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bean5er said:
Very very good explanation here^^^. Couldn't agree more. Totally depends on your goals. All the hype with IF is very misleading. As snags said I've yet to see or hear of any COMPETITIVE bb's or physique athletes use this. BUT to each their own I guess.
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Yeah snags always has a good way of explaining things. I've heard of a few fitness models and the like using IF but yeah not any professional Bbers. I'm only utilising the fasted training aspect currently but think I may give IF a shot for a month or so while in this competition with kleen and the others.
 
Lukef2000 said:
Yeah snags always has a good way of explaining things. I've heard of a few fitness models and the like using IF but yeah not any professional Bbers. I'm only utilising the fasted training aspect currently but think I may give IF a shot for a month or so while in this competition with kleen and the others.
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I'd be interested In your thoughts if you use it. I did it for 3ish months and hated it. Some like it obviously and I hope you have good experience with it bud :-). Hope you didn't take my last post as rude at all, I just have strong feelings against it is all.

Back to the pumping. Wait what
 
bean5er said:
I'd be interested In your thoughts if you use it. I did it for 3ish months and hated it. Some like it obviously and I hope you have good experience with it bud :-). Hope you didn't take my last post as rude at all, I just have strong feelings against it is all.

Back to the pumping. Wait what
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I'm sure I'm not going to like it lol, I LOVE food and the thought I going 16hrs without doesn't really appeal to me. I didn't take it as rude at all bro. I've wanted to try it for awhile but due to working rostered days-nights-days off type thing it's actually impossible to stick to. Got a month off work so I can put in some serious dieting / workout consistency to kick this comp off.
 
Day 10

1 scoop stimul8
4 creatona pre wo
4 max pump pre wo

I tried out a full scoop of stimul8 today and it was a bit much. I felt overstimmed for the first 20 mins or so. 3/4 is where I'll be staying I think until I develop more of a tolerance.

I didn't get a chance to do my heavy compound day (squat dead bench) as wifey booked a few appointments so I had to squeeze in a quick workout before night shift.

Pull day

Wide grip chins
Bw x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10

Hammer strength Lat pulldowns
175 x 8 x 8 x 8

Single arm rows
125 x 7
110 x 9 x 8

T bar rows
225 x 8 x 8
250 x 6 PR incidental pr here the gym has splashed out and brought some new plates same size and color as 45s but their 55s and I didn't realize until I unloaded them.

Hammer ground station shrugs
Did 5 sets working up to 455 for 8.

Reverse delt cable flyes
25 x 12 x 12 x 12

Hammer strength preacher curls
90 x 8
80 x 9
65 x 10

Wide grip Bb curls ( first time trying these an I don't like them at all. Grip the bars almost out by the collar to target the inner bicep head.)
65 x 8 x 8 x 8

Cable rope curls
No weights in this machine but 3 x 10

Decent enough workout I was all done in under an hour, strength was down a bit at the start due to the overstimmed situation but it wasn't overly bad.
Had the huge thermo thing happening as per usual, was drenched when I was done. I noticed some sick vascularity going on when I was doing curls, all up my forearms and into my biceps!
Diet was good 2810 calories.
 
Nice work Luke.

I agree with you on the full scoop. It's just a little much for me too.
 
Lukef2000 said:
I'm sure I'm not going to like it lol, I LOVE food and the thought I going 16hrs without doesn't really appeal to me. I didn't take it as rude at all bro. I've wanted to try it for awhile but due to working rostered days-nights-days off type thing it's actually impossible to stick to. Got a month off work so I can put in some serious dieting / workout consistency to kick this comp off.
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then why do it?
there is nothing magical about it...ppl seem to love it because they "don't have time" to eat more meals daily, and they feel it is more conducive to their "lifestyle"
if your schedule is not conducive to IF, I surely wouldn't TRY to make it work, no way
and no matter what anyone thinks, I will stand adamantly on how ridiculous I think the whole premise is
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
then why do it?
there is nothing magical about it...ppl seem to love it because they "don't have time" to eat more meals daily, and they feel it is more conducive to their "lifestyle"
if your schedule is not conducive to IF, I surely wouldn't TRY to make it work, no way
and no matter what anyone thinks, I will stand adamantly on how ridiculous I think the whole premise is
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Well there's always been a huge deal of hype around the whole IF thing and I want to give it a go for just that reason. My normal schedule doesn't allow to try these types of thing so now that I have some time off I see it as an opportunity to try something new. Plus after my holiday you and I will carry on where we left off and I'm looking forward to that.
 
Personal experience.

I did IF for about six months. Lost a lot of fat. Lost a lot of muscle. Quick fix IMO. Steady progress in either direction be it gaining size or losing fat will, in the long run, be much more beneficial.
 
Different strokes for different folks gentlemen, nothing magical about IF and nothing magical about 6 meals a day either. I went from 204 to 209 in these pics using IF 200mg of Test E per week and 30-45mg of Epivar a day and Ipamoralen at 100mg 3 times per day. Not a crazy stack and definitely not anything stronger than what most of the guys in here run on the 5-6 meals a day and easily as good results. There is 5 lbs scale weight and obviously a good bit of fat loss so LBM gains were much higher than 5 lbs.

Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Not just one way is right. All you have to do it get your calories and macros in and IF or 6 meals works. Now if you need 6000-10000 and are running enough gear and HGH to justify what the pros eat then maybe you don't want to do IF. If you have a very fast metabolism you may not want to do IF, but a blanket statement saying it doesn't work is just showing prejudice toward such a different eating strategy in the face of proof that it works. It is just not for some people and that is okay too.

Considering I did this in 8 weeks on IF and during my prep before I got injured earlier this year I was on more stuff and I didn't make any better progress at 5-6 meals a day it simply goes to show neither is any better than the other simply different ways to get there. One more more enjoyable food choices. I would say the only drawback to IF is it can become easy to relax a bit on, and sometimes more structure is required to real me back in.

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MrKleen73 said:
Different strokes for different folks gentlemen, nothing magical about IF and nothing magical about 6 meals a day either. I went from 204 to 209 in these pics using IF 200mg of Test E per week and 30-45mg of Epivar a day and Ipamoralen at 100mg 3 times per day. Not a crazy stack and definitely not anything stronger than what most of the guys in here run on the 5-6 meals a day and easily as good results. There is 5 lbs scale weight and obviously a good bit of fat loss so LBM gains were much higher than 5 lbs. Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Not just one way is right. All you have to do it get your calories and macros in and IF or 6 meals works. Now if you need 6000-10000 and are running enough gear and HGH to justify what the pros eat then maybe you don't want to do IF. If you have a very fast metabolism you may not want to do IF, but a blanket statement saying it doesn't work is just showing prejudice toward such a different eating strategy in the face of proof that it works. It is just not for some people and that is okay too. Considering I did this in 8 weeks on IF and during my prep before I got injured earlier this year I was on more stuff and I didn't make any better progress at 5-6 meals a day it simply goes to show neither is any better than the other simply different ways to get there. One more more enjoyable food choices. I would say the only drawback to IF is it can become easy to relax a bit on, and sometimes more structure is required to real me back in.
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Well said Chris you are so much better at getting a point across than I am lol.

I am simply not a fan because, like you say ^^^ for me it was way too easy to relax on, I had horrid GI issues with 2-3 big meals and I felt horrible In the fasted state.

I most definitely agree that there's more than one way to skin a cat. Look at IIFYM, it is hated amongst most guys and coaches yet there's people who make it work for themselves and their clients. Some people eat clean 100% of the time and it works, this for most isn't all that easy to do.

Id venture to say that if I could prepare even 4 of my 6-7 meals a day fresh it would be ten times easier to stick to a plan 100% of the time. The fact that I eat 5-6 out of my 6-7 meals a day cold dry and generally chicken gets ****ing old.

My main complaint about IF is all the hype that comes along with it, that it's magical and the best way to get lean fast. That's complete BS. Just like saying 6/7 meals are better than 3-4. Whatever works for YOU is what you should do period! Experimenting with different things is what we all with our training so why is shouldn't we do it with our nutrition.

I lived the "clean" eating for 21 weeks to get to the best shape I've ever been, being so restricted for so long caused me to binge for 48 hours and guess what, I lost that physique I worked so hard for in those 48 hours. No lie. So to me what the hell is the point. Somewhere in the middle is where I'm at.

Lol rant over sorry luke.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Different strokes for different folks gentlemen, nothing magical about IF and nothing magical about 6 meals a day either. I went from 204 to 209 in these pics using IF 200mg of Test E per week and 30-45mg of Epivar a day and Ipamoralen at 100mg 3 times per day. Not a crazy stack and definitely not anything stronger than what most of the guys in here run on the 5-6 meals a day and easily as good results. There is 5 lbs scale weight and obviously a good bit of fat loss so LBM gains were much higher than 5 lbs.

Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Not just one way is right. All you have to do it get your calories and macros in and IF or 6 meals works. Now if you need 6000-10000 and are running enough gear and HGH to justify what the pros eat then maybe you don't want to do IF. If you have a very fast metabolism you may not want to do IF, but a blanket statement saying it doesn't work is just showing prejudice toward such a different eating strategy in the face of proof that it works. It is just not for some people and that is okay too.

Considering I did this in 8 weeks on IF and during my prep before I got injured earlier this year I was on more stuff and I didn't make any better progress at 5-6 meals a day it simply goes to show neither is any better than the other simply different ways to get there. One more more enjoyable food choices. I would say the only drawback to IF is it can become easy to relax a bit on, and sometimes more structure is required to real me back in.
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I love the way you put things Chris and very much on point IMO as per usual :)

bean5er said:
Well said Chris you are so much better at getting a point across than I am lol.

I am simply not a fan because, like you say ^^^ for me it was way too easy to relax on, I had horrid GI issues with 2-3 big meals and I felt horrible In the fasted state.

I most definitely agree that there's more than one way to skin a cat. Look at IIFYM, it is hated amongst most guys and coaches yet there's people who make it work for themselves and their clients. Some people eat clean 100% of the time and it works, this for most isn't all that easy to do.

Id venture to say that if I could prepare even 4 of my 6-7 meals a day fresh it would be ten times easier to stick to a plan 100% of the time. The fact that I eat 5-6 out of my 6-7 meals a day cold dry and generally chicken gets ****ing old.

My main complaint about IF is all the hype that comes along with it, that it's magical and the best way to get lean fast. That's complete BS. Just like saying 6/7 meals are better than 3-4. Whatever works for YOU is what you should do period! Experimenting with different things is what we all with our training so why is shouldn't we do it with our nutrition.

I lived the "clean" eating for 21 weeks to get to the best shape I've ever been, being so restricted for so long caused me to binge for 48 hours and guess what, I lost that physique I worked so hard for in those 48 hours. No lie. So to me what the hell is the point. Somewhere in the middle is where I'm at.

Lol rant over sorry luke.
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Haha all good bro I'm known to rant quite frequently :P
The hype is the very reason I'm looking to try it, I was to see how IF works for me as an individual and then I can make up my own mind about it, I'm positive that its OVER hyped to an extreme but until I try if for myself ill never actually know.
 
lqtm

there seems to be this misunderstood, errant assumption that those who do not care for the IF philosophy, automatically are of the "6 meals a day is better" school of thought

:p

has nothing to do with it
but it is quite apparent that some ppl (read: you luke!) think there IS something magical about the protocol -- it is in the way you refer to it, the way you write about it, the way you say "you will never know if you don't try it"

hey - whatever floats your boat
this is an internet message board....I'm not trying to get into arguments on here about what the best way to construct a diet is LOL
you do what you want..tell me how it works out for you
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
lqtm

there seems to be this misunderstood, errant assumption that those who do not care for the IF philosophy, automatically are of the "6 meals a day is better" school of thought

:p

has nothing to do with it
but it is quite apparent that some ppl (read: you luke!) think there IS something magical about the protocol -- it is in the way you refer to it, the way you write about it, the way you say "you will never know if you don't try it"

hey - whatever floats your boat
this is an internet message board....I'm not trying to get into arguments on here about what the best way to construct a diet is LOL
you do what you want..tell me how it works out for you
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Hey snags don't get me wrong here I know there is absolutely nothing magical about IF or any other method of dieting. Structure and consistency is what gets results with any diet. I have always found it interesting and have wanted to give it a try but due to my hectic irregular work schedule I've never had the opportunity. Since I have a month off I saw it as a chance to give it a shot.
 
Day 11

3/4 scoop cstimul8
4 creatona pre wo
4 max pump pre wo

Really dragging ass today, didn't sleep well after night shift at all. Stimul8 helped a lot, without it I provably would've skipped on the gym. Hit some shoulders and triceps

Smith shoulder press
90x 12
135 x 12
155 x 12
165 x 9
175 x 6
155 x 7
135 x 7

Side lateral raises
30s x 10 x 10 x 10

Hammer strength side laterals
25 x 10 x 10 x 10
Superset
Plate front raises
45 x 10 x 10 x 10

Barbell shoulder burnouts
65 x 29 x 21 x 14 minimal rest periods here

Close gri bench
135 x 12 x12 x 12

Seated overhead db estensions
90 x 7
75 x 12 x 12

Cable rope overhead extensions
50 3 x failure

Stimul8 really shone through here, really gave me th drive to push forward even though I was feeling like shít. My whole upper body was pumped up and I had veins going all over the place from my shoulders down into my chest and biceps.
Diet was decent everything mirrored yesterday's,
 
Day 12

4ax pump before bed
4 creatona before bed

Not much happening today, had to drive 12hours with the wife and dogs to go away for our holiday. Pre prepared some hard boiled eggs, some pre made whey and oatmeal shakes, natty pb, rice cakes etc etc. back into it tomorrow.
 
Day13


3/4 scoop stimul8
4 creatona
4 max pump

First night at wife's mums house last night, I was so beat when I got in a had a bite to eat then crashed. Woke up feeling one what refreshed but locked up with sinus issues, the result of having her 3 dogs and 4 cats inside for the last ten years... Anyways I went own and hit some legs, I had to forego squats this session as my hip flexor was giving me a few issues

Leg press
3pps x 15
5pps x 12
7pps x 10
9pps x 8
10pps x8
9pps x 8

Cable hack squat
365 x 15 x15 x 15

Barbel walking lunges
75 x 12 x 12 x 12

Stiff legged deads
225 x 8 x 8 x 8

Leg curls
110 x 10 x 10 x 10
Superset
Leg extension
135 x 12 x 12 x 12
Superset
Seated calve raises
90 x 18 x 16 x 13

Pretty decent workout overall, i had a schweet pump going on in my quads and hammies. I was having a slight issue walking..... I'm absolutely loving Stimul8, I. Think I've found my new favourite.
I saw this chick today, decent enough in the face but damn fine body, and what impressed me the most about said chick, she ATG squatted 285 for 7 on her final set. I have ever seen a girl squat like that before. She would've been 110 max.
 
Nice shoulder and leg presses there, Luke.

I've never seen that either. There are a few girls at my gym with great form, and two that do front squats too which is impressive, but never seen a girls go over 185 there.
 
RegisterJr said:
Nice shoulder and leg presses there, Luke. There are a few girls at my gym with great behinds, and two that do front squats are impressive and fun to watch.
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Fixed! Nice job Luke. RJ, smhs
 
I need me a jug of that! I have plenty Creatrona and MAX PUMP I need some Stimul8 to finish the stack!
 
RegisterJr said:
Nice shoulder and leg presses there, Luke.

I've never seen that either. There are a few girls at my gym with great form, and two that do front squats too which is impressive, but never seen a girls go over 185 there.
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Thanks man! Yeah I was blown away that's for sure!

kenpoengineer said:
Fixed! Nice job Luke. RJ, smhs
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Haha nice!

Montego1 said:
:djparty:

Join the crowd!
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You guys have me sold :)


bean5er said:
^^^ this! By far my favorite pre.
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You and me both bromie

MrKleen73 said:
I need me a jug of that! I have plenty Creatrona and MAX PUMP I need some Stimul8 to finish the stack!
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You'll love it kleen!

iparatroop said:
It's good stuff Maynard. Sometimes too good for me.
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Yeah it's very easy to have too much, as I found out the hard way the other day...

wasme said:
Just getting all caught up here... killing it Luke!
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Bout time you got in here Simon! :)
 
Day 14

4 creatona
4 max pump
3/4 scoop stimul8

Was rather pressed for time today but I did manage to squeeze in a quick chest day. Done and dusted in 30 mins.

Chest day

Barbell bench
225 x 5 x 5 x 5 x 5 x 5

Incline bench press
135 x 10
155 x 10
175 x 10

Pure strength chest press
90 pet side x 8 x 8 x 8
Superset
Push-ups
Bw 3 x failure

Low cable flyes
20 x 10 x 10 x 10

High cable flyes
30 x 10 x 10 x 10

Actually a fair bit of work in 30 minutes. Stimul8 has me amped up and I was just smashing through it. Elbows still a bit tender but it held up ok under the moderate weight.
Ok so I hit legs yesterday and today I can feel it but its not sore whatsoever. I take it the improved recovery is from the creatona??
Haven't been tracking cals properly these last few days but all in all its been pretty clean, I've had to sub in steak for chicken and turkey as that's all the father in law has in the fridge. What a shame lol.
 
That's a lot of work to squeeze in in 30min! I've noticed the same in the decreased DOMs...

I feel so bad for you having to eat steak. >:/
 
Lukef2000 said:
Day 14

4 creatona
4 max pump
3/4 scoop stimul8

Was rather pressed for time today but I did manage to squeeze in a quick chest day. Done and dusted in 30 mins.

Chest day

Barbell bench
225 x 5 x 5 x 5 x 5 x 5

Incline bench press
135 x 10
155 x 10
175 x 10

Pure strength chest press
90 pet side x 8 x 8 x 8
Superset
Push-ups
Bw 3 x failure

Low cable flyes
20 x 10 x 10 x 10

High cable flyes
30 x 10 x 10 x 10

Actually a fair bit of work in 30 minutes. Stimul8 has me amped up and I was just smashing through it. Elbows still a bit tender but it held up ok under the moderate weight.
Ok so I hit legs yesterday and today I can feel it but its not sore whatsoever. I take it the improved recovery is from the creatona??
Haven't been tracking cals properly these last few days but all in all its been pretty clean, I've had to sub in steak for chicken and turkey as that's all the father in law has in the fridge. What a shame lol.
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Crea-Trona and Max Pump both improve recovery and performance. So yeah it's working :P
 
Montego1 said:
Oh speaking of that. How did you like it the other day?
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I liked it, I took like 2/3-3/4 scoop that time and it was pretty darn good. Got a lil of te chill everyone talked about but was still able to eat after! We tore that place down!


Nice lift Luke way to make it happen!
 
Lukef2000 said:
Day 14 4 creatona 4 max pump 3/4 scoop stimul8 Was rather pressed for time today but I did manage to squeeze in a quick chest day. Done and dusted in 30 mins. Chest day Barbell bench 225 x 5 x 5 x 5 x 5 x 5 Incline bench press 135 x 10 155 x 10 175 x 10 Pure strength chest press 90 pet side x 8 x 8 x 8 Superset Push-ups Bw 3 x failure Low cable flyes 20 x 10 x 10 x 10 High cable flyes 30 x 10 x 10 x 10 Actually a fair bit of work in 30 minutes. Stimul8 has me amped up and I was just smashing through it. Elbows still a bit tender but it held up ok under the moderate weight. Ok so I hit legs yesterday and today I can feel it but its not sore whatsoever. I take it the improved recovery is from the creatona?? Haven't been tracking cals properly these last few days but all in all its been pretty clean, I've had to sub in steak for chicken and turkey as that's all the father in law has in the fridge. What a shame lol.
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This is more in 30 minutes than A LOT of people do in a whole session. I think this speaks volumes for the focus that Stimul8 provides. As far as taking too much, I'm a 1/2 scoop guy as I don't take it every day so my tolerance is low. I like it that way...
 
MrKleen73 said:
I liked it, I took like 2/3-3/4 scoop that time and it was pretty darn good. Got a lil of te chill everyone talked about but was still able to eat after! We tore that place down!
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3/4 of scoop treats me so well. Thermo/chill effect almost regulates me (I sweat like crazy, then cool off to a chill before the heat comes back), my ligts and runs are better and I still get some hunger suppression but not quite like the first few weeks I used it.
 
3/4 is perfect for me, and I love the sweats that come with it. But, if I were doing HIIT, I'd probably not go above 1/2. Yet...
 
RegisterJr said:
That's a lot of work to squeeze in in 30min! I've noticed the same in the decreased DOMs... I feel so bad for you having to eat steak. >:/
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bean5er said:
Nice work Luke! Way to squeeze a session in when most would've put it off.
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Yeah it was definitely quite an intense session, almost zero rest, just a quick walk around the room then straight back into it.

Montego1 said:
Crea-Trona and Max Pump both improve recovery and performance. So yeah it's working :P
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That's good I knew it was something as I'm usually ****ed for a few days doms wise post legs session

MrKleen73 said:
I liked it, I took like 2/3-3/4 scoop that time and it was pretty darn good. Got a lil of te chill everyone talked about but was still able to eat after! We tore that place down! Nice lift Luke way to make it happen!
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Thank Kleen!

iparatroop said:
This is more in 30 minutes than A LOT of people do in a whole session. I think this speaks volumes for the focus that Stimul8 provides. As far as taking too much, I'm a 1/2 scoop guy as I don't take it every day so my tolerance is low. I like it that way...
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Focus is an understatement lol I was in the zone!

wasme said:
3/4 of scoop treats me so well. Thermo/chill effect almost regulates me (I sweat like crazy, then cool off to a chill before the heat comes back), my ligts and runs are better and I still get some hunger suppression but not quite like the first few weeks I used it.
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RegisterJr said:
3/4 is perfect for me, and I love the sweats that come with it. But, if I were doing HIIT, I'd probably not go above 1/2. Yet...
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3/4 scoop is def my sweet spot as well, I haven't done Hiit on it yet but will be incorporating cardio days from here on out! Will make sure I start out low as cardio makes me sweat insane amounts without the help of thermogenics.
 
Day 15

4 creatona pre wo
4 max pump pre wo
3/4 scoop stimul8

Coerced the wife into lifting with me today, needless to say the intensity was not there whatsoever but it was still fun.had an awesome pump as we lifted a ****load of volume. I didn't have my notebook but we did plenty for biceps and triceps. The pump I had was insane crazy, and the veins I had a poppin was impressive.
Didn't track diet again today but it was clean. Mostly lean cuts of steak, rice and veges with a roast lamb for dinner. Off day tomorrow!
 
Lukef2000 said:
but will be incorporating cardio days from here on out! Will make sure I start out low as cardio makes me sweat insane amounts without the help of thermogenics.
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You will notice, your pace quicken, deeper breathing and a solid mindset which actually makes my runs more enjoyable.
 
Day 16

4 creatona
4 max pump both before bed

Not much to me to mention today, was I. The vets with my dog last night and most of the morning, poor little guy had to have an eye lift.

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Needless to say today was a planned off day, will probably take the next few days of as well. Diet was kept in check and will be back to tracking cals tomorrow.
 
My wife has always wanted an English Bulldog, but they're just so expensive to maintain.
 
Dang. Give him some bcaa+saa....that'll aid in recovery :)
 
They are always happier once they get them and heal up. Had a friend who's EBD's needed them.
 
Day 16

4 creatonA
4 max pump both pre bed

Another off day today, not a great deal to mention. I did feel rather pumped when I woke up this morning, skin just felt tighter and it was an awesome feeling to wake up to.
Cals 2397 243g pro 165g carbs 83g fats
 
RegisterJr said:
My wife has always wanted an English Bulldog, but they're just so expensive to maintain.
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Haha yes very true this I have found the hard way, I have two so its doubly expensive. All I can say is thank **** for pet insurance!!
Montego1 said:
Dang. Give him some bcaa+saa....that'll aid in recovery :)
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Hahah bcaas fix everything :P

bean5er said:
Me too. Always wanted a bully.

Lol
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Oh they're the best type of dog IMO, always make me laugh and their temperament is outstanding!

MrKleen73 said:
They are always happier once they get them and heal up. Had a friend who's EBD's needed them.
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Very true, his eyelids were curling in and starting to scratch his eyeball so while it was horrible having to put him through it it was for his benefit in the long run.
 
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Hes a genetically gifted bulldog, look at that muscle! Little fuker never even lifted a weight.
 
Lukef2000 said:
Day 16

4 creatonA
4 max pump both pre bed

Another off day today, not a great deal to mention. I did feel rather pumped when I woke up this morning, skin just felt tighter and it was an awesome feeling to wake up to.
Cals 2397 243g pro 165g carbs 83g fats
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The MAX Pump taken at night provides that morning pump for sure. Love waking up to some vascularity.
 
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