Guidance to SERM
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Wilderbeast
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You sir may not source check on this forum. Good day.
BEAST
BEAST
CrazyChemist
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Don't post threads about askign for sources. Asking for a PM about sources is the same thing and the mods do not like it. Nolvadex is a RESEARCH CHEMICAL and thus can be legally purchased in the U.S..
CrazyChemist
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20mg for 4 weeks? What's the cycle though? And isnt the liquid usually more like 10mg/ml or 20mg/ml? If its 1mg/ml that'd mean you'd need 20mL a night? :twak: Idk maybe i'm missing something.
JIXXER
Member
Thanx for looking out Crazy Chemist
and for clarifying for me TravisG
Not trying to source chk, just guidance. I should have been more clear.
I wanted to get a census on how to go about Nol.
Great stuff thanx again
This is the cycle Im looking @
WEEK 1
Halo-Drol-25mg,Superdrol-25mg,PheraPlex-10mg,6OXO-100mgTWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
WEEK 2
Halo-Drol-25mg,Superdrol-25mg,PheraPlex-10mg,6OXO-100mg TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
WEEK 3
2 HARD & NATURAL TWICE DAILY
WEEK 4
Halo-Drol-25mg,Superdrol-25mg,PheraPlex-10mg,6OXO-100mg TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
WEEK 5
Halo-Drol-25mg,Superdrol-25mg,PheraPlex-10mg,6OXO-100mg TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
arimEVOL DAILY
WEEK 6
arimEVOL TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
2 HARD & NATURAL TWICE DAILY
WEEK 7
arimEVOL TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
HARD & NATURAL TWICE DAILY
WEEK 8
arimEVOL TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
HARD & NATURAL DAILY
Then Nol for PCT with reccomendations
Is it cool that I put the whole cycle up, just trying to be clear on what I'm doing.
and for clarifying for me TravisG
Not trying to source chk, just guidance. I should have been more clear.
I wanted to get a census on how to go about Nol.
Great stuff thanx again
This is the cycle Im looking @
WEEK 1
Halo-Drol-25mg,Superdrol-25mg,PheraPlex-10mg,6OXO-100mgTWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
WEEK 2
Halo-Drol-25mg,Superdrol-25mg,PheraPlex-10mg,6OXO-100mg TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
WEEK 3
2 HARD & NATURAL TWICE DAILY
WEEK 4
Halo-Drol-25mg,Superdrol-25mg,PheraPlex-10mg,6OXO-100mg TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
WEEK 5
Halo-Drol-25mg,Superdrol-25mg,PheraPlex-10mg,6OXO-100mg TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
arimEVOL DAILY
WEEK 6
arimEVOL TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
2 HARD & NATURAL TWICE DAILY
WEEK 7
arimEVOL TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
HARD & NATURAL TWICE DAILY
WEEK 8
arimEVOL TWICE DAILY
MILK THISTLE EXTRACT TWICE DAILY
CHRYSIN DAILY
HARD & NATURAL DAILY
Then Nol for PCT with reccomendations
Is it cool that I put the whole cycle up, just trying to be clear on what I'm doing.
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
np bro. let us know if you need anything else. :cheers:
CrazyChemist
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its all good. glad we agree.
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
At first glance cycle looks pretty decent. Glad to see you got the milk thistle in there. Generally I advise 2 orals max but your dosing and stack seem ok. I'll take a second look tomorrow tho and let you know, ok? Gotta go play with the wife :biggthumpup:
Wilderbeast
Member
I am a little confused on your cycle layout. I think I have seen this kind of a layout before somewhere. I think some vitamin store owner was recommending it to some kids. Do not get your usage advice on supplements / hormones from the people you buy them from. This cycle layout is NOT a good idea. If you insist on running the three methyls together, you should run them a maximum of 3-4 CONSECUTIVE weeks. Breaking them apart into two two week runs is pointless. Save the chrysin and Hard and Natural for your PCT, if you really want to run them. I personally would not run arimEVOL with this cycle. ArimEVOL contains epistane and two anti-estrogens. You can run up to 2 pills of the arimEVOL in the first 2-4 weeks of your PCT if you really want to. (10mg epi MAX first thing in the morning ONLY). This goes against what alot of people will tell you, but this would be feasible:
Week 1 - Week 4
Halodrol, Phera, SD
Milk thistle
PCT:
Week 5-6
arimEVOL 2 caps first thing in morning ONLY - (OPTIONAL)
Nolva (go with clomid or torem if you can) 40/40 ED
Chrysin
Week 7-8
arimEVOL 2 caps first thing in morning ONLY - (OPTIONAL)
Nolva 20/20
Chrysin
Hard & Natural
6OXO 400/300
Week 9-10
6OXO 200/100
Hard & Natural
As I said before, the arimEVOL is not the best choice for a PCT. It is probably too much to add to your actual cycle also (that would be 4 Methyl Steroids at one time). If you use it in this cycle at all I would only do 1-2 caps first thing in the morning during the first few weeks of PCT. If you have any other questions or are not clear on what I am saying feel free to PM me.
BEAST
Wilderbeast
Member
No. Torem is better than Nolva IMO (I do not have the link, but research seems to show that unlike tamox, torem upregulates HPTA in a similar fashion to clomid while blocking the receptor in breast tissue better than clomid). Toremifene is typically run as follows (for a harsh cycle):
Week 1
120 for 3 days, 90 for remainder of week 1
Week 2
60 mg ED
Week 3-4
30 mg ED
Some guys I know actually prefer running all their SERMS in the following fashion:
6 weeks total (5 weeks at full dose and one week at half dose)
i.e. TOREM:
Week 1-5
60mg ED
Week 6
30mg ED
BEAST
JIXXER
Member
Sweet....Info
Yea, this stack Im sure is out there. Just trying to better suit it for me, and get some census on it.
Great feed back, and coverage
I'll take all the advice I can get.
I'm going to use Tore in place of Tamox
Again fellas thanx for the breakdowns and support. Glad I joined!!
Yea, this stack Im sure is out there. Just trying to better suit it for me, and get some census on it.
Great feed back, and coverage
I'll take all the advice I can get.
I'm going to use Tore in place of Tamox
Again fellas thanx for the breakdowns and support. Glad I joined!!
fightbackhxc
Well-known member
dude call me crazy but if your doing that experience of a stack shouldnt you have a good idea on how to dose Nolva??????
How many cycles have you ran previous to this one?
How many cycles have you ran previous to this one?
JIXXER
Member
3; and not this compounded, Experience, well that's why I'm here..try to learn me some
Nah not really, I have never used Nol, recommend to though. Besides I never just hear only one side of the story before calling someone a liar.
Best place to get both sides, is HERE.
Was also given a recommended dose (seemed HIGH), again I want to know whats out there before I take advice from a friend or foe....
Out with Tamox in with Tore....if you didn't know, now you do....:01:
Nah not really, I have never used Nol, recommend to though. Besides I never just hear only one side of the story before calling someone a liar.
Best place to get both sides, is HERE.
Was also given a recommended dose (seemed HIGH), again I want to know whats out there before I take advice from a friend or foe....
Out with Tamox in with Tore....if you didn't know, now you do....:01:
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
Good to hear you've got cycle experience. Have you run H-drol, SD, and phera before? SD dosing at 50mg ED is really high IMO. Same with the h-drol. The phera dose seems okay. Beasts cycle with lower doses is the best route to go IMO. You should see decent results and run lower risks of developing sides. I also think you're going to be shutdown pretty hard after this cycle and you should use nolva or clomid not torem.
fightbackhxc
Well-known member
all im trying to say is that if this is your first cycle then you probably shouldnt run a stack like that.
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
I think the 3 meant he's run 3 cycles before but i agree that cycle is pretty harsh. Might want to tone down doses or drop one of the orals.
liftin4fun
Active member
Have you ran these seperatley to see how you react to them before stacking them together? Also, the Superdrol will produce fast results where the H drol really starts to kick in week 3-6. Have you ever had high blood pressure while on cycle? You might want to consider that too.
JIXXER
Member
From what I researched, Torem is supposed to be stronger and more effective than Nolva (Tamox). And I already picked some up...BALLS..literally
Yea Phera (Clone of it) once @ 10mg/20/20/ED....SD @ 10mg/20/20 but not ran the other...separately or compounded until now...Phera and SD were also run separate.
Blood pressure..High..slightly while on cycle....I've haven't used BP support in the past, unless you guys have reccommendations.
Just drank plenty of water, cut the caffeine and no (or @ least none) sodium intake and cardio (Run Forest Run).
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
You mean low sodium intake or no added sodium, right? I get high BP on cycle but once i go off cycle it drops down again. Just monitor it for those weeks on cycle to make sure you dont blow an o-ring:knockedout:
fightbackhxc
Well-known member
I would take a cycle support at as well.
Mikey851
Active member
You could run all three compounds for 3 weeks and then drop the SD and increase your dosage of Hdrol to 75mg a day. This would allow for a kickstart with the SD and then the added Hdrol would help balance the "wet" gains of the Phera for the remainder of the cycle. This would also decrease the harshness of the cycle by cutting the SD at week 3.
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
yup - like i tell my wife, just swallow
JIXXER
Member
:wtf1:
:knockedout::knockedout:
From my understanding you measure it out and perferably mix with a drink...whhoolllaaa..instant Kocktail...
I said Kock...and you said swallow...
IDK if its inject capable.....??
Only dumb question is the question not asked...unless you already knew the answer
Knowledge is power!
Mikey851
Active member
No, do not inject it.
The way I would take it is take a drink of juice and leave it in your mouth. Squirt the SERM in and swallow it all down.
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
How are you going to get a prescription from your doctor? tell him you are on steroids and need PCT? If he'll write you an Rx then that'd be the cheapest way since you probably only pay $10-$20 co-pay for an Rx med and you KNOW you are getting top quality. However I doubt that he'll just give you the Rx. His prescriptions are reviewed and he needs to justify writing it. Which means you need a notation in your chart that says you are juicing. Which you may not want to have.
Just to reiterate - DO NOT INJECT IT! It is an oral medication in liquid form. DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT INJECT IT. That being said, i dont think the taste is that bad. I just squirt it in and swallow.
JIXXER
Member
Cassavus
Guest
Glad I found this thread. I was curious if a liquid serm was taken orally or not. Good to know. How do you guys measure the dosage out? Use a syringe?
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
some of us have syringes lying around anyway so :shrug:
gamer2be08
Banned
And good choice with torm, I heard great things about it, and hopefully it will be replacing nolva as my pct for good!
JIXXER
Member
Dosing Calculator
Dosing is another WEB!...to figure out how many ml you need you need to know
the strength of the PCT..IE...1800mg/30ml...so here there is 1800mg(s) in a
30ml bottle. Now divide 1800 by 30 = 60. So we now know that in every 1ml
there is 60mg(s) of PCT at least with this bottle. Now that we know that, we
then take our wanted dose amount of 40mg and divide 40 by 60 = 0.666666667
or better yet 0.67ml of a 1ml syringe! Hope this makes since :trink26:
If not gooogle mg to ml calculator....I would post the link but not too sure if
I'm allowed to.
:gotsearch
Dosing is another WEB!...to figure out how many ml you need you need to know
the strength of the PCT..IE...1800mg/30ml...so here there is 1800mg(s) in a
30ml bottle. Now divide 1800 by 30 = 60. So we now know that in every 1ml
there is 60mg(s) of PCT at least with this bottle. Now that we know that, we
then take our wanted dose amount of 40mg and divide 40 by 60 = 0.666666667
or better yet 0.67ml of a 1ml syringe! Hope this makes since :trink26:
If not gooogle mg to ml calculator....I would post the link but not too sure if
I'm allowed to.
:gotsearch
CrazyChemist
Well-known member
yup ^^ or you could just skip the middle step, i.e. -
volume to take = (desired mg) / (total mg / total ml)
example: vol = 40mg / (1800mg/30mL) = 0.67mL
OR
volume to take = (desired mg) / (concentration in mg/ml)
example: vol = 40mg / (60 mg/mL) = 0.67mL
EDIT: The first equation can be rearranged as follows:
vol to take = (desired mg * total mL) / total mg = (40mg * 30mL)/(1800mg)=0.67mL
volume to take = (desired mg) / (total mg / total ml)
example: vol = 40mg / (1800mg/30mL) = 0.67mL
OR
volume to take = (desired mg) / (concentration in mg/ml)
example: vol = 40mg / (60 mg/mL) = 0.67mL
EDIT: The first equation can be rearranged as follows:
vol to take = (desired mg * total mL) / total mg = (40mg * 30mL)/(1800mg)=0.67mL
Cassavus
Guest
Haha, thanks guys for the dosing equations. :thumbsup:
indianballer
Member
Hey guys not to hijack but I have a quick question for anyone. I've heard conflicting opinions on the dose relation between tamoxifen and tamoxifen citrate. I've seen one source claiming that 30.8 mg's of citrate was = to 20 mg's of tamoxifen, and another thread I saw a while back said it was like 23 to 20 or something rather negligible.
Mikey851
Active member
I am almost positive it's 15mg tamoxifen in 20mg of tamoxifen citrate. There are some research chems that specify that they are adjusted for the difference.
Read this thread: Invalid Link Removed
The above is one of many threads you can find by just searching liquid nolva dosing.
0.5ml= 7mg tamoxifen
1.0ml=14mg
1.5ml=21mg
2.0ml=28mg
2.5ml=35mg
3.0ml=42mg
3.5ml=49mg
4.0ml=56mg
4.5ml=63mg
5.0ml=70mg
indianballer
Member
thank you I appreciate it and I really should have searched harder but I'm cramped for time lately and I kind of figured this would be an appropriate thread to just ask a quick question and get a quick answer in. And I did, and I thank you very much like I said. Much appreciated bro.
b9cist
Member
What would the dosage of the Torem be for a lighter DS like H-Drol? Been reading good things about Torem, am interested in using this instead of Nolva.
Mikey851
Active member
No problem man; I wasn't saying you should have searched harder. I was just saying that by searching liquid nolva dosing you will find multiple threads that say the same thing, and that is how I deduce what is true from false on the internet. If you find the same information in alot of different places it's either true or everybody is dead wrong.
JIXXER
Member
In cases like this do we still round? 0.67 round up 0.7?
round down 0.6? Or be super accurate with our eye dropper..lol...and hit 0.67 dead on with a laser leveler?
I'm sure someone looking at this is wondering this exact same thing