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I take 12 mg Swanson bornon and I feel honestly different. A bit more confidant and testy than normal. It could be doing something. Joints feel a tad more achy than normal too.
 
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I take 12 mg Swanson bornon and I feel honestly different. A bit more confidant and testy than normal. It could be doing something. Joints feel a tad more achy than normal too.
That’s odd normally Boron is beneficial for joints.
 
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Everything I have read states 100mg boron citrate equals 10mg active boron.

Also in the photo it states serving size is 500mgs.

250mgs Longifolia
200mgs Boron Citrate ( label shows active boron )
And 50mgs of filler

This would equate to the 500mgs and would make sense given the 20mgs of Boron.
Yup. It can’t be half the pill is fillers.. lol. Plus, it’s BLR. But, it would be good to get the label corrected though.
 
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Since boron increases uptake of magnesium, should we be concerned with taking too much magnesium when taking extra boron? I’ve found I need >400mg elemental magnesium to prevent deficiency symptoms such as muscle twitches, but when I start taking boron should I take less magnesium or is there no concern still with taking too much?
 
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Since boron increases uptake of magnesium, should we be concerned with taking too much magnesium when taking extra boron? I’ve found I need >400mg elemental magnesium to prevent deficiency symptoms such as muscle twitches, but when I start taking boron should I take less magnesium or is there no concern still with taking too much?
I wouldn't be worried about it since out of the 400mg of magnesisum taken, much of it is excreted.
 

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Since boron increases uptake of magnesium, should we be concerned with taking too much magnesium when taking extra boron? I’ve found I need >400mg elemental magnesium to prevent deficiency symptoms such as muscle twitches, but when I start taking boron should I take less magnesium or is there no concern still with taking too much?
People don’t understand how much magnesium is actually needed for elemental magnesium to be absorbed. You’ll only absorb about 20 percent of magnesium. I’ve talked to guys who take over 2500 mg magnesium glycinate daily. 400 mg is NOTHING. Most supplements aren’t giving you elemental magnesium. They’re giving you a 50/50 split of magnesium bonded to something. So often 400 mg of magnesium glycinate is only 200 mg magnesium where you only absorb(maybe if lucky) 20 percent which gives you 40 measly milligrams of elemental magnesium. I’ve talked to people who needed to take 4 grams of magnesium glycinate daily to get out of a deficiency plus weekly 5 gram shots. Also here’s a fun fact. Milligram per milligram calcium cancels out magnesium. So if you’re in a deficiency and you take 1000 mg of calcium and only 400 mg of magnesium your deficiency is going to get worse. On top of that caffeine, ANYTHING with oxolates and a plethora of foods and veggies will make the magnesium you’re taking worthless
 

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People don’t understand how much magnesium is actually needed for elemental magnesium to be absorbed. You’ll only absorb about 20 percent of magnesium. I’ve talked to guys who take over 2500 mg magnesium glycinate daily. 400 mg is NOTHING. Most supplements aren’t giving you elemental magnesium. They’re giving you a 50/50 split of magnesium bonded to something. So often 400 mg of magnesium glycinate is only 200 mg magnesium where you only absorb(maybe if lucky) 20 percent which gives you 40 measly milligrams of elemental magnesium. I’ve talked to people who needed to take 4 grams of magnesium glycinate daily to get out of a deficiency plus weekly 5 gram shots. Also here’s a fun fact. Milligram per milligram calcium cancels out magnesium. So if you’re in a deficiency and you take 1000 mg of calcium and only 400 mg of magnesium your deficiency is going to get worse. On top of that caffeine, ANYTHING with oxolates and a plethora of foods and veggies will make the magnesium you’re taking worthless
So what your saying is, dose higher with my magnesium glycinate?
 
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People don’t understand how much magnesium is actually needed for elemental magnesium to be absorbed. You’ll only absorb about 20 percent of magnesium. I’ve talked to guys who take over 2500 mg magnesium glycinate daily. 400 mg is NOTHING. Most supplements aren’t giving you elemental magnesium. They’re giving you a 50/50 split of magnesium bonded to something. So often 400 mg of magnesium glycinate is only 200 mg magnesium where you only absorb(maybe if lucky) 20 percent which gives you 40 measly milligrams of elemental magnesium. I’ve talked to people who needed to take 4 grams of magnesium glycinate daily to get out of a deficiency plus weekly 5 gram shots. Also here’s a fun fact. Milligram per milligram calcium cancels out magnesium. So if you’re in a deficiency and you take 1000 mg of calcium and only 400 mg of magnesium your deficiency is going to get worse. On top of that caffeine, ANYTHING with oxolates and a plethora of foods and veggies will make the magnesium you’re taking worthless
I take 480mg elemental magnesium from mag glycinate, so 3-4g magnesium glycinate.
 
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People don’t understand how much magnesium is actually needed for elemental magnesium to be absorbed. You’ll only absorb about 20 percent of magnesium. I’ve talked to guys who take over 2500 mg magnesium glycinate daily. 400 mg is NOTHING. Most supplements aren’t giving you elemental magnesium. They’re giving you a 50/50 split of magnesium bonded to something. So often 400 mg of magnesium glycinate is only 200 mg magnesium where you only absorb(maybe if lucky) 20 percent which gives you 40 measly milligrams of elemental magnesium. I’ve talked to people who needed to take 4 grams of magnesium glycinate daily to get out of a deficiency plus weekly 5 gram shots. Also here’s a fun fact. Milligram per milligram calcium cancels out magnesium. So if you’re in a deficiency and you take 1000 mg of calcium and only 400 mg of magnesium your deficiency is going to get worse. On top of that caffeine, ANYTHING with oxolates and a plethora of foods and veggies will make the magnesium you’re taking worthless
Ok so Magnesium Glycinate is ~14% magnesium by weight. Therefore 4g Mg Glycinate would be ~550mg Magnesium.

Again, as with the Boron explanation above, if you are looking at a Magnesium Glycinate supplement, if listed correctly 400mg on the label means it is supplying you with that much elemental magnesium (please don’t take a ton of pills thinking otherwise).

Also, while deficiency does seem to be a problem for people and research isn’t 100% in showing supplemental magnesium helps, there are a decent amount showing benefit (in a variety of areas like bone health, depression, diabetes, etc) with 300mg Magnesium. So you don’t necessarily need insane amounts to get benefit.
 
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Ok so Magnesium Glycinate is ~14% magnesium by weight. Therefore 4g Mg Glycinate would be ~550mg Magnesium.

Again, as with the Boron explanation above, if you are looking at a Magnesium Glycinate supplement, if listed correctly 400mg on the label means it is supplying you with that much elemental magnesium (please don’t take a ton of pills thinking otherwise).

Also, while deficiency does seem to be a problem for people and research isn’t 100% in showing supplemental magnesium helps, there are a decent amount showing benefit (in a variety of areas like bone health, depression, diabetes, etc) with 300mg Magnesium. So you don’t necessarily need insane amounts to get benefit.
Thanks for the info. I had previously thought that different companies had varying amount of glycine and magnesisum.
 
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Should our ladies be taking it too? How much for them if so?
 
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How many mgs are you taking daily? 6 daily?
I take 2 caps of Viron, so it that is 20mg boron and 500mg longjack. I take pre workout. I would start a woman at 10mg a day and see how she feels. Boron is safe for men and women.
 
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I’ve only been using boron for a week now, built up from 3mg to 9mg today. I don’t think it’s effected how I feel, but perhaps a little extra sensitive, water retention, and reduced vascularity. I also started FA-HMB the same day but I don’t see how that could’ve influenced those side effects. I’m guessing it’s elevating my e2? I’m going to stop and make sure it all balances back out. I don’t mind being extra sensitive lol, but looking less defined AND less vascularity?! No way.
 
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I’ve only been using boron for a week now, built up from 3mg to 9mg today. I don’t think it’s effected how I feel, but perhaps a little extra sensitive, water retention, and reduced vascularity. I also started FA-HMB the same day but I don’t see how that could’ve influenced those side effects. I’m guessing it’s elevating my e2? I’m going to stop and make sure it all balances back out. I don’t mind being extra sensitive lol, but looking less defined AND less vascularity?! No way.
Could be due to lowering shbg, or causing an increase of test. That could cause an increase in estrogen. Boron itself is not estrogenic.
 
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Anyone get lightheaded/dizzy and feel like they might just pass out after using 3-9mg of boron? First half of day u will get random spells every single time i use it! So weird and truly a bit scary at times.
 
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Brundels labels always suck, he cant even get spelling correct on some of them.. really puts down trust
 
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Anyone get lightheaded/dizzy and feel like they might just pass out after using 3-9mg of boron? First half of day u will get random spells every single time i use it! So weird and truly a bit scary at times.
I take 20mg plus. Have not had that reaction.
 
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Brundels labels always suck, he cant even get spelling correct on some of them.. really puts down trust
Send him a message of discrepensies you find. He plans to update some supps, and in doing so, the label will be changed.
 

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I take 12mg daily with TRT, it increases my free test on labs by 20-25% and works very well with zinc for increased libido. Not sure if it would be more effective or less for those not on exogenous test. That is my upper limit though because I've tried the old, "well if 12 is good, doubling it will be even better" and there was no further increase in free test, but an increase in e2.

As an added benefit, anecdotally, my brother races enduro and MX and the team doctors all up their boron intake along with D, K, and calcium when in training and race season because they found it does wonders for joints and tendon health and helps recovery when injured. My dad followed this protocol when he injured his shoulder in the gym and had surgery and the docs were amazed at how quickly he recovered at 75years old.
 
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I take 12mg daily with TRT, it increases my free test on labs by 20-25% and works very well with zinc for increased libido. Not sure if it would be more effective or less for those not on exogenous test. That is my upper limit though because I've tried the old, "well if 12 is good, doubling it will be even better" and there was no further increase in free test, but an increase in e2.

As an added benefit, anecdotally, my brother races enduro and MX and the team doctors all up their boron intake along with D, K, and calcium when in training and race season because they found it does wonders for joints and tendon health and helps recovery when injured. My dad followed this protocol when he injured his shoulder in the gym and had surgery and the docs were amazed at how quickly he recovered at 75years old.
Good testimony. I'm excited to see what my free/total test and e2 levels will be in the next coming months.

I am having my DHT tested Aug 31.
 

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