw up when I saw the nutrition facts for the seafood Alfredo I would get there before. That restaurant has to be the worst one for you and that’s not even adding in the breadsticks

Almost all those chains are bad. Many years ago I went to the Cheesecake Factory and couldn't find a meal under a couple thousand calories. I haven't returned since. It could be different now... that was probably around 15 years ago.

 

[Smont]

Almost all those chains are bad. Many years ago I went to the Cheesecake Factory and couldn't find a meal under a couple thousand calories. I haven't returned since. It could be different now... that was probably around 15 years ago.

I grew up with my family owning restaurants. Aside from the fact that the chains are super unhealthy even the family owned places use a lot of oil and butter. If yiur watching your diet you really need to give special instructions to the server like no oil or whatever. Then you have to hope they actually give a ****. Chicken and rice from most restaurants are going to have almost double the fat and calories as you grilling chicken and steaming rice.

 

[Stacks1]

I grew up with my family owning restaurants. Aside from the fact that the chains are super unhealthy even the family owned places use a lot of oil and butter. If yiur watching your diet you really need to give special instructions to the server like no oil or whatever. Then you have to hope they actually give a ****. Chicken and rice from most restaurants are going to have almost double the fat and calories as you grilling chicken and steaming rice.

Oh yeah no question about it. Fat is off the charts when eating out. You can get the leanest cut of meat at a steakhouse but then you see the amount of butter it's cooked in...

 

[Mikereyn513]

I know your joking, but Lately, pretty bad lol. I been sick on and off for weeks. So when I'm hungry I eat healthy but I'm not nearly as hungry as I usually am so I been eating lots of crap food to fill in the gaps. I can eat chicken tacos, steak burritos and cookies even when I'm not hungry .

Meal prepping today to get back on track again

That ho @ss little Debbie and her slut friends lol

 

[Mikereyn513]

the common fallacy would be; "on point"

Now thats hilarious remind me not to say that anymore but all you bros know damn well im good

 

[Mikereyn513]

I grew up with my family owning restaurants. Aside from the fact that the chains are super unhealthy even the family owned places use a lot of oil and butter. If yiur watching your diet you really need to give special instructions to the server like no oil or whatever. Then you have to hope they actually give a ****. Chicken and rice from most restaurants are going to have almost double the fat and calories as you grilling chicken and steaming rice.

Don't know if you guys have bjs out there on the east coast it started as a microbrewerie/restaurant in San Diego but they're all over Cali now and you can get legit bodybuilding food on there menu they list macros and all. Also Japanese Tappan tables are pretty good

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Chicken and rice from most restaurants are going to have almost double the fat and calories as you grilling chicken and steaming rice.

I don't see this as a problem

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Don't know if you guys have bjs out there on the east coast it started as a microbrewerie/restaurant in San Diego but they're all over Cali now and you can get legit bodybuilding food on there menu they list macros and all. Also Japanese Tappan tables are pretty good

Thai food is gtg alot of times, theres a couple dishes to avoid for sugar but its usually low fat and moderate carbs. I love the garden chicken rolls~

 

[Stacks1]

Don't know if you guys have bjs out there on the east coast it started as a microbrewerie/restaurant in San Diego but they're all over Cali now and you can get legit bodybuilding food on there menu they list macros and all. Also Japanese Tappan tables are pretty good

I'm on the east coast and got 2 bjs last week but neither of them served me any food.

 

[Burnfire]

Haha loved this movie as a kid. Yeah I ate out an Asian chick once. I agree very low fat.

 

[Smont]

I'm on the east coast and got 2 bjs last week but neither of them served me any food.

I got a BJ yesterday but I had to serve her food lol

 

[SSJ4GOD]

I got a BJ yesterday but I had to serve her food lol

This is usually the way with my wife as well. Food and an ice cream = favors lol

 

[Smont]

This is usually the way with my wife as well. Food and an ice cream = favors lol

Yeah I usually gotta Bribe her with sushi, Starbucks, or Ben and Jerry's on a Waffle cone

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

blow job bribery?











Brilliant!

 

[Rad83]

…yeah I’ve been to one and snapped it

 

[Renew1]

…yeah I’ve been to one and snapped it

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[xR1pp3Rx]

#falseadvertising

It's kind of like the term "Head Nurse".
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urology dept is that way ------------->