Good Ole Honest Abe's DMZ Cycle

Abe Lincoln said:
Yeah I have another bottle of DMZ but not sure if I will use it during the winter. It defiantly is some good stuff, strength has gone up like crazy.
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You could keep till next spring to get cut for the summer.
 
Tagger said:
You could keep till next spring to get cut for the summer.
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Probably will do that as there are a few different compounds that I want to try. Like Olympus labs is supposed to be coming out with superdrol oxime so might try stacking it with m1t oxime and some sort of test base
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Probably will do that as there are a few different compounds that I want to try. Like Olympus labs is supposed to be coming out with superdrol oxime so might try stacking it with m1t oxime and some sort of test base
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Holy **** that would be badass.

OL is getting ****ing crazy!
 
Tagger said:
Holy **** that would be badass. OL is getting ****ing crazy!
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Exactly ha they are really bringing out some pretty good **** but they always do. I'd Love to be their personal test rat for all their products :D the thread about superdrol oxime is in there supp company on here if you want to take a look
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Exactly ha they are really bringing out some pretty good **** but they always do. I'd Love to be their personal test rat for all their products :D the thread about superdrol oxime is in there supp company on here if you want to take a look
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I will have to check it out. I'd love to be one of their reps.

That's a goal of mine. Be a rep, but being one for them would be amazing.
 
Tagger said:
I will have to check it out. I'd love to be one of their reps. That's a goal of mine. Be a rep, but being one for them would be amazing.
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Yeah I'm keeping my eye on that. I have the same goal but I still need to learn more, as I want to be a good addition to the company I rep and not come off as ignorant in anyway. Repping with them would be a dream :)


On another note checked out my 1rm on squats and deadlifts and they are up 10lbs. :D
 
7.2
Maxed out on my squat and dl today and gained 10lbs on the lifts :) pretty good day in the gym if I can say so myself.

Training;
DL 8x10
Squat 5x10
Calf raiser 10x10
Rows 5x10

Foods;
Protein shake
Half gallon of milk
2 cups of peanuts
Yogurt
Few slices of pizza
Chicken breast
Mozzarella sticks
 
Abe Lincoln said:
7.2
Maxed out on my squat and dl today and gained 10lbs on the lifts :) pretty good day in the gym if I can say so myself.

Training;
DL 8x10
Squat 5x10
Calf raiser 10x10
Rows 5x10

Foods;
Protein shake
Half gallon of milk
2 cups of peanuts
Yogurt
Few slices of pizza
Chicken breast
Mozzarella sticks
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Eating like a beast too haha. Damn carb cravings while on are always crazy.
 
Tagger said:
Eating like a beast too haha. Damn carb cravings while on are always crazy.
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Of course need to support them gains ha true story feel like I could eat endlessly but I wake up in the middle of the night regretting it lol. My night regime before bed is a cup of milk with tums, bismo pills, and vitamin c.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Of course need to support them gains ha true story feel like I could eat endlessly but I wake up in the middle of the night regretting it lol. My night regime before bed is a cup of milk with tums, bismo pills, and vitamin c.
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Haha gotta be able to sleep. That's for sure.
 
M.I.D said:
You using that in pct bro?
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Sure thing :) at 5-10mg. I'm thinking I will make a separate thread for pct because I'm thinking I will do pct for 4 weeks and take about 4-6 weeks off and than start up some osta for 8 weeks as a bridge into my next cycle, but I was also thinking of just making an ongoing training log, so I'm in a pickle.


On another note took my first pill of m1t oxime today in the morning and checked my weight, 180.6lbs.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Sure thing :) at 5-10mg. I'm thinking I will make a separate thread for pct because I'm thinking I will do pct for 4 weeks and take about 4-6 weeks off and than start up some osta for 8 weeks as a bridge into my next cycle, but I was also thinking of just making an ongoing training log, so I'm in a pickle.


On another note took my first pill of m1t oxime today in the morning and checked my weight, 180.6lbs.
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Id run it through pct and have a clean break for 8 weeks or so
 
7.3
Met this pretty legit guy in the gym today he gave me some advice on my lifts. And my osta came in the mail today, I thought the bottle was going to be black tho and it was kind of odd how big the bottle, it is like half empty..

Training;
Incline Press 2x10, 3x8, 4x10
DB Press 5x10
Overhead Press 10x10
Shrug 5x10
Chin 2x10
Pull 2x10

Foods;
Protein Shake
2 cups of peanuts
Grilled Cheese
Chicken Nuggets
Mozzarella Sticks
1/4 gallon of milk
Yogurt
 
7.4
Started m1t oxime today, decided to dose it at 10mg for the first week to see how I react. Not sure if it the new added compound but I was extremely thirsty today I was kicking back 3-5 cups in 10 minutes. Tried out some new stuff in the gym today to see how my body would do.

Training;
Curls 5x10
Tricep Ext. 10x10
Wrist curls 5x20
Hamstring curls 10x10
Crunch 2x15
Lat Pull down 5x15

Foods;
Protein shake
2 cups of peanuts
Chicken nuggets
Grilled cheese
Yogurt
Mozzarella sticks
 
7.5-7.6 weekend
Rest days not much to be noted on either days, except for the fact I was sore from the prior week and needed this down time to rest. Dosed 10mg of m1t oxime both days on top if my 30mg dmz and noticed that I'm leaning out a bit even at 3k calories. Currently at a steady 181lbs. Much of this weekend has been research for my next cycle and tweaking the routine in the gym a bit.
 
7.7
Sad day today, went outside and found I had a flat and I did not have the tool to lower the spare from under the vehicle so had to call it a rest day, though maybe for the best as it gives my body more recovery time to hit the gym the next.

Food;
Mexican rice
Chicken nuggets
2x protein shakes
1/4 gallon of milk
Italian cheddar bread
1 cup of peanuts
 
Abe Lincoln said:
7.7
Sad day today, went outside and found I had a flat and I did not have the tool to lower the spare from under the vehicle so had to call it a rest day, though maybe for the best as it gives my body more recovery time to hit the gym the next.

Food;
Mexican rice
Chicken nuggets
2x protein shakes
1/4 gallon of milk
Italian cheddar bread
1 cup of peanuts
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That ****ing sucks bro.

Hope you get it worked out.

Just curious, your diet, you on that EAT EVERYTHING IN SIGHT DIET or IIFYM, or something else? :cool:
 
Tagger said:
That ****ing sucks bro.

Hope you get it worked out.

Just curious, your diet, you on that EAT EVERYTHING IN SIGHT DIET or IIFYM, or something else? :cool:
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Yeah my uncle brought over the piece later on and I changed it. All is good now and broke some prs today at the gym on the dl and squat :)

Right not I'm going based off of my protein intake making sure I meet that macro and than just sprinkle on the rest if there is a need more calories, so IIFYM, just want to get the most out of this cycle. I used to run keto and ud2, but now I like to keep it simple with just carb cycling.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Yeah my uncle brought over the piece later on and I changed it. All is good now and broke some prs today at the gym on the dl and squat :)

Right not I'm going based off of my protein intake making sure I meet that macro and than just sprinkle on the rest if there is a need more calories, so IIFYM, just want to get the most out of this cycle. I used to run keto and ud2, but now I like to keep it simple with just carb cycling.
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I hear yah. I have now tried a couple things and Keto seems the best for shredding fat but it's so hard to do it during my crazy work periods.

I tried intermittent fasting but I literally didn't see **** for results and I had it down to a T.

I've started getting my protein intake to atleast 200 grams and then I make sure I come under my maintenance and so far so good. I'm very slowly losing that fat.

I don't think I have lost any size from my last cycle.
 
Tagger said:
I hear yah. I have now tried a couple things and Keto seems the best for shredding fat but it's so hard to do it during my crazy work periods.

I tried intermittent fasting but I literally didn't see **** for results and I had it down to a T.

I've started getting my protein intake to atleast 200 grams and then I make sure I come under my maintenance and so far so good. I'm very slowly losing that fat.

I don't think I have lost any size from my last cycle.
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Keto+Intermittent fasting is a good mix, plus add caffeine/fatburner during your fasted period is when I started to see the best results. Though, everyone is different. Oh, but if you want to feel like death try out PSMF lol tried it for a week and dropped 15lbs(water mainly).

That is what I have been doing recently, except for I stay at maintenance calories and go for long term recomp, as I want to keep my strength high and keep more lbm. Slow and steady wins the race. Nice man, what gaings you get from your last?
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Keto+Intermittent fasting is a good mix, plus add caffeine/fatburner during your fasted period is when I started to see the best results. Though, everyone is different. Oh, but if you want to feel like death try out PSMF lol tried it for a week and dropped 15lbs(water mainly).

That is what I have been doing recently, except for I stay at maintenance calories and go for long term recomp, as I want to keep my strength high and keep more lbm. Slow and steady wins the race. Nice man, what gaings you get from your last?
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I actually got a lot of size.

I didn't take measurements unfortunately but everyone still tells me my arms and my chest look way bigger (that's all I worked on my last cycle).

Idk if it's this Cannibal Alpha I'm taking and the DAA but I am actually getting stronger in the gym right now, and I'm off cycle.

What is PSMF?
 
Tagger said:
I actually got a lot of size. I didn't take measurements unfortunately but everyone still tells me my arms and my chest look way bigger (that's all I worked on my last cycle). Idk if it's this Cannibal Alpha I'm taking and the DAA but I am actually getting stronger in the gym right now, and I'm off cycle. What is PSMF?
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What was your cycles again? Lol I think you have told me but I forget. Yeah I was looking for size this run but after this I want to focus on strength. Could be it is helping you recover and that leads to becoming stronger? Protein sparring modified fast. It is like eating only protein and green vegetables under 1000 cals a day.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
What was your cycles again? Lol I think you have told me but I forget. Yeah I was looking for size this run but after this I want to focus on strength. Could be it is helping you recover and that leads to becoming stronger? Protein sparring modified fast. It is like eating only protein and green vegetables under 1000 cals a day.
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My last cycle was Msten kicker to EPI and 1 Andro.

That may be the cause. I know it has Beta-Anhydrous which can lead to gains.

Either way it's likely going to be a PCT staple.

Oh yah, I also bridged into Osta and I honestly think that helped the most.

Oh ****, I'll have to try that out sometime. Maybe for three weeks when I am gone for the Army. Lol.
 
Tagger said:
My last cycle was Msten kicker to EPI and 1 Andro.

That may be the cause. I know it has Beta-Anhydrous which can lead to gains.

Either way it's likely going to be a PCT staple.

Oh yah, I also bridged into Osta and I honestly think that helped the most.

Oh ****, I'll have to try that out sometime. Maybe for three weeks when I am gone for the Army. Lol.
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Sounds like a wicked cycle both strength/size wise. I'm gonna run some superdrol, trest, and tren for some of those strength gains, or something along those lines I need to up my strength for my next cycle.

Yeah I will pick up a bottle next run for sure seeing as you are loving it. :) a lot of their products have me interested and they have some good promos.

Bridge your osta into the Alpha? I have my osta ready for pct, defiantly interested in seeing how much I will hold onto.

Ha, yeah it kicked me on my ass, I was running finaflex 500xd as well so I got dryed out fast. I'd look it up, Lyle Mcdonald has a book on it that you can find online for free, not sure if you know him, but he also has books on keto, the ultimate diet 2.0, and some other good reads.
 
7.08
Felt pretty good today, woke up at 5am ready to slaughter some prs. I did break prs on my squat and deadlift, but I'm kind of disappointed in the fact of not being able to heavier on deads, but my grip isn't up to par. I know I can deadlift more but my **** grip is pissing me off.

Training;
Deadlifts 10x10; - - - PR; 1x375
Calf raisers 10x10
Squat 10x10; - - - PR; 1x495
Rows 10x10
Lat pull downs 10x10

Foods;
Protein shake
Chicken nuggets
1cup of peanuts
1/2 gallon of milk
Mozzarella noodles
Hamburgers
 
Abe Lincoln said:
7.08
Felt pretty good today, woke up at 5am ready to slaughter some prs. I did break prs on my squat and deadlift, but I'm kind of disappointed in the fact of not being able to heavier on deads, but my grip isn't up to par. I know I can deadlift more but my **** grip is pissing me off.

Training;
Deadlifts 10x10; - - - PR; 1x375
Calf raisers 10x10
Squat 10x10; - - - PR; 1x495
Rows 10x10
Lat pull downs 10x10

Foods;
Protein shake
Chicken nuggets
1cup of peanuts
1/2 gallon of milk
Mozzarella noodles
Hamburgers
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Haha those are some good squat numbers homie.

What are your stats again?
 
Tagger said:
Haha those are some good squat numbers homie.

What are your stats again?
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Thanks man, but I want my deadlifts on the big side, I respect squats, but deadlifts are what separates the alpha from the pack. IMO.

21, 5'9, 180-181lbs, been lifting on and off since middle school, got serious last 2 years.
 
I understand man. Do you grip the bar with your thumb wrapped around the bar? I read an article once that said if you squeeze the bar as hard as you can while you lift can increase grip strength and hand size. I just went home for the 4th weekend and my mom commented on my hands seeming to be larger, so I guess it's been working. Maybe give that a go? Just tryin' to think out loud, if you will.

Congrats on the squat PR. That's good weight man.
 
dbrock504 said:
I understand man. Do you grip the bar with your thumb wrapped around the bar? I read an article once that said if you squeeze the bar as hard as you can while you lift can increase grip strength and hand size. I just went home for the 4th weekend and my mom commented on my hands seeming to be larger, so I guess it's been working. Maybe give that a go? Just tryin' to think out loud, if you will. Congrats on the squat PR. That's good weight man.
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Yeah I do grip my thumb around the bar. Should I not? Yeah I think I read an article about that and going to do some light work on deads tomorrow using that squeeze and a nice slow pace for more time under tension. My hands are kind of small so could use them being bigger.

And thanks, could of done a bit more but didn't want to press my luck. Tomorrow going to see if I can pull up my bench a bit. My current is only 1x300, so will see what I can manage
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Yeah I do grip my thumb around the bar. Should I not? Yeah I think I read an article about that and going to do some light work on deads tomorrow using that squeeze and a nice slow pace for more time under tension. My hands are kind of small so could use them being bigger.

And thanks, could of done a bit more but didn't want to press my luck. Tomorrow going to see if I can pull up my bench a bit. My current is only 1x300, so will see what I can manage
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Ya I was saying to grip the bar with the wrapped thumb. It allows for you to properly squeeze the bar. Again, this was just an article I read. It didn't have any underlying case studies or anything. I just decided to try it and it seems to have been working.

Good sh*t man. Get that TUT bud lol. I really focus on TUT as it stimulates growth most effectively from the things I've seen, read and heard. Good luck on your bench. Get 315!!!
 
dbrock504 said:
Ya I was saying to grip the bar with the wrapped thumb. It allows for you to properly squeeze the bar. Again, this was just an article I read. It didn't have any underlying case studies or anything. I just decided to try it and it seems to have been working.

Good sh*t man. Get that TUT bud lol. I really focus on TUT as it stimulates growth most effectively from the things I've seen, read and heard. Good luck on your bench. Get 315!!!
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Yeah it is a crush grip, I think.

Yeah I do my routine about two times a week, one heavy day and the other being a more moderate focusing on time under. Best of both worlds I believe, heavy weights(strength) + hypertrophy. Yeah thanks ha, could not get it up today sadly. Didn't have that edge. Maybe on Friday I will.

reps4jesus said:
Just grip it how you feel comfortable and powerful
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Good point, my grip is comfortable and has been working, just needs to improve the weight I can handle.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Thanks man, but I want my deadlifts on the big side, I respect squats, but deadlifts are what separates the alpha from the pack. IMO.

21, 5'9, 180-181lbs, been lifting on and off since middle school, got serious last 2 years.
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I gotcha. We are basically the same size. Same stats and lifts.

One thing that helped me out with deadlift (when I was doing it) and I hit 375 at 160lbs at the age of 19. I have no idea what I could do now because it's rough on my back.

Anyways, do the grip (and I forget the correct name) where you grip the bar regular with your left hand but your right hand you do a underhand grip (or vise versa).

Once I started doing that I went way up in weight.
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Just grip it how you feel comfortable and powerful
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Exactly.

Even watch some YouTube videos on correct form and all of that.

I never practiced power cleans until this year and I went from 135 with terrible form to 235 with good form.
 
Tagger said:
I gotcha. We are basically the same size. Same stats and lifts.

One thing that helped me out with deadlift (when I was doing it) and I hit 375 at 160lbs at the age of 19. I have no idea what I could do now because it's rough on my back.

Anyways, do the grip (and I forget the correct name) where you grip the bar regular with your left hand but your right hand you do a underhand grip (or vise versa).

Once I started doing that I went way up in weight.

Exactly.

Even watch some YouTube videos on correct form and all of that.

I never practiced power cleans until this year and I went from 135 with terrible form to 235 with good form.
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Oh well that is some good weight for 160lbs, I'm not sure but the bar at the gym is bigger(thicker) than the one I used at home, so maybe that has something to do with it. You injured your back?

Mixed grip? Overhand/Underhand. I do that on my last few sets when my grip begins to die.

Was reading up a bunch yesterday on deadlift, but nothing can really beat seeing it in action and proceeding to do it yourself. YouTube has some great dl videos too :) It has been a while since I have done those, like high school football, never really understood the purpose. Possibly for power/speed, but strength wise and size wise idk.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Oh well that is some good weight for 160lbs, I'm not sure but the bar at the gym is bigger(thicker) than the one I used at home, so maybe that has something to do with it. You injured your back?

Mixed grip? Overhand/Underhand. I do that on my last few sets when my grip begins to die.

Was reading up a bunch yesterday on deadlift, but nothing can really beat seeing it in action and proceeding to do it yourself. YouTube has some great dl videos too :) It has been a while since I have done those, like high school football, never really understood the purpose. Possibly for power/speed, but strength wise and size wise idk.
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Well I don't have a injured back, it's just always been weaker.

I could do the work to really build it up but I'm not in the workout game for the bodybuilding shows and stuff.

I stick to squats, front squats, bench, power cleans, cleans, those kinds of lifts.

Just want to **** my back up with some really heavy weights.

I think I could pull 405 but it would obliterate my back.
 
Tagger said:
Well I don't have a injured back, it's just always been weaker.

I could do the work to really build it up but I'm not in the workout game for the bodybuilding shows and stuff.

I stick to squats, front squats, bench, power cleans, cleans, those kinds of lifts.

Just want to **** my back up with some really heavy weights.

I think I could pull 405 but it would obliterate my back.
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Yeah I gotcha, my family has always had weak backs. Though, I have a goal and not gonna let that let that hold me back (literally ha).

Same I do this for hobby/passion, so I will go heavy when I'm young and tamper off in my age. Especially be cautious of injuries.

Those are powerlifting moves, for the most part? I mean you have seen my setup, mainly bodybuilding moves and sprinkle of others.

Lol. I actually have a goal to raw DL 1ton, so that is kind of ironic for me.

That would still be some good pulling for not doing it, might not be worth the obliteration.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Yeah I gotcha, my family has always had weak backs. Though, I have a goal and not gonna let that let that hold me back (literally ha).

Same I do this for hobby/passion, so I will go heavy when I'm young and tamper off in my age. Especially be cautious of injuries.

Those are powerlifting moves, for the most part? I mean you have seen my setup, mainly bodybuilding moves and sprinkle of others.

Lol. I actually have a goal to raw DL 1ton, so that is kind of ironic for me.

That would still be some good pulling for not doing it, might not be worth the obliteration.
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Haha it very exhilarating when you PR, that's for sure.

I'm looking for a hybrid body between Athletic and Big.

I want to be as big as I can and keep the same athleticism.

So far so good.

I should also mention that I am 24.

Not bad for a old guy. Haha.

Not serious, I'm still young!
 
Tagger said:
Haha it very exhilarating when you PR, that's for sure.

I'm looking for a hybrid body between Athletic and Big.

I want to be as big as I can and keep the same athleticism.

So far so good.

I should also mention that I am 24.

Not bad for a old guy. Haha.

Not serious, I'm still young!
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Yes it is, like seeing yourself get stronger. No better visual.

I guess I'm looking for the same, I've seen a lot of top dogs in DL are roundish, but I prefer a nice trimmed body with some size, I think 200lbs at 10%bf would be ideal, but no idea. Nice X-taper, big upper body- small waist - big lower body, the old BBers had this feature. I do stomach vacuums now to work on that.

Do you have an athletic career? Or is it just the look you want?

Oh haha, how you were wording things I thought you were much older.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Yes it is, like seeing yourself get stronger. No better visual.

I guess I'm looking for the same, I've seen a lot of top dogs in DL are roundish, but I prefer a nice trimmed body with some size, I think 200lbs at 10%bf would be ideal, but no idea. Nice X-taper, big upper body- small waist - big lower body, the old BBers had this feature. I do stomach vacuums now to work on that.

Do you have an athletic career? Or is it just the look you want?

Oh haha, how you were wording things I thought you were much older.
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Nah haha.

Yah same here 200 @ 10 is my ultimate goal but 180 at 10 is my first goal. I'm getting closer.

And yes, the old BBers is how I want to look, not like that new ****...

Like Arnolds sculpt but smaller (let's be realistic lol) and still be athletic like a Rich Fronning.

He's a CrossFitter.

Actually best friends with my best friend from basic.

And no, I don't have a athletic career, I just don't want to be huge, I just want to be big and have a great six pack.
 
Tagger said:
Nah haha. Yah same here 200 @ 10 is my ultimate goal but 180 at 10 is my first goal. I'm getting closer. And yes, the old BBers is how I want to look, not like that new ****... Like Arnolds sculpt but smaller (let's be realistic lol) and still be athletic like a Rich Fronning. He's a CrossFitter. Actually best friends with my best friend from basic. And no, I don't have a athletic career, I just don't want to be huge, I just want to be big and have a great six pack.
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Ah gotcha maybe I should go for that instead of going for the big 200 haha I was thinking of just going to 215 and recomping down to 200.

Exactly that bloat belly suckssss. Ha good ole Arnold :). Yeah I have heard of crossfit seems a bit ehhhhhh, don't know the guy tho.

Yeah I was just asking, I can understand that being huge is like kind of pointless to me especially as my career will involve lots of desk time and a suit. Unless my life suddenly turns into Bruce Banners haha
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Ah gotcha maybe I should go for that instead of going for the big 200 haha I was thinking of just going to 215 and recomping down to 200.

Exactly that bloat belly suckssss. Ha good ole Arnold :). Yeah I have heard of crossfit seems a bit ehhhhhh, don't know the guy tho.

Yeah I was just asking, I can understand that being huge is like kind of pointless to me especially as my career will involve lots of desk time and a suit. Unless my life suddenly turns into Bruce Banners haha
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Haha same here. Except I am going down till I can see dem abs and then very slowly bulking up.
 
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