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Gettin' Hard! with PP's Androhard and 1-T LV Log

I USED THE TURINABOL STACK WITH DERMACRINE AND KEPT 15LBS AFTER PCT. I HAVE NOT TRIED THE ANDROHARD. IF YOU USE TLV STACK AND DERM. MAKE SURE YOU BUY SOMETHING FOR BACK PUMPS, JOINTS, AND BLOOD PRESSURE. TURINABOL REALY DRIES YOU OUT. YOUR JOINTS WILL CRACK AND POP WHICH DID NOT HURT BUT SINCE YOU ARE A DANCER YOU MAY WANT TO KEEP THIS IN MIND. IF YOU WANT TO GAIN LBS YOU MUST EAT. IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO RECOMP DO A SEARCH THERE ARE ALOT OF GUYS ON THIS BOARD WITH ALOT OF GOOD INFO.
 
curls said:
I USED THE TURINABOL STACK WITH DERMACRINE AND KEPT 15LBS AFTER PCT. I HAVE NOT TRIED THE ANDROHARD. IF YOU USE TLV STACK AND DERM. MAKE SURE YOU BUY SOMETHING FOR BACK PUMPS, JOINTS, AND BLOOD PRESSURE. TURINABOL REALY DRIES YOU OUT. YOUR JOINTS WILL CRACK AND POP WHICH DID NOT HURT BUT SINCE YOU ARE A DANCER YOU MAY WANT TO KEEP THIS IN MIND. IF YOU WANT TO GAIN LBS YOU MUST EAT. IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO RECOMP DO A SEARCH THERE ARE ALOT OF GUYS ON THIS BOARD WITH ALOT OF GOOD INFO.
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Just messin man.
 
HATEFULone said:
I guess it all depends on your gut feeling, nothing is wrong by any means, I personally would stack the androhard with it, and save the dermacrine for later use, even solo. I love dermcrine solo, it works fast and has relatively low sides and easy recovery for pct, good luck either way.
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curls said:
I USED THE TURINABOL STACK WITH DERMACRINE AND KEPT 15LBS AFTER PCT. I HAVE NOT TRIED THE ANDROHARD. IF YOU USE TLV STACK AND DERM. MAKE SURE YOU BUY SOMETHING FOR BACK PUMPS, JOINTS, AND BLOOD PRESSURE. TURINABOL REALY DRIES YOU OUT. YOUR JOINTS WILL CRACK AND POP WHICH DID NOT HURT BUT SINCE YOU ARE A DANCER YOU MAY WANT TO KEEP THIS IN MIND. IF YOU WANT TO GAIN LBS YOU MUST EAT. IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO RECOMP DO A SEARCH THERE ARE ALOT OF GUYS ON THIS BOARD WITH ALOT OF GOOD INFO.
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Thanks for the feedback guys!

Androhard dried my joints out, so that is why I am leaning toward the Dermacrine to stack with Turinabol. And I've heard the gains are bigger with the Derm vs the AH. I'm am thinking 6 week Turin with 4 weeks Derm, & 2 weeks AH.

Yes as a dancer I have to always watch my joints for pain as it happens to me all the time. :sad3:
 
HereToStudy said:
I would make this the biggest factor you use towards your decision. Your career and lifestyle requires you to be active and heavy on your joints, busting them up won't do you any good.

I like that cycle plan, btw.
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Yeah I'm constantly trying to keep them healthy, it's like an uphill battle in my hips, knees, and ankles.

And if you like my cycle plan, then I think it's a for sure thing then.
 
you done with your cycle right?
hows PCT?
 
rochabp said:
you done with your cycle right?
hows PCT?
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Yeah the last day was last Friday. PCT is going well, I still feel strong. I dosed Torem 60mg sat and sun, then started 40mg yesterday for a 40/30/20 run alongside the TRS+TCF-1.

Will post last nights workout when I get home from work, doing it on my phone is a pain in the arse.
 
funkd0c said:
Yeah the last day was last Friday. PCT is going well, I still feel strong. I dosed Torem 60mg sat and sun, then started 40mg yesterday for a 40/30/20 run alongside the TRS+TCF-1.

Will post last nights workout when I get home from work, doing it on my phone is a pain in the arse.
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i hate typing on a phone thats touchscreen cuz my fingers are too big
 
:haha:

What the hell happened to my thread while I was gone?? Btw, Huskies are my favorite breed so I am honored to have a picture of one in my thread(no matter how weird the picture).

Workout: (Last night) Back/bi's

Lat pulldown-(went up a plate) RP 9x4x3=16
Single arm DB rows-75lbs RP 10x5x4=19 PR
Standing BB curls-70lbs RP 10x4x2=16
Did Some Assisted Negatives on the BB curls to finish out.

Ok, so I need a new back thickness exercise because 75lbs are the biggest DBs at my gym. Lame I know, but I would like ppl's suggestions none the less. But, I don't like bent over BB rows. They're so uncomfortable for me. I'm sure that I'm not doing them correctly so I dropped them long ago. I am open to cable exercises, but prefer free weights.
 
YEAH YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF JERKS FOR HARASSING FUNK'S THREAD
dont worry about funk i got you back :fing02:
 
funkd0c said:
Ok, so I need a new back thickness exercise because 75lbs are the biggest DBs at my gym. Lame I know, but I would like ppl's suggestions none the less. But, I don't like bent over BB rows. They're so uncomfortable for me. I'm sure that I'm not doing them correctly so I dropped them long ago. I am open to cable exercises, but prefer free weights.
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If you have the right benches, you can do the Invalid Link Removed.

Actually, since I went to exrx to link you to that, you mine as well just check out their back section, and see what works for you:

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I do love Bent Over BB Rows though...
 
HereToStudy said:
If you have the right benches, you can do the Invalid Link Removed.

Actually, since I went to exrx to link you to that, you mine as well just check out their back section, and see what works for you:

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I do love Bent Over BB Rows though...
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Thanks for the link and info! looks good. I wish we had those types of benches and barbells at my gym. That would be my favorite rowing exercise.
 
Last night was Chest/shoulders/tri's. I switched the shoulder exercise to military press and forgot how hard it is. My chest never seems to improve quickly, but my tri's are still moving up.

Workout:

incline DB bench- 65lbs RP 15x5x3=23 PR (Only up one rep from last week)
Military press-105lbs RP 7x3x3=13
Close grip bench- 150lbs RP 8x4x3=15 PR

Didn't do any drop sets last night, just some extreme stretching and out. It was much later than I usually go. So I was ready to come home.

Btw, this weekend is a show weekend for me so last night was the last time for weights until Monday of next week. Dosing is going well for PCT and Libido is up. Don't know if I should attribute that to the Torem or the Sustain Alpha???
 
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DC, gotta love it. Good luck with pct, keep us updated on your gains and how much you are keeping. Also how is your libido? Patiently awaiting my androhard should be here any day now.
 
funkd0c said:
I was planning on NOT using it, because the compounds did not produce a profound effect on me. But, I am open to suggestions. I am sure that I am somewhat shutdown and would like to recover as fast as possible. Will a LOW dose of toremifene speed that recovery? Would it be worthwhile to use it? Or would it not make much of a difference? 40mg/day is a low dose correct?

I would appreciate all opinions on this.
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I would Rec for help with pct and to recover as fast as possible:
sustain alphaLV
T-911
Toco-8
TCF-1

this stacked would help you out man.

maybe keep the t-911 on hand incase a sexual issue arises.
I like having t-911 for the hell of it here and there with gf lol.
 
HATEFULone said:
DC, gotta love it. Good luck with pct, keep us updated on your gains and how much you are keeping. Also how is your libido? Patiently awaiting my androhard should be here any day now.
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Well PCT is going well and libido is up a little. The Torem sure seems to be working, but it seems to make me weepy. Is this normal?
And I actually had to Stay out of the gym since last Wednesday because of a show, but went back in yesterday for a full upperbody hypertrophy workout. I didn't do the DC style so I don't know exactly where I am strength wise. During the first week there wasn't a drop in strength, but not a significant raise in strength either(only a few lifts went up). I will go back to the DC tomorrow with back/bi's.

RAHHH said:
I would Rec for help with pct and to recover as fast as possible:
sustain alphaLV
T-911
Toco-8
TCF-1

this stacked would help you out man.

maybe keep the t-911 on hand incase a sexual issue arises.
I like having t-911 for the hell of it here and there with gf lol.
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Thanks for the advice, but I've been in PCT for a week and a half already and my choice for PCT has already been made. I'm using the Torem at a very low dose with the TRS+TCF-1.
 
funkd0c said:
Well PCT is going well and libido is up a little. The Torem sure seems to be working, but it seems to make me weepy. Is this normal?
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Yeah its normal. The SERM binds to the estrogen receptor, blocking estrogen from binding. By binding to the receptor the SERM inhibits estrogenic effects in alot of ways but in other ways you feel the effects of the activated estrogen receptor. So essentially, Torem prevents boobs, water retention, etc. but in terms of mood you are going to feel like a woman on her period. Its an interesting experience. On clomid I had the same experience, movies and commercials used to make me tear up, its funny in a sense but its all hormonal/chemical.
 
CrazyChemist said:
Yeah its normal. The SERM binds to the estrogen receptor, blocking estrogen from binding. By binding to the receptor the SERM inhibits estrogenic effects in alot of ways but in other ways you feel the effects of the activated estrogen receptor. So essentially, Torem prevents boobs, water retention, etc. but in terms of mood you are going to feel like a woman on her period. Its an interesting experience. On clomid I had the same experience, movies and commercials used to make me tear up, its funny in a sense but its all hormonal/chemical.
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In a word, it's awful :( Schoolboy error, but I've run out of Invalid Link Removed for my normal Invalid Link Removed-based PCT (that'll teach me to be more prepared...), so it's low-dose Nolvadex after my Invalid Link Removed and Invalid Link Removed cycle.

Glad PCT's going ok for you mate, keep it up and don't watch any chick flicks ;)
 
UKStrength said:
In a word, it's awful :( Schoolboy error, but I've run out of Invalid Link Removed for my normal Invalid Link Removed-based PCT (that'll teach me to be more prepared...), so it's low-dose Nolvadex after my Invalid Link Removed and Invalid Link Removed cycle.

Glad PCT's going ok for you mate, keep it up and don't watch any chick flicks ;)
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Nolva usually doesnt have as much of a mood-effect. I've never used torem because clomid has always worked for me and why fix it if it aint broken? But clomid, boy, i never understood a hormonal woman till i took clomid. I have a new respect for my wife when she crys during "that time" or says things like "its not what you said its how you said it"
 
Exactly why I wish I never had to come off of my cycles, the pct and downtime has some strange mental effects, looking forward to using tcf-1 in my next pct to see if I can keep the alpha male mentality and not be a girly man crying at every little thing.
 
CrazyChemist said:
Nolva usually doesnt have as much of a mood-effect. I've never used torem because clomid has always worked for me and why fix it if it aint broken? But clomid, boy, i never understood a hormonal woman till i took clomid. I have a new respect for my wife when she crys during "that time" or says things like "its not what you said its how you said it"
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My experience agrees with yours regarding nolva and torem. I haven't taken clomid, so I can't comment. But I think clomid's emotional sides are pretty well know. Not as much of this type of feedback has been posted regarding torem (that I have seen), but it definitely seems more like clomid than nolva in terms of emotional sides (but a speedier HPTA recovery like clomid and less toxic than nolva or clomid). Anyway, I didn't have any weepy feelings whatsoever on Nolva, but on 60, 90, or 120mg of torem, look out!

It wasn't that bad, but a few days, I definitely had a weepy moment or two, and it was obvious enough to tell that it was due to the torem.

As for TCF-1 keeping you alpha male during PCT to offset SERM weepy woman sides, my limited experience suggests...maybe, maybe not. BTW, I love TCF-1, but SERMs are strong drugs and can have some very noticeable sides (clomid and torem get the nods for "emoting"). I guess part of it depends on how suppressive your cycle was, and also what dose/duration of toremifene you are using. I just finished up an absurdity of a cycle (300mg/day of TREN:grumpy:, stacked with other stuff), so HPTA recovery has been "lengthy" this time. Normally, my balls drop in a week on torem. This time it took 3-4 weeks. And I ran TCF-1 for a full 24 days without a break along with the TRS and Torem 120x3, 90x4, 60x14, 30x7. But then again, I used TCF-1 for 12 days the cycle before last (much less suppressive cycle), and I did get the alpha male attitude after a week or so. But I also ran low dose torem (half of the above) along with the TRS for that PCT (and had no emotional sides from the torem IIRC), so I digress...

EDIT: LOL-4 weeks of TREN at 300mg/day followed by 4 weeks of torem-I guess I've probably been on the rag for 8 weeks straight!
 
i used nolva for pct all the time and it makes my sperm loads so watery its not funny its like im busting out water its actually kinda awesome
 
So Workouts have been nice because I haven't had much work this week, but on Sunday I leave for a tour in the south of the state and will be there for 2 weeks. I hope the hotel has at least some sort of gym area!

I continued with another hypertrophy routine on Wed. and went back to DC today. Back/bi's were today and I didn't notice a decrease in strength but there was not much of an increase in strength, but I have been switching up exercises. So, I also switched to 20mg of torem yesterday so that i can finish my SERM use before I go on tour. I feel really good and it's been 2 weeks in PCT with Torem. I am confident with just the TRS from here out.

Thanks for all the support guys and for following along!
 
HereToStudy said:
Good luck with the tour bro.
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Thanks bro, much appreciated.. Arrived yesterday evening, but the hotel's fitness room is being remodeled and their Internet is down. Good thing my phone is internet capable. How lame! I'm going to find a gym in this small town asap.
 
Looking good bro, glad to hear the torem gave you the boost and now to finish up strong with the trs. In small towns I noticed you can either go to the local college or highschool and use their gym, as long as you aren't a registered sex offender, in that case just get a fake id and you'll be all good.
 
HATEFULone said:
Looking good bro, glad to hear the torem gave you the boost and now to finish up strong with the trs. In small towns I noticed you can either go to the local college or highschool and use their gym, as long as you aren't a registered sex offender, in that case just get a fake id and you'll be all good.
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:lol: it looks as though there is a gym directly across the street from the rehearsal space we are using. So tomorrow I should be able to go.
 
HATEFULone said:
Exactly why I wish I never had to come off of my cycles, the pct and downtime has some strange mental effects, looking forward to using tcf-1 in my next pct to see if I can keep the alpha male mentality and not be a girly man crying at every little thing.
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dumbhick3 said:
My experience agrees with yours regarding nolva and torem. I haven't taken clomid, so I can't comment. But I think clomid's emotional sides are pretty well know. Not as much of this type of feedback has been posted regarding torem (that I have seen), but it definitely seems more like clomid than nolva in terms of emotional sides (but a speedier HPTA recovery like clomid and less toxic than nolva or clomid). Anyway, I didn't have any weepy feelings whatsoever on Nolva, but on 60, 90, or 120mg of torem, look out!

It wasn't that bad, but a few days, I definitely had a weepy moment or two, and it was obvious enough to tell that it was due to the torem.

As for TCF-1 keeping you alpha male during PCT to offset SERM weepy woman sides, my limited experience suggests...maybe, maybe not. BTW, I love TCF-1, but SERMs are strong drugs and can have some very noticeable sides (clomid and torem get the nods for "emoting"). I guess part of it depends on how suppressive your cycle was, and also what dose/duration of toremifene you are using. I just finished up an absurdity of a cycle (300mg/day of TREN:grumpy:, stacked with other stuff), so HPTA recovery has been "lengthy" this time. Normally, my balls drop in a week on torem. This time it took 3-4 weeks. And I ran TCF-1 for a full 24 days without a break along with the TRS and Torem 120x3, 90x4, 60x14, 30x7. But then again, I used TCF-1 for 12 days the cycle before last (much less suppressive cycle), and I did get the alpha male attitude after a week or so. But I also ran low dose torem (half of the above) along with the TRS for that PCT (and had no emotional sides from the torem IIRC), so I digress...

EDIT: LOL-4 weeks of TREN at 300mg/day followed by 4 weeks of torem-I guess I've probably been on the rag for 8 weeks straight!
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It did kind of suck in the moment but at the same time I kind of liked going thru the whole thing to realize how much hormones played a role in emotions.

A natural T-booster or TCF-1 would not counter-act the emotion sides IMO. You gotta just deal for a few days/2 weeks. Then it should subside. I've thought about going on HRT and doing a boost-and-cruise method but I'm too young to start that stuff.
 
So, I am back home for the weekend and will be going back to BFE tonight. But, a quick update first.

So I have been able to continue lifting DC for the past week and have switched up all my exercises. Strength is rising, but only on certain muscle groups(i.e. Tri's & Bi's). Chest, Back, and shoulders are barely budging in the strength area. But I seem to be leaning out a little even though calories are in surplus. I may have to contribute this to the Endoamp Max. I really love this stuff. About 10min after I dose it, I tend to feel more relaxed and not as physically stressed out. Thought this might be placebo effect, but it has continued to have this effect on me for the past 3 weeks.. The sustain is quite nice, I can feel the effects more now that I have stopped SERM use. I am happy that my strength has stayed during PCT and only 1 week left of it! Then I will start the last 12 days of my TCF-1 just to extend the test boosting effects a little longer than 4 weeks. My weight is staying steady at 163-164 since starting PCT. So, I feel confident that I will retain the LBM that I gained during cycle.

I will continue to lift until thurs of this week because of a performance on saturday. I always save my energy for about 3 days before performing.

Thanks to all that are following.
 
funkd0c said:
So, I am back home for the weekend and will be going back to BFE tonight. But, a quick update first.

So I have been able to continue lifting DC for the past week and have switched up all my exercises. Strength is rising, but only on certain muscle groups(i.e. Tri's & Bi's). Chest, Back, and shoulders are barely budging in the strength area. But I seem to be leaning out a little even though calories are in surplus. I may have to contribute this to the Endoamp Max. I really love this stuff. About 10min after I dose it, I tend to feel more relaxed and not as physically stressed out. Thought this might be placebo effect, but it has continued to have this effect on me for the past 3 weeks.. The sustain is quite nice, I can feel the effects more now that I have stopped SERM use. I am happy that my strength has stayed during PCT and only 1 week left of it! Then I will start the last 12 days of my TCF-1 just to extend the test boosting effects a little longer than 4 weeks. My weight is staying steady at 163-164 since starting PCT. So, I feel confident that I will retain the LBM that I gained during cycle.

I will continue to lift until thurs of this week because of a performance on saturday. I always save my energy for about 3 days before performing.

Thanks to all that are following.
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nice to see its going smooth for your pct
 
Log is looking good bro, I used to play bass in a rock band and did legs the morning of a show once, I had to sit on a stool like a tool cuz my legs were killing me.
 
Ok so i'm back from BFE Alabama and have finished my PCT, with no drop in weight :D almost a steady 165 now. So I am pleased with the PCT protocol that I chose. The TCF-1 and Sustain were wonderful. They will be in all my PCT's in the future.

Strength is still going up slowly, but I also have switched to a moderate volume hypertrophy routine. I am currently planning my next cycle in which Turinabol LV will be the basis of, but still deciding on how many goodies to add. Will start this cycle the end of Sept. beginning of Oct.

Thanks for following along everyone! It was a very big learning experience for me.
 
funkd0c said:
Ok so i'm back from BFE Alabama and have finished my PCT, with no drop in weight :D almost a steady 165 now. So I am pleased with the PCT protocol that I chose. The TCF-1 and Sustain were wonderful. They will be in all my PCT's in the future.

Strength is still going up slowly, but I also have switched to a moderate volume hypertrophy routine. I am currently planning my next cycle in which Turinabol LV will be the basis of, but still deciding on how many goodies to add. Will start this cycle the end of Sept. beginning of Oct.

Thanks for following along everyone! It was a very big learning experience for me.
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Glad everything went good, and yea Sustain + TCF-1 is good stuff :D

Oh and I am on Turinabol-LV/Androhard as of yesterday.
 
what would a Superdone/androhard bridge cycle look like??? And has anyone ever done this and would this be recommended??
 
wolfe14 said:
that is what i thought, but then i have ppl telling me to bridge them to solidify the gains from the SD since SD is so rapid and powerfull..If i were to stack then what would the protocol look like??
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Do your SD as you planned, this is highly user dependent. Some will do 10/10/10/10, some will do 10/20/30/30/ others do 20/20/20/20, it all depends on your experience with PHs.

The androhard do 3mL 2x a day for the whole cycle.

The androhard wouldn't be enough to bridge a SD cycle in my opinion. Test, Epi, etc... fit that bill alittle better. The Androhard will provide a leaning and hardening effect...
 
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