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Greetings from a Newb

TEP25

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Hello everyone,

I'm new to the idea of anabolics/androgens and I wanted to get some advice from some of the experts on here.

Just a little background info, I've always had a hard time putting on muscle, and an even harder time staying shredded.
After posting in the weight loss section here, I learned that I wasn't eating often enough to help my fat burning efforts.
Since then, I've been able to fire up my metabolic rate (literally sweating everytime I eat, lol) and I've been gaining a consistent amount of muscle
mass and strength gains have been progressive.

Now I have visited an endocrinologist to see if my hormones are in check, but have to wait until august to get the bloodwork and follow up appointment done.
I have tested for Testosterone in the past, and the results were lower than I expected... (390 ng/dl).. Being that the range is 250-1000 that really discouraged me. I did this test in January, and I was about 260lbs... Since then i've dropped to about 230lbs, so i'm assuming that number will read higher this time around.

Anyways, I wanted to ask you all about starting an efficient cycle.
From what i'm reading, and correct me if i'm wrong, Dianabol is a mild androgen/anabolic... Would doing a cycle of Dianabol with a PCT of Estrogenex be something worth while, seeing that i'm not looking for such an aggressive substance???

I'd really appreciate some advice from you folks.
Thanks
 
im also a bit confused as to how you have a hard time putting on muscle, but you weigh 230lbs? that just means your diet / exercise are nowhere near on point. but, since you say you are gaining muscle and strength naturally already and it's progressive, then why not keep on going naturally and then use AAS to overcome the plateau. just a suggestion.
 
Anavar is MILD. AndroMASS is MILD. H-drol is MILD. Epistane is MILD.
 
Thank you for the responses everyone....

Yes, I do not know much about Anabolics... From the responses, the consensus seems to be that H-Drol is more mild than Dbol. Thanks for the clarification.

I have heard of the term AAS, does that imply an anti-aromatase product?

And to answer you're question LaserBlue, yes, my diet is not on point yet.... My weight fluctuates because of the inconsistencies, but i'm trying to get that in order at the moment..

Any more advice would be greatly appreciated,
thanks
 
Man, all this reading is making me more confused!!!!

From what i'm reading, a cycle of Hdrol/11-oxo/ and a pct might be something I can look into.
AndroMass looks like a great product too....

Ahhhhhhh.... This is frustrating
 
AAS means anabolic androgenic substance. or steroid. lol, dont fret man, just keep on researching and reading. and yes, an h-drol/ 11 oxo cycle would be good for a first timer. pm me if you have any specific concerns / questions that you don't wanna ask publicly.
 
It be more worth while to invest in some AndroMASS bro. Safer, more expensive though, but nothing but great reviews and logs. Once you run a cycle of that, with a great PCT ,then step up to da' AAS's!!
 
Owlicks, I'm over 20% body fat.
I actually used to be a lean 175 back in '07... those were my fighting days though, lol

TheMeatus, that makes a lot more sense then jumping straight into a AAS cycle.
Could anyone tell me a bit more about androMass, and their lineup of products... Do they actually contain anabolic/androgenic qualities??
I've found a reputable source of Liquid Clomid to serve as a SERM, but can anyone point me towards a solid PCT??
Thanks for the responses guys, hope to hear from you soon.
 
That is about what I suspected... The reason why I asked about your bodyfat is that at over 20%, you still need to work on getting everything balanced out. I would not even think about AAS at this point. At best you'll look like a bloated mess, and at worst you'll do yourself some permanent damage. The first step if you want real results is to get really serious about your diet. By this I don't just mean eating good foods. I mean use a calorie tracker (MyFitnessPal), track everything you eat, and adjust your macronutrients down to a science. You will be amazed at what a difference this alone will make. Continue to lift hard while doing this and you will likely continue to see gains while you are getting even leaner. IMO it is not even worth it to think about AAS until you are ~10% or less bodyfat and you have plateaued in your strength gains. It may take a long time to get to that point, but I don't think you will be discouraged with the results. I am honestly still not at a point where I would consider AAS even though I am edging on single digit bodyfat. Given proper nutrition, training, and supplements you can generate some very impressive results with relatively few risks.
 
Very good advice owlicks.
I'm going to stick with the natty way, and tighten up the diet.

I'll be checking in later with some bloodwork, just to see if any of you experts can chime in with advice.
thanks
 
Another thing,
Would taking something like AndroMass be feasible at this point, or should i just wait til i hit a lower bodyfat %??
 
Hello again everyone...

I wanted to throw a few questions out there and see if any of you experts can chime in

Since I do have a high body fat percentage, would taking something like Clenbuterol/Clomid/Cortisol blocker be something that would benefit me.
From my understanding, clenbuterol has very good lipolysis qualities, being that it is a beta-2 agonist.
Hormonally speaking, I believe that having such a high body fat % creates an environment where estrogen is high (hold on to body fat), and low testosterone (mild muscle wasting).
So would taking a stack like clenbuterol/clomid/cortisol blocker along with a re-vamped diet and exercise regimen benefit me?????

I'd appreciate any advice, thanks.
 
no real reason to jump on clen/ clomid/ cort blocker to lose body fat if you are just going to gain it back when it's over. you gotta change the way you eat, sleep, and workout. its all about diet my man. You would be surprised how quickly you can start dropping bodyfat when you start taking control of what you eat. i dont just mean "I EAT LOTS OF CHICKEN!" . i mean breakin it down so you know what your maintenance calories are, then dropping that by maybe 300 -400 calories. btw, clen is nothing to just play around with. its pretty serious stuff if you are not careful, plus it only stays effective for about 2 weeks before your body starts to become accustomed to it. maybe try clen when you are down to 12 or so bodyfat (but if you get down to 12 naturally, why bother with clen!)

i will say a cortisol blocker wouldn't be a bad idea maybe.
 
thanks for the response laser.
you're right, and i keep looking for the easy way out.
I'll look into a cortisol blocker, it may help me get over a fat loss plateau.

I've read that taking Ketotifen while on Clenbuterol helps someone stay on it for longer. I do have asthma, so maybe it could kill 2 birds with 1 stone?!?!?
thanks again for the input
 
dianabol.......is mild in terms of side effects, but it is not mild in terms of gains/strength
 
^truth. just a lot of water retention from what i hear. doesn't seem like something a newb should be jumping into.
 
Good point guys.
I'm going to keep things natty til I hit a low bf%.
I'll think about anabolics after that.
thanks for the responses everyone, seems like i've been set on the right track
 
i know it sucks to not hear the answer you were looking for. anabolics will always be around because there will always be a demand for them, so it's not like you need to hurry up an take the last dose of Test E or superdrol that will ever be made.
 
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