Unanswered Great lecture on Boron!

Since boron increases uptake of magnesium, should we be concerned with taking too much magnesium when taking extra boron? I’ve found I need >400mg elemental magnesium to prevent deficiency symptoms such as muscle twitches, but when I start taking boron should I take less magnesium or is there no concern still with taking too much?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Since boron increases uptake of magnesium, should we be concerned with taking too much magnesium when taking extra boron? I’ve found I need >400mg elemental magnesium to prevent deficiency symptoms such as muscle twitches, but when I start taking boron should I take less magnesium or is there no concern still with taking too much?
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I wouldn't be worried about it since out of the 400mg of magnesisum taken, much of it is excreted.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Since boron increases uptake of magnesium, should we be concerned with taking too much magnesium when taking extra boron? I’ve found I need >400mg elemental magnesium to prevent deficiency symptoms such as muscle twitches, but when I start taking boron should I take less magnesium or is there no concern still with taking too much?
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People don’t understand how much magnesium is actually needed for elemental magnesium to be absorbed. You’ll only absorb about 20 percent of magnesium. I’ve talked to guys who take over 2500 mg magnesium glycinate daily. 400 mg is NOTHING. Most supplements aren’t giving you elemental magnesium. They’re giving you a 50/50 split of magnesium bonded to something. So often 400 mg of magnesium glycinate is only 200 mg magnesium where you only absorb(maybe if lucky) 20 percent which gives you 40 measly milligrams of elemental magnesium. I’ve talked to people who needed to take 4 grams of magnesium glycinate daily to get out of a deficiency plus weekly 5 gram shots. Also here’s a fun fact. Milligram per milligram calcium cancels out magnesium. So if you’re in a deficiency and you take 1000 mg of calcium and only 400 mg of magnesium your deficiency is going to get worse. On top of that caffeine, ANYTHING with oxolates and a plethora of foods and veggies will make the magnesium you’re taking worthless
 
BlockBuilder said:
People don’t understand how much magnesium is actually needed for elemental magnesium to be absorbed. You’ll only absorb about 20 percent of magnesium. I’ve talked to guys who take over 2500 mg magnesium glycinate daily. 400 mg is NOTHING. Most supplements aren’t giving you elemental magnesium. They’re giving you a 50/50 split of magnesium bonded to something. So often 400 mg of magnesium glycinate is only 200 mg magnesium where you only absorb(maybe if lucky) 20 percent which gives you 40 measly milligrams of elemental magnesium. I’ve talked to people who needed to take 4 grams of magnesium glycinate daily to get out of a deficiency plus weekly 5 gram shots. Also here’s a fun fact. Milligram per milligram calcium cancels out magnesium. So if you’re in a deficiency and you take 1000 mg of calcium and only 400 mg of magnesium your deficiency is going to get worse. On top of that caffeine, ANYTHING with oxolates and a plethora of foods and veggies will make the magnesium you’re taking worthless
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So what your saying is, dose higher with my magnesium glycinate?
 
BlockBuilder said:
People don’t understand how much magnesium is actually needed for elemental magnesium to be absorbed. You’ll only absorb about 20 percent of magnesium. I’ve talked to guys who take over 2500 mg magnesium glycinate daily. 400 mg is NOTHING. Most supplements aren’t giving you elemental magnesium. They’re giving you a 50/50 split of magnesium bonded to something. So often 400 mg of magnesium glycinate is only 200 mg magnesium where you only absorb(maybe if lucky) 20 percent which gives you 40 measly milligrams of elemental magnesium. I’ve talked to people who needed to take 4 grams of magnesium glycinate daily to get out of a deficiency plus weekly 5 gram shots. Also here’s a fun fact. Milligram per milligram calcium cancels out magnesium. So if you’re in a deficiency and you take 1000 mg of calcium and only 400 mg of magnesium your deficiency is going to get worse. On top of that caffeine, ANYTHING with oxolates and a plethora of foods and veggies will make the magnesium you’re taking worthless
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I take 480mg elemental magnesium from mag glycinate, so 3-4g magnesium glycinate.
 
Resolve10 said:
Ok so Magnesium Glycinate is ~14% magnesium by weight. Therefore 4g Mg Glycinate would be ~550mg Magnesium.

Again, as with the Boron explanation above, if you are looking at a Magnesium Glycinate supplement, if listed correctly 400mg on the label means it is supplying you with that much elemental magnesium (please don’t take a ton of pills thinking otherwise).

Also, while deficiency does seem to be a problem for people and research isn’t 100% in showing supplemental magnesium helps, there are a decent amount showing benefit (in a variety of areas like bone health, depression, diabetes, etc) with 300mg Magnesium. So you don’t necessarily need insane amounts to get benefit.
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Thanks for the info. I had previously thought that different companies had varying amount of glycine and magnesisum.
 
I’ve only been using boron for a week now, built up from 3mg to 9mg today. I don’t think it’s effected how I feel, but perhaps a little extra sensitive, water retention, and reduced vascularity. I also started FA-HMB the same day but I don’t see how that could’ve influenced those side effects. I’m guessing it’s elevating my e2? I’m going to stop and make sure it all balances back out. I don’t mind being extra sensitive lol, but looking less defined AND less vascularity?! No way.
 
GreenMachineX said:
I’ve only been using boron for a week now, built up from 3mg to 9mg today. I don’t think it’s effected how I feel, but perhaps a little extra sensitive, water retention, and reduced vascularity. I also started FA-HMB the same day but I don’t see how that could’ve influenced those side effects. I’m guessing it’s elevating my e2? I’m going to stop and make sure it all balances back out. I don’t mind being extra sensitive lol, but looking less defined AND less vascularity?! No way.
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Could be due to lowering shbg, or causing an increase of test. That could cause an increase in estrogen. Boron itself is not estrogenic.
 
Anyone get lightheaded/dizzy and feel like they might just pass out after using 3-9mg of boron? First half of day u will get random spells every single time i use it! So weird and truly a bit scary at times.
 
Brundels labels always suck, he cant even get spelling correct on some of them.. really puts down trust
 
chemjr said:
Anyone get lightheaded/dizzy and feel like they might just pass out after using 3-9mg of boron? First half of day u will get random spells every single time i use it! So weird and truly a bit scary at times.
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I take 20mg plus. Have not had that reaction.
 
00A said:
Brundels labels always suck, he cant even get spelling correct on some of them.. really puts down trust
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Send him a message of discrepensies you find. He plans to update some supps, and in doing so, the label will be changed.
 
I take 12mg daily with TRT, it increases my free test on labs by 20-25% and works very well with zinc for increased libido. Not sure if it would be more effective or less for those not on exogenous test. That is my upper limit though because I've tried the old, "well if 12 is good, doubling it will be even better" and there was no further increase in free test, but an increase in e2.

As an added benefit, anecdotally, my brother races enduro and MX and the team doctors all up their boron intake along with D, K, and calcium when in training and race season because they found it does wonders for joints and tendon health and helps recovery when injured. My dad followed this protocol when he injured his shoulder in the gym and had surgery and the docs were amazed at how quickly he recovered at 75years old.
 
kisaj said:
I take 12mg daily with TRT, it increases my free test on labs by 20-25% and works very well with zinc for increased libido. Not sure if it would be more effective or less for those not on exogenous test. That is my upper limit though because I've tried the old, "well if 12 is good, doubling it will be even better" and there was no further increase in free test, but an increase in e2.

As an added benefit, anecdotally, my brother races enduro and MX and the team doctors all up their boron intake along with D, K, and calcium when in training and race season because they found it does wonders for joints and tendon health and helps recovery when injured. My dad followed this protocol when he injured his shoulder in the gym and had surgery and the docs were amazed at how quickly he recovered at 75years old.
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Good testimony. I'm excited to see what my free/total test and e2 levels will be in the next coming months.

I am having my DHT tested Aug 31.
 
Jstrong20 said:
You can get it at any vitamin shop and it’s dirt cheap. Online even cheaper. I also have been using 12 mgs.
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I never see boron at anywhere. I always end up buying the 6star test booster for the 10mg boron in it. I've looked in multiple grocery stores, CVS, Walgreens ect. No stand alone boron supplement
 
Smont said:
I never see boron at anywhere. I always end up buying the 6star test booster for the 10mg boron in it. I've looked in multiple grocery stores, CVS, Walgreens ect. No stand alone boron supplement
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Easy to find online the solo boron products
 
I grabbed some from Life Extension and Now. The Life Extension seems to be a blend of borons and Now is from calcium boroglucinate. All pretty cheap. ...I'll look for the Swanson one.
 
Smont said:
I never see boron at anywhere. I always end up buying the 6star test booster for the 10mg boron in it. I've looked in multiple grocery stores, CVS, Walgreens ect. No stand alone boron supplement
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Vitaminshope is a chain store and has it. I’d imagine gnc would as well.
 
I grabbed some from Life Extension and Now. The Life Extension seems to be a blend of borons and Now is from calcium boroglucinate. All pretty cheap. ...I'll look for the Swanson one.
 
When is the best time to take boron?

Yesterday I took 3mg along with 250mg of Shilajit PrimaVie in the morning and I had a hard time sleeping last night. I was very energized all day, but maybe it was just all the Christmas activity. But very hard to wind down and relax last night.

Also, some folks and studies I just read are purporting that it increases E2 and then others saying decreases: what gives??
 
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JYD said:
When is the best time to take boron?

Yesterday I took 3mg along with 250mg of Shilajit PrimaVie in the morning and I had a hard time sleeping last night. I was very energized all day, but maybe it was just all the Christmas activity. But very hard to wind down and relax last night.

Also, some folks and studies I just read are purporting that it increases E2 and then others saying decreases: what gives??
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Boron is not messing with your sleep, it actually can improve sleep. And as far as I know it only increased estrogen in old ladies.
 
JYD said:
When is the best time to take boron?

Yesterday I took 3mg along with 250mg of Shilajit PrimaVie in the morning and I had a hard time sleeping last night. I was very energized all day, but maybe it was just all the Christmas activity. But very hard to wind down and relax last night.

Also, some folks and studies I just read are purporting that it increases E2 and then others saying decreases: what gives??
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Morning would be the best time to take boron. It shouldn't cause any estrogen issues with you.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Good testimony. I'm excited to see what my free/total test and e2 levels will be in the next coming months.

I am having my DHT tested Aug 31.
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Did boron supplementation improve your hormone profile?

Also, I noticed when on keto diet my libido was pretty much non existent.
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
Did boron supplementation improve your hormone profile?

Also, I noticed when on keto diet my libido was pretty much non existent.
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How much fat and protein were you consuming per day? I have not been retested for testosterone yet. Been strapped for cash, but plan to
 
JYD said:
Do you cycle boron? Like 5/2 for 4 weeks then take a month off or??
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I can only speak for mine .. I haven’t taken it solo

But have taken it for 8weeks combined with other stuff .. and works pretty well.

Maybe someone who have ran solo can chime in if it benefits running 5/2 protocol
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
I can only speak for mine .. I haven’t taken it solo

But have taken it for 8weeks combined with other stuff .. and works pretty well.

Maybe someone who have ran solo can chime in if it benefits running 5/2 protocol
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I believe (could be wrong) that elevations in free test were shown around day 14 of use in a few studies. So 5 on 2 off would not make sense to me.

Don't ask me to link studies because I have no clue how to post links lol
 
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