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GHK-Cu-Snap8 Face serum FAQ

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This is the first of several new products that will be part of a new line of anti aging products. Writeup to come- Product is live!
 
GHK-Cu



GHK-Cu is a naturally occurring copper peptide complex found in the human body that declines with age. It is known for its ability to promote skin repair, wound healing, and anti-aging effects by stimulating collagen and elastin production, improving skin elasticity, and reducing inflammation. GHK-Cu also has antioxidant properties and can help with tissue remodeling, making it a valuable ingredient in skincare and other health applications.



GHK-Cu is a complex formed when the tripeptide glycyl-L-histidyl-L-lysine (GHK) binds with a copper (II) ion.
It is present in human plasma, saliva, and urine, but its levels decrease significantly with age.

Key Benefits:
Stimulates the production of collagen and elastin, which are crucial for skin structure and elasticity, leading to firmer, smoother skin.
Promotes tissue repair and regeneration by signaling the body to remove damaged tissue and create new, healthy tissue.
Possesses anti-inflammatory properties that can reduce redness and irritation, and acts as an antioxidant to protect against cellular damage.
Helps to improve skin texture, tone, and clarity, and can reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles.
May promote hair growth and thickness.


How it works:
  • Copper Delivery:
    The GHK peptide has a strong affinity for copper, allowing it to bind and deliver the essential copper ion to the skin and other tissues.
  • Cellular Signaling:
    GHK-Cu acts as a signaling molecule, activating fibroblasts (skin cells) to produce structural elements and growth factors essential for skin repair and remodeling.

Mechanism of Action

GHK-Cu exerts its action on a variety of pathways in the human body due to the peptide sequence and copper’s ability to promote various functions. At the site of tissue injury, GHK-Cu acts as a potent chemoattractant for mast cells, macrophages, amongst others which promote the release of proteins that stimulate the growth and repair of tissue. As stated before, GHK-Cu acts in a dual manner to remove scar tissue from injured locations and replace it with new tissue. Primarily, it acts directly on fibroblasts by increasing production of mRNA and protein for collagen, elastin, proteoglycans, glycosaminoglycans, and decorin; all of which are critical components in tissue repair and maintenance. Further, it acts to stimulate the production of metalloproteases and protease inhibitors which function to remove damaged tissue proteins. It also reduced the secretion of TGF-beta from fibroblasts during this process as TGF-beta acts to induce scar formation.


GHK-Cu also acts to increase collagen synthesis by chondrocytes within the bone. This leads to an increase in growth of human marrow stromal cells and attachment of osteoblastic cells which promote bone growth and formation. It also provides a source of copper for blood vessels in the process of angiogenesis in tissues. Because angiogenesis can not occur without a proper copper depot, GHK-Cu being present in the growing tissue is essential for survival. It has also been shown that GHK-Cu has the ability to increase differentiation and proliferation of axons within neurons, indicating it has an effect on the nervous system to ensure proper functionality. GHK-Cu blocks ferritin channels and the release of tissue damaging free (oxidative) iron after tissue injury, thus blocking iron catalyzed lipid peroxidation that occurs after injury. This mechanism of copper-peptide induced tissue repair appears to function for skin, hair follicles, the stomach lining, the intestinal lining, bone tissue, and hooves and fingernails.

GHK-Cu in Research (Expanded)​


Wound Healing and Infection Control


There have been multiple studies that have shown the profound effects of GHK-Cu on the healing of wounds. In the process of healing wounds, it causes better wound contraction, faster development of granular tissue, and improved angiogenesis to restore blood flow to damaged tissue. It has also been shown that systemic injection of GHK-Cu can also cause enhancement of the healing process. Injection of GHK-Cu into the muscle can promote tissue repair at distant locations.


A study was performed and showed that injections of GHK-Cu caused significant, systemic increases in collagen production, angiogenesis, and wound closure.There has been a clinical trial in diabetic patients suffering from ulcerations. When given a gel that contained 2% GHK-Cu, wound closure of ulcers increased by 40% and the percentage of infection decreased by 27%, showing extremely promising results for the treatment of skin injuries that can be difficult to treat due to infection. In line with this, GHK-Cu could potentially be a valuable therapy given to individuals after surgery to promote wound healing, aid with pain and prevent infection.





Anti-Inflammatory


GHK-Cu also tends to have anti-inflammatory properties. A study was performed on GHK-Cu and its interaction with TNF-alpha along with pro-inflammatory cytokines such as IL-6 in human fibroblasts. The study indicated that GHK-Cu was able to significantly decrease the amount of inflammation. So, there is a strong indication that GHK-Cu could possibly be used as either a systemic injection or topically applied therapy in the treatment of inflammatory skin conditions such as psoriasis. It was also shown that it can reduce erythema caused by UV sunlight.





Hair Growth Restoration


It has also been found that GHK-Cu stimulates hair growth. It was even shown that the efficacy of GHK-Cu for hair growth was comparable to that of 5% minoxidil, which is one of the most commonly used medications in the restoration of hair growth.


It is commonly being put in hair gels and shampoos, along with other copper peptides, to restore hair growth. In fact, a commercial product known as GraftCyte, which contains GHK-Cu, was clinically evaluated and proven to improve the outcome of hair transplantation surgeries and healing. Within the hair follicle, GHK-Cu has been shown to promote collagen production and strengthen already existing hair by stimulating growth in areas that are lacking thickness.





Facial Cosmetic


The use of GHK-Cu for anti-aging cosmetics has been extensively researched and is used widely throughout the United States in a large portion of the population. When applied to the skin, GHK-Cu can cause firming of the skin, anti-aging, and anti-wrinkle activity. There have been multiple clinical studies done to determine the efficacy of GHK-Cu for treatment to the face.


One study was done on 20 females and confirmed that GHK-Cu outperformed vitamin C and retinoic acid in increasing collagen in photoaged skin. Another clinical study was performed for 12 weeks on 67 women, and it showed that GHK-Cu significantly improved aged skin appearance, increased thickness, reduced wrinkles, and strongly induced proliferation of keratinocytes in the dermis.





Cognitive Health


It has also been shown that GHK-Cu could potentially benefit cognitive health by playing a role in nerve regeneration. A study was performed on the effect that GHK-Cu had on axons within neurons and it showed that it has the ability to increase migration of hematogenous cells into collagen tube, produce nerve growth factors, increase expression of integrins and increase the rate of regeneration of myelinated nerve fibers. Schwann cells and axon count were also increased.


A human gene expression analysis was done to determine the effects of GHK-CU in gene expression due to the fact that the molecule declines with age. It was shown that it induces a 50% or greater change of expression in 31.2% of human genes affecting multiple biochemical pathways in organs and tissues including the nervous system. If levels of this important peptide go down in the body as you age, so will expression of necessary genes. Thus, treatment by GHK-Cu may not only directly impact physical nerve regeneration, but it could impact the expression of fundamental proteins in your body.





Anti-Cancer


GHK-Cu has been recommended as a treatment for metastatic cancer. A study was performed to determine gene expression of normal and cancerous cells, and figure out what substances could silence genes involved in metastasis. They used a database of 7000 genome expression profiles, and after treatment with 1309 bioactive substances, it was found that only 2 were effective in turning down the genes overexpressed in tumor spreading; one of those was GHK-Cu. Gene control is an exciting area of medicine, especially in the realm of cancer therapy. Higher tissue copper may be the key to keeping cells younger and GHK-Cu seems to be a fantastic mediator of this system.





Lungs


It has been postulated that GHK-Cu could play a key role in the protection of the lungs from acute injury and fibrosis. Numerous studies have been performed to try and determine what role it plays, and the findings have been fairly significant. One study was able to show that it protects lung tissue from damage by being able to reduce reactive oxygen species (ROS) production, increased superoxide dismutase (SOD) activity while decreased TNF-α and IL-6 production through the suppression of NF-κB p65 and p38 MAPK signaling in vitro and in vivo model of ALI.





Moreover, GHK-Cu attenuated LPS-induced lung histological alterations, suppressed the infiltration of inflammatory cells into the lung parenchyma in LPS-induced ALI in mice. Taken together, these findings demonstrate that GHK-Cu possesses a protective effect in LPS-induced ALI by inhibiting excessive inflammatory responses; accordingly, it may represent a novel therapeutic approach for Acute Lung Injury and Respiratory Distress Syndrome. Further, it was shown that treatment of GHK-Cu reduces inflammatory cell infiltration and interstitial thickness in subjects with pulmonary fibrosis. It significantly improves collagen deposition, imbalances in lung tissue, and reduces TNF-alpha and IL-6 in alveolar fluid. Thus, GHK-Cu shows a strong indication for the treatment of a variety of lung diseases.





References​


Pickart l; Margolina A. GHK-Copper Peptide in Skin Remodeling and Anti-Aging. SOFW-Journal | 136 | 6-2010.


Gul, NY; Topal, A; Cangul, IT; Yanik, K (2008). "The effects of topical tripeptide copper complex and helium-neon laser on wound healing in rabbits". Vet Dermatol. 19 (1): 7–14. doi:10.1111/j.1365-3164.2007.00647.x.


Pickart L. Compositions for accelerating wound healing in mammals containing cupric salt or complexes with amino acid or peptide. US Patent 5,164,367, 1992.


Mulder DPM1, Gerit D.; Patt PhD2, Leonard M.; Sanders DPM, Lee; et al. (1994). "Enhanced healing of ulcers in patients with diabetes by topical treatment of glycyl-l-histidyl-l-lysine". Wound Repair Regen. 2 (4): 259–269. doi:10.1046/j.1524-475X.1994.20406.x.


Gruchlik A., Jurzak M., Chodurek E., Dzierzewicz Z. Effect of Gly-Gly-His, Gly-His-Lys and their copper complexes on TNF-alpha-dependent IL-6 secretion in normal human dermal fibroblasts. Acta. Pol. Pharm. 2012 Nov-Dec;69(6):1303-6.


Uno H, Kurata S "Chemical agents and peptides affect hair growth. J Invest Dermatol. 1993; 101(1 Suppl):143S-147S


Abdulghani, AA; Sherr, S; Shirin, S; Solodkina, G; Tapia, EM; Gottlieb, AB (1998). "Effects of topical creams containing vitamin C, a copper-binding peptide cream and melatonin compared with tretinoin on the ultrastructure of normal skin - A pilot clinical, histologic, and ultrastructural study". Disease Manag Clin Outcomes. 1: 136–141.


Ahmed, M.R.; Basha, S.H.; Gopinath, D.; Muthusamy, R.; Jayakumar, R. (2005). "Initial upregulation of growth factors and inflammatory mediators during nerve regeneration in the presence of cell adhesive peptide-incorporated collagen tubes". J. Peripher. Nerv. Syst. 10 (1): 17–30. doi:10.1111/j.1085-9489.2005.10105.x.


Pickart L; et al. The effect of the human peptide GHK-Cu on Gene Expression Relevant to Nervous System Function and Cognitive Decline.


In Clin Exp Metastasis. 2010 Feb 9. [Epub ahead of print], a paper "A 'metastasis-prone' signature for early-stage mismatch-repair proficient sporadic colorectal cancer patients and its implications for possible therapeutics" by Hong Y, Downey T, Eu KW, Koh PK, Cheah PY (Department f Colorectal Surgery, Singapore General Hospital, Singapore, 169608,Singapore)


Park j; et al. The tri-peptide GHK-Cu complex ameliorates lipopolysaccharide-induces acute lung injury in mice.Oncotarget. 2016 Sep 6; 7(36): 58405–58417. Published online 2016 Aug 10. doi:10.18632/oncotarget.11168


Zhou X; et al. GHK peptide inhibits bleomycin-induced pulmonary fibrosis in mice by suppressing TGFB1/Smad mediated epithelial mesenchymal transition. Front Pharmacol. 2017; 8: 904. Published online 2017 Dec 12. doi:10.3389/fphar.2017.00904.


Finkley MB, Appa Y, Bhandarkar S. Copper Peptide and Skin. Cosmeceuticals and Active Cosmetic, 2nd Edition, P. Eisner and H.I. Maibach (Eds.) Marcel Dekker, New York. 2005:549-563


Perez-Meza, D; Leavitt, M; Trachy, R (1988). "Clinical evaluation of GraftCyte moist dressings on hair graft viability and quality of healing". Inter. J. Cos. Surg. 6: 80–84.
 
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SNAP 8
Snap-8 is a topical anti-aging ingredient used in skincare products to reduce the depth of wrinkles by relaxing the facial muscles, similar to Botox but applied to the skin. It is a peptide that mimics a protein called SNAP-25 to interfere with the SNARE complex, which is necessary for muscle contraction. Applied to the face morning and night, Snap-8 aims to smooth fine lines and expression lines, such as those around the eyes and on the forehead.

How it Works

  • Interferes with Muscle Contraction: Snap-8 works by subtly destabilizing the SNARE complex, a cellular structure that facilitates the release of neurotransmitters from vesicles to signal muscle contraction.

  • Reduces Neurotransmitter Release: By interfering with this process, Snap-8 reduces the amount of neurotransmitter released, leading to less frequent muscle contractions.

  • Relaxes Wrinkles: The resulting muscle relaxation helps to prevent and smooth out wrinkles and fine lines caused by repetitive facial movements, such as frowning or squinting.
Benefits

  • Smoother, More Youthful Skin: By reducing muscle contractions, Snap-8 promotes a smoother skin texture and a more youthful appearance.
  • Targets Expression Lines: It is particularly effective in reducing wrinkles in areas of the face where expression lines commonly form, like the forehead and around the eyes.

  • Topical Application: Unlike Botulinum Toxin (Botox), Snap-8 is applied topically to the skin, offering a non-invasive way to target wrinkles.
SNAP 8- is a mimic of the N-terminal end of SNAP-25 which competes with SNAP-25 for a position in the SNARE complex, thereby modulating its formation. If the SNARE complex is slightly destabilized, the vesicle can not release neurotransmitters efficiently and therefore muscle contraction is attenuated, preventing the formation of lines and wrinkles.
 
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Working on it. So much stuff happening i can barely see straight. Several new products. Building out a 10000sqft manufacturing facility. New research and development chem supply which i mentioned earlier. We will have research chemicals. Email only and only for research not human use.

Ill try to get a writeup done this weekend
 
Yes sir, you had to take it to the post office for me as your system didn’t recognise guernsey for some reason
Might need to wait until things slow down. Because otherwise itll take forever to get it out.
 
How would this compare to tretonoin?

I'm looking for a decent alternative.
It has a much different mechanism of action but it does have similar properties with regards to wrinkles and skin tone and texture. Tretonoin is frequently used for acne and while GHK-Cu can help here it wouldnt be its primary use. I do hear its great for those who have acne though as it heals the skin.
 
I have made a new GHK shampoo. Its really good, ive been using it for 2 weeks and it is great for scalp health and GHK-cu has been touted for hair regrowth. Its a great product but it does have alot of GHK in it.
Would you be willing to pay 50-70$ for shampoo? 350ml.
Ultimately I could make it weaker and have it be cheaper. THis is what most companies do. You will see 99% of serums and even the few shampoos I see are light blue. Ours is deep cerulean blue like GHK should be. Because its got a ton of GHK in it.

Would you be willing to pay top dollar for a GHK shampoo if it was at least 3%?
 
I have made a new GHK shampoo. Its really good, ive been using it for 2 weeks and it is great for scalp health and GHK-cu has been touted for hair regrowth. Its a great product but it does have alot of GHK in it.
Would you be willing to pay 50-70$ for shampoo? 350ml.
Ultimately I could make it weaker and have it be cheaper. THis is what most companies do. You will see 99% of serums and even the few shampoos I see are light blue. Ours is deep cerulean blue like GHK should be. Because its got a ton of GHK in it.

Would you be willing to pay top dollar for a GHK shampoo if it was at least 3%?
Are there any studies on it being effective for regrowth in the form of shampoo? I could see $50 as practical if data supports effectiveness. Are there other actives in your formula such as caffeine, saw palmetto or rosemary? I'm keenly interested in hair regrowth.
 
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I have made a new GHK shampoo. Its really good, ive been using it for 2 weeks and it is great for scalp health and GHK-cu has been touted for hair regrowth. Its a great product but it does have alot of GHK in it.
Would you be willing to pay 50-70$ for shampoo? 350ml.
Ultimately I could make it weaker and have it be cheaper. THis is what most companies do. You will see 99% of serums and even the few shampoos I see are light blue. Ours is deep cerulean blue like GHK should be. Because its got a ton of GHK in it.

Would you be willing to pay top dollar for a GHK shampoo if it was at least 3%?
I would, that's about the price of premium shampoos I've used in the past.
 
If it was premium then sure. But I wouldn’t buy it if it included Saw Palmetto, have experienced some nasty sides when using that personally
 
I have made a new GHK shampoo. Its really good, ive been using it for 2 weeks and it is great for scalp health and GHK-cu has been touted for hair regrowth. Its a great product but it does have alot of GHK in it.
Would you be willing to pay 50-70$ for shampoo? 350ml.
Ultimately I could make it weaker and have it be cheaper. THis is what most companies do. You will see 99% of serums and even the few shampoos I see are light blue. Ours is deep cerulean blue like GHK should be. Because its got a ton of GHK in it.

Would you be willing to pay top dollar for a GHK shampoo if it was at least 3%?

I don't think a shampoo is on the scalp long enough to cause any hair growth? I used Nizarol 2% ketocanazole for a year and it done nothing. I know ketocanazole can regrow hair but in a shampoo format it's washed off the scalp after a few minutes. I also used caffeine shampoo and same outcome. I can't say for certain regarding GHK as I haven't experimented with it yet.

I know GHK has been shown to promote hair regrowth. I think this is in a serum format though?

I think you might have more success with a serum that could be used on your skin ie face and hair? Would just allow the copper to penetrate and do it's work?

I was thinking of making a tallow/ghk balm but I'm not sure if the tallow might lock up the ghk and it won't be absorbed? I've used a few products over the years and tallow has been my favourite so far. I'm using Tretonoin 0.025 first then tallow on top and it's been incredible. Not sure if adding the GHK would add any beneficial benefits?
 
I don't think a shampoo is on the scalp long enough to cause any hair growth? I used Nizarol 2% ketocanazole for a year and it done nothing. I know ketocanazole can regrow hair but in a shampoo format it's washed off the scalp after a few minutes. I also used caffeine shampoo and same outcome. I can't say for certain regarding GHK as I haven't experimented with it yet.

I know GHK has been shown to promote hair regrowth. I think this is in a serum format though?

I think you might have more success with a serum that could be used on your skin ie face and hair? Would just allow the copper to penetrate and do it's work?

I was thinking of making a tallow/ghk balm but I'm not sure if the tallow might lock up the ghk and it won't be absorbed? I've used a few products over the years and tallow has been my favourite so far. I'm using Tretonoin 0.025 first then tallow on top and it's been incredible. Not sure if adding the GHK would add any beneficial benefits?
Purpose of the tallow on scalp?
 
Are there any studies on it being effective for regrowth in the form of shampoo? I could see $50 as practical if data supports effectiveness. Are there other actives in your formula such as caffeine, saw palmetto or rosemary? I'm keenly interested in hair regrowth.
I dont know of any studies specifically regarding shampoo no but I do know that applying it to your scalp every day has a number of studies indicating its effective. Now, how does shampoo compare to a serum? I dont know aside from anecdotal reports. There are some reviews from stembotany's shampoo but they look fake because similar writing styles are used in all of them and repeated. Like the opening line I so so so great and I love love love this. Normal people dont speak like that, its a grammatical anomaly which indicates the same person wrote it.
Doesnt mean it doesnt work it just means that like most companies they have fake reviews up.
Ive been using the shampoo for a couple weeks and I can at least say that the shampoo itself is very nice. Smells nice but really mild lavender scent from the lavender hydrosol. Lathers nicely and rinses off really clean. Honestly even if it didnt have ghk I would use it daily and do. Now.....to be 100% honest I didnt look at my hair before and havnt looked at it since so I cant say its helping or not. Ive been bald for 20+ years so I dont have high hopes.

Its the best ghk shampoo formula out there. That I can say for sure and that it has a real 3% ghk in it which is exceptionally high. I saw one that had .05%.
 
If it was premium then sure. But I wouldn’t buy it if it included Saw Palmetto, have experienced some nasty sides when using that personally
Presently we dont plan on adding anything else to it except the GHK. Its a really simple formula. Not like the shampoo formulas most brands have with 399 ingredients. Its as natural as a shampoo can be, no sulfates and nothing unnecessary.
 
I don't think a shampoo is on the scalp long enough to cause any hair growth? I used Nizarol 2% ketocanazole for a year and it done nothing. I know ketocanazole can regrow hair but in a shampoo format it's washed off the scalp after a few minutes. I also used caffeine shampoo and same outcome. I can't say for certain regarding GHK as I haven't experimented with it yet.

I know GHK has been shown to promote hair regrowth. I think this is in a serum format though?

I think you might have more success with a serum that could be used on your skin ie face and hair? Would just allow the copper to penetrate and do it's work?

I was thinking of making a tallow/ghk balm but I'm not sure if the tallow might lock up the ghk and it won't be absorbed? I've used a few products over the years and tallow has been my favourite so far. I'm using Tretonoin 0.025 first then tallow on top and it's been incredible. Not sure if adding the GHK would add any beneficial benefits?
I cant make any claims. I dont know for sure as I just started using it. All I can say for sure is its the cleanest shampoo formula with the highest ghk content.
 
Not sure if it's been brought up, but will this new product also enhance beard growth? I have a little bit of patchiness that I would like to improve. I have tried minoxidil on the beard which is off label but slightly works
 
I have what I think is post-inflammatory erythema back from when I was given accutane 10+ years ago at this point. My derm assured me it would fade over time but it never really has and tretinion and everything I've tried otc really did not have that much of an effect. Hoping this serum will help! I'll post an update with any progress I see from it.
Not sure if it's been brought up, but will this new product also enhance beard growth? I have a little bit of patchiness that I would like to improve. I have tried minoxidil on the beard which is off label but slightly works
I'll also post if I notice any changes in my beard, my facial hair is super dense on my chin, neck, jawline, and mustache but sparser on my cheeks. I tried oral minoxidil for quite some time but it had no effect there; I was hesitant to try topical because of my cats.
 
Not sure if it's been brought up, but will this new product also enhance beard growth? I have a little bit of patchiness that I would like to improve. I have tried minoxidil on the beard which is off label but slightly works
The shampoo might help yes but we have a dedicated hair growth product coming next. Serum. The shampoo is great but this stuff is more of a rifle vs a shotgun. You can apply directly to the problem areas and its got a new compound in it ;)
 
The shampoo might help yes but we have a dedicated hair growth product coming next. Serum. The shampoo is great but this stuff is more of a rifle vs a shotgun. You can apply directly to the problem areas and its got a new compound in it ;)
Would the serum be effective if applied on the scalp?
 
This is the first of several new products that will be part of a new line of anti aging products. Writeup to come- Product is live!

Roughly what’s the app protocol and how long would a bottle last?
 
This is the first of several new products that will be part of a new line of anti aging products. Writeup to come- Product is live!

Looks a fantastic product. Do you think it can compete with tretonoin? I've been using Tretonoin now for a month and slowly seeing changes. I know that full results will probably take around a year. I just started with 0.025. I do have a 0.05 that I will work up to and remain here.

I would still try this product though. I've heard nothing but positives for GHK and Snap-8.
 
Looks like @brundel has been MIA
Its been a while since Ive been able to get on the forums.
Ive been busy building building out 2 new companies. Specifically nutra manufacturing and a new peptide brand. USA made, Traceable back to the API manufacturer, Pharm grade. RUO, Wholesale, Manufacturing.
100% made in the USA even the peptide themselves.
The RUO is, of course only for Universities, Clinical trials, etc. So if you are performing research in the peptide space DM me and Ill send you a list.
We will have our website up in a week or so.
Everyone from AM who DMs me will receive 25% off their orders. This is the only place I am aware of that you can get peptides that are actually made in the USA not just they say they are. And our purity, quantity and endotoxin testing is at or below Pharmaceutical levels.
 
How’s that shampoo coming along?
The shampoo is amazing we have been wholesaling it and its really good. Ill see about getting it up on the site this week or early next week.
We also have a bunch of new products.
Some absolute fire is coming.
 
The shampoo is amazing we have been wholesaling it and its really good. Ill see about getting it up on the site this week or early next week.
We also have a bunch of new products.
Some absolute fire is coming.
What about the Serum..? Is it ready for purchase?

And any eta on Viron? Or any sneak peaks?
 
What about the Serum..? Is it ready for purchase?

And any eta on Viron? Or any sneak peaks?
The GHK-Cu Snap 8 Face serum has been up on the site for a while.
Use code SNAP for 25% off serums.
We manufacture these for a bunch of companies and the average price they sell for is 180$ a bottle.
Ours are much less and there is a 25% code ;)

Viron will be much more comprehensive than the previous version.
I dont want to leak any info but its very good. We are testing it now with labs.

I can tell you there are some really epic new products coming. We are branching out ALOT.
Still staying in our lane with bodybuilding related products but they will look different from anyone elses.
Working on patents for several new compounds. Really solid stuff including a new AI thats absolutely a BEAST.

And a whole new line of stuff thats......Going to be desirable for everyone.
 
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