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Grand Jury Investigating Bonds

yeahright

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Reports: Grand Jury Investigating Bonds

The Associated Press
Thursday, April 13, 2006; 11:24 PM

SAN FRANCISCO -- A federal grand jury is investigating whether Barry Bonds committed perjury when he testified in 2003 that he never used steroids, according to media reports.

The panel has been hearing evidence for more than a month about whether the Giants' slugger lied to a different grand jury that was investigating the BALCO scandal, according to reports Thursday night on CNN and the San Francisco Chronicle's Web site.

Luke Macaulay, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in San Francisco, told The Associated Press that he could neither confirm nor deny the reports. The story was first broadcast on CNN, which cited "multiple sources" it did not identify.

Bonds was granted immunity when he testified to the BALCO grand jury in December 2003 as long he told the truth. According to excerpts of the testimony previously reported by the Chronicle, Bonds testified that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer who later pleaded guilty in a steroid-distribution ring, but said he didn't know they were steroids.

Bonds told the grand jury that Greg Anderson, his personal trainer, told him the substances he used were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis.

The substances Bonds described were similar to ones known as "the clear" and "the cream," two steroids at the center of the scandal. Investigators seized calendars that recorded schedules for Bonds' use of those drugs, as well as human growth hormone, clomid, insulin and other steroids, according to the Chronicle.

Bonds has always denied using steroids. Harry Stern, an attorney in the firm representing Bonds, told the AP that Bonds told the truth when he testified to the grand jury and said his firm had no knowledge of this reported grand jury investigation.

Baseball spokesman Rich Levin said he is aware of the reports, "but it's just not appropriate for us to comment at this time."

The Chronicle also reported that Dr. Arthur Ting, Bonds' personal surgeon, has been subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury investigating possible perjury charges.

Ting, who treated Bonds for a knee injury that kept him out for most of the 2005 season, was called to appear before the panel at the U.S. District courthouse in San Francisco later this month, the Chronicle reported, citing two people familiar with the investigation.

The sources asked the newspaper not to identify them because of the sensitivity of the grand jury probe.

Phone messages left by the AP for Ting and his attorney were not immediately returned Thursday night.

According to "Game of Shadows," a book released last month that detailed Bonds' longtime alleged drug regimen, Ting accompanied Bonds to BALCO headquarters in Burlingame in 2003 to draw blood from the slugger.

The publication of the book prompted Major League Baseball commissioner Bud Selig to launch an investigation into past steroid use in baseball.

Bonds is third on baseball's all-time home runs list with 708; he is seven homers shy of passing Babe Ruth. He did not play in the second game of Thursday's doubleheader with the Houston Astros in San Francisco and would not be available for comment until after the game, Giants spokesman Blake Rhodes said.

Bonds was one of about 30 athletes who testified to the grand jury investigating BALCO, including New York Yankees sluggers Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield, and track stars Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones.

None of the athletes had to testify in open court because the four defendants pleaded guilty last year to the charges. Anderson was sentenced to three months in prison and three months in home confinement; BALCO founder Victor Conte was sentenced to four months in prison and four months home confinement; and BALCO vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny each received probation.
 
I dont feel bad for him at all, they should lock his dumb ass up forever and throw away the key if for no other reason then the fact that there are millions of people in the WORLD who take as, but we never hear anything about them. Wonder why? Because THEY KEEP THERE MOUTHS SHUT??

I know he's not the only one but he didn't help the problem.
They should lock up Jose too.
 
anyone in the spotlight is under more scrutiny. the millions in the world are everyday average citizens. i like bonds. he didn't become the media's b!tch when they were all over his ass. however, he looked pretty stupid after the balco fiasco.
 
Question:

His trainer was found guilty of steroid distribution. Guilty.

So why in the blue hell are people still aksing Bonds if he did or did not?? Homeboy wasn't distributing to anyone other than Bonds, was he?

It's like, "Yeah, the guy who gave me steroids and taught me how to inject is guilty, but I swear, I dont even know what a roid is."

Unreal.
 
I wish he'd just fess up and stop piling on the stereotype of dumb meathead.

Everything on God's green Earth points to him using and knowing what he used...the trainer, Conseco's book, 45 pound lbm gain, numerous testimonials stating he talked about using AAS, IGF et cetera. It's one thing to cover your ass, but it's another thing entirely to insult everyone's intelligence.
 
I would say the reason people are stilling asking the question "did bonds do roids or not" is because he's never tested positive. He has passed numerous tests which makes the masses think "maybe he didn't" but then they think of all the stuff bioman has said and go "but then again...."

And he always sticks to the comment that he has never 'knowingly taken AAS'
 
yeahright said:
Investigators seized calendars that recorded schedules for Bonds' use of those drugs, as well as human growth hormone, clomid, insulin and other steroids....

is this article calling clomid and insulin steroids? i hesitate to give it the benefeit of the doubt.

i dont know about you guys but....i personally could not give any less of **** if bonds took steroids or not. the only thing i care about is the large amount of misinformation/ignorance going out to the public that is affecting my chosen lifestyle.


bonds shouldnt have used steroids simply because of the fact that they were prohibited by the mlb. however people need to realize that major league baseball players/ athletes in particular are not the only groups of people using steroids. youre common health conscious gym going middle class worker or you grandpa on hormone replacement therapy is. what people need to realize is that the media attention is affecting these people too, either making the former "drug dealers" (with the new laws) and making doctors hesitant to prescribe the "evil" steroids to the latter.

people can smoke, thats their choice. people can drink, thats their choice. if people want to take steroids....well that is just totally out of the question...
 
All I'm saying is we have a guy sitting in jail for distributing steroids to Bonds, yet, we continue to dance around with him because of his celebrity. Why more people cannot draw this correlation is beyond me.
 
What I'm wondering is how stupid are all of you who WANT him to fess up? Who gives a ****? We all think he took roids, big ****ing deal, so do a lot of people. But the bottom line is, he has never tested positive, he has never been found possessing steroids, and there is no PROOF that he ever took steroids. Therefore, he can't be PROVEN guilty, and therefore he shouldn't be removed, asterisked, or any of that bull**** in the record books either. Him coming out and saying "Yes, I took steroids, I'm sorry" would prove his guilt, and no telling what else, but everyone would have the luxury of hearing him say it. You think he gives a **** about that? I know I wouldn't, and I know I couldn't give a **** less about what everyone wanted to hear, if I KNEW that no one had **** on me to PROVE I did something wrong, why on God's green earth am I going to confess just so a bunch of losers can brag about how they "knew I was on roids!!"

**** that - I hope finds a way to get BACK on roids and not test positive, and I hope he hits 100 ****ing home runs this year... Then maybe everyone will stfu.
 
It's not so much fessing up as just not saying anything at all. The more he and the rest of these MLB guys keep talking, the deeper they seem to dig themselves and the media feeds on it and then Congress gets to act all tough on AAS...and around and around we go.
 
I remember an interview with Bonds. It was on ESPN about 15 years ago. Bonds had just won his 3rd MVP in 4 years(he should have won in 91,Terry pendelton?). The reporter was asking Bonds why he thought the fans disliked him so much ( he was always booed soundly away from Pittsburg )
I'll never forget the sincerity in his face when he answered,"...You say they hate me?...maybe its because I grew up playing catch with Willie Mays. My dad was a MLB player for 20 years. I grew up around all those big time guys and I learned alot. They didn't play for the fans or the press. They played because they loved the game and to feed their families. I never had a job other than baseball. When all is said and done, I'll walk away from this game a very rich man,..and I've never worked a day in my life. That's alot for the average fan to deal with. So, maybe that's why people hate me...and I am okay with that! "
Barry is not stupid. He very wisely created a position of "plausable deniability". That is a privilege usually reserved for presidents! (countries, big oil) What did he know and when did he know it?...Barry's answer, "Whatever!"
Why is the trainer in jail? He got busted, that's why, possesion and distribution paraphernalia are hard to ignore in a warranted search. The legal system always goes after the middleman. How often do you hear of a chemist getting indicted?
Bonds delivered a sealed testimony to the effect that he had a deal with Balco to trust their program to legally prolong his career. That's it done deal. Bonds was already a rich man when all this happened. Once you are rich, you do what it takes to stay rich and you always cover you ass by consulting your laywer. Conte and the trainers were willing to take more risk because they were trying to become rich. Technically their crimes did not exist at the time they were commited.(unlisted substances)However because of the global power of sports( advertizing money ), Balco was tried on the basis of trying to circumvent the existing laws by specifically creating similar chemicals designed to be undetected by the current testing. This is a game of deception that is atleast 30 years old, but now it has become a criminal act! The side effect is no more M1T or SD( my liver thanks you)
The biggest crime is that the press used "leaked" grand jury testimony!!!
Steroids might undermine the credibility of baseball records, but leaked testimony undermines the integrity of whole the legal system! Why are there no outcries about the leakage? The same reason Bonds goes free. There is not enough evidence to even try to get an indictment. How can MLB use an astrisk for just Bonds, wouldn't they have to recalculate all the pitching stats as well, there is no logical way to do it.
"... in baseball you wear a cap and the object is to go home, yeah lets go home everybody!!!"- George Carlin
 
anabolicrhino said:
The legal system always goes after the middleman. How often do you hear of a chemist getting indicted?

LOL, I'm not disagreeing with your main points, but Patrick Arnold might take exception to this one.:blink:
 
yeahright said:
LOL, I'm not disagreeing with your main points, but Patrick Arnold might take exception to this one.:blink:

I don't know all the facts, but he had more advanced notice that he was going to be searched then Bush had about 9-11!
If a distributor came to me and said can you make a chemical, that I can use for research. I would have you sign an agreement not to use it for anything illegal or that could violate any known sporting orginization bylaws. When discussing non-controlled, non-listed chemicals, this type of agreement protects the smart chemist. It would be similar to trying to convict the company that makes the bullets, of compliance in a handgun murder.
This also why "generic" research chems are an optional non risk. Most of the cease and desist orders are originating from copyright infringement not drug trafficing. It is the use or suggestion of use that bears the legal responcibility. You can buy all you want justas long as you agree not to use it!
 
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