Getting close to first cycle,.. Critique my options please

Threlpappy

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Ok so after years of carful diet and and well planed and executed workout routines I have decided to try and break some plateaus with my first cycle.. Please don't try and save my natty soul.. I'm going in no matter what.

Here are my narrowed down options after a year or so of lurking and research

1- rpn havoc 4-5 weeks with on cycle (tbd) and joint support.. Pst to be nolva 20/20/10/10 with a post cycle otc t booster sup

Novla from CMEproducts - tamox

Option 2 - osta shread (ostarine) 25/d 6 weeks with strong sup shop recommended stack with anafuse and joint support, pst is otc post cycle 3x with nolva on hand just in case.

Both ways I'll follow high protein cal even diet and high omega3 (I use cod liver oil from Norway)

Any thoughts are welcome, thanks in advance.
 
Well I guess your goals would dictate which of the two would be better suited. If you want to add mass, go with the havoc, strictly recomp or cut, go with osta. If you choose havoc you may want to consider a test base and also have an AI on hand. I have run a 4 week Olympus Labs Ostarine cycle and can attest to its recomp/cutting abilities. Didn't make any crazy gains, but steady and definitely had a good leaning effect. It was fairly suppressive and it took awhile for libido to return to normal after I ran Super3 PCT also from Olympus Labs. I would run again but would definitely run Nolva +test booster as pct. Also, on the Anafuse, it is a proprietary blend so you don't really know how much Epicatechin you are getting. If you're set on that, perhaps OL Epic or BLR Follidrone would be a better choice.I have used EPIC pwo only @600 mg with really good results. Would make a great addition to an osta run. Osta is very therapeutic for joints and tendons so joint support shouldn't be necessary but would be needed if you choose Havoc. Good luck to you on whichever path you choose.
 
I can vouch for the OstaShred because I currently am fixing to enter my 6th week on cycle and I'm going for 8 weeks total. Currently no sides and it has helped me cut a good amount of body fat and added at least 2-3lbs of solid mass. Good thing is the Ostashred has a 8 week cycle in the bottle, so I would definitely recommend running for the full 8 weeks unless sides come up... Osta doesn't show really until 4 weeks I think.
 
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I would definitely recommend ostashred! We have some logs up right now for it in the supplement log section if you want to take a look. Also check out the link above at strong supplement shop.
 
You def need an ai for pct if you run the havoc. Both cycles could benefit from some cort control in pct as well as cortisol spikes when your hormones are out of whack. Reduce xt is pretty much the standard go to for this.

I'm currently running ostashred as well but only a couple weeks in so can't say a ton yet.

Havoc will do much more but will have a lot more sides/tougher pct.
 
Threlpappy said:
Reduce xt by sns?
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yes sir. There really aren't many other cort inhibitors so this is by far the best.

Ds used to make lean xtreme but it's more of a burner and I believe discontinued as well. Plus ds is a bit shady after the whole meth/craze incident ha
 
Run halo. Sides less harsh. Gainz are better. Plus your dose for epi is way to low. Low or mid dose halo is a much better option for a first cycle and its real easy to keep gains.
I personally would do... Halo 50/75/75/100/100/125/125
Torem 80/80/60/60
 
If your gonna run it run it at 80mgs.
BUT RUN HALO trust me its a fantastic first cycle. It'll give you that nice alpha male feeling and a really nlticable affect.
Epi will give you dry joints and a sore stomach
 
I would say go with the osta for a 1st cycle.

If you do go with havoc youll want to run at 5-6 weeks. Youll just start seeing results at 4 weeks.
 
Planning my diet for the next 8-12 weeks,.. I was planning on intermittent fasting and I normaly work out in the morning before a first meal, which ends up being around 11, good prots, little carb back load ext..

My question is for those of you who have used an epi like havoc,.. How does it do on an empty stomach?
 
Lol should be ok on an empty stomach. Read somewhere that taking PHs with fats can help absorption, but that might have just been non methylated ones. Still, I always dose with a couple fish oils, no puking so far!

Some hormones can affect blood sugar though. If you start feeling crappy the first few days make sure you have a granola bar or snack to break your fast if needed.
 
mus said:
Lol yeah they were
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well that explains it ha.

Op a couple fish oil caps should be plenty even if you do have some minor stomach issues. Haven't seen many that have had problems tho so take it however fits your schedule.
 
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