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Gaining muscle and losing fat

theslime

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This will sound stupid...IS it possible to gain muscle and lose fat during the same period? I know that you technically need a calorie deficit to lose fat and a caloric surplus to gain muscle but what about people using AAS? I know that hgh studies reported that it was possible.
 
One word, profina.

That is the only thing I have ever ran and worked to do that.
 
One can do it but it is not easy. Diet and correct training is the key. However, neither the muscle gain or the fat loss will be quick.

Simple math will tell you that if you increase in LBM and do not add any fat then your %BF will decrease, a simple ratio.
 
size said:
One can do it but it is not easy. Diet and correct training is the key. However, neither the muscle gain or the fat loss will be quick.

Simple math will tell you that if you increase in LBM and do not add any fat then your %BF will decrease, a simple ratio.
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I was wondering if it was actually possible to reduce bodyfat, not bodyfat %.
 
size said:
One can do it but it is not easy. Diet and correct training is the key. However, neither the muscle gain or the fat loss will be quick.

Simple math will tell you that if you increase in LBM and do not add any fat then your %BF will decrease, a simple ratio.
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When you say correct training is the key, are you referring to
cardio?
 
On day 18 now of my prop only cycle. Started at maintenance cals for first week and a half. Have lost almost an inch on my waistline while weight staying the same, albeit having the normal fluctuations. Diet however is very clean and strict and have my own formula for a weekly carb cycling protocol...

My strength is increasing all the while arm and chest measurments are increasing steadily...I can really notice myself leaning out just from looking in the mirror. That combined with weekly caliper readings and monitorings show that I have went down 2%'s in BF while my weight is the same, as stated above...

So IMO, if its' your first cycle, have your diet mapped out and to a "T", as well as your training, yes it can happen. However, the reality of it happening all the time and w/o proper diet evaluation, etc, don't count on it...genetics have a lot to do with it as well...
 
It is called recomposition and it is possible with or without the use of PH/PS. I have done it. However, as Size pointed out, It is a slow subtle process and you do have to have diet and training in order if you want to achive it. Three years ago I was a skinny fat 165 @ 15% to 17% Body fat. I initially dropped down to 7.5% bodyfat while adding 70lbs to my squat. Currently, I'm around 5% at 155 so even though I am lighter, I carry much more muscle so I look more muscular. Obviously this can happen a lot faster with the right drugs though.
 
i've tried this and it never works out well for me......if i plan to do this, i usually seperate my cycles into two portions, weeks 1-6 bulking and weeks 7-12 cutting or something similar. Seems to work out much better for me than trying to do both at the same time. You may be different.
 
JonBlaze639 said:
i've tried this and it never works out well for me......if i plan to do this, i usually seperate my cycles into two portions, weeks 1-6 bulking and weeks 7-12 cutting or something similar. Seems to work out much better for me than trying to do both at the same time. You may be different.
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Yup, Everybody's diferent and that is part of the game we play. We all need to find out what works best for us, but the fundamental rules are the same. ;)

There are many paths to the center of the circle, but the destination(or goal) is always the same. :cool:
 
I have done this several times now, but it seems much easier to do at a higher bf% than a lower IMO....something to think about :)
 
jweave23 said:
I have done this several times now, but it seems much easier to do at a higher bf% than a lower IMO....something to think about :)
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Well, I let myself go the past few months because I had multiple injuries and couldn't train very hard so I'm pretty fat. I'm at 22% BF (I know that's real high), 5'10 and 210 lbs. I'll see how my body reacts to the gh I started two weeks ago (5 i.u.'S a day). If I don'T see acceptable improvements within two months, I guess I'll have to cut calories even more (I'm at 3000 cal/day right now). I have prop on hand but will wait a bit, my injuries are still bothering me and I don't want to make things worse. Does that make sense?
 
theslime said:
Well, I let myself go the past few months because I had multiple injuries and couldn't train very hard so I'm pretty fat. I'm at 22% BF (I know that's real high), 5'10 and 210 lbs. I'll see how my body reacts to the gh I started two weeks ago (5 i.u.'S a day). If I don'T see acceptable improvements within two months, I guess I'll have to cut calories even more (I'm at 3000 cal/day right now). I have prop on hand but will wait a bit, my injuries are still bothering me and I don't want to make things worse. Does that make sense?
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i think you should work on diet and seriously focus on losing fat and not worry about building muscle for a while, JMO
 
JonBlaze639 said:
i think you should work on diet and seriously focus on losing fat and not worry about building muscle for a while, JMO
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You're probably right. I'm not a bodybuilder though, strength is my main concern. So I don't want to go down too much or else I find that my strength goes dow the drain. Ideally, I would like to stay around 15 %. I'm still far from it, I know :( .
 
JonBlaze639 said:
i think you should work on diet and seriously focus on losing fat and not worry about building muscle for a while, JMO
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Agreed. However, if you want to use the prop, just use it to preserve muscle while you diet. And definitly get nutrition and training in order to maximize fat burning. Do you do any cardio?
 
Lean One said:
Agreed. However, if you want to use the prop, just use it to preserve muscle while you diet. And definitly get nutrition and training in order to maximize fat burning. Do you do any cardio?
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I read that test is detrimental to joints, so I'll probably wait to use it since I still feel pain from old injuries.I'm hoping the gh will help in preserving the muscle. As for cardio, I'm not doing any as of now. I think I'll wait a few weeks to see how it goes. If progress is not going as planned, Ill add cardio. I don't want to lose weight too fast (not more than 2-3 lbs a weeks), Last year, I lost 30 lbs in 6 weeks on a 2500 cal diet. I'll try to go slower this year, I'M afraid my strength will go down as well...
 
It sounds like you are wanting to take the easy way out by taking GH instead of getting diet in check and doing some cardio. Muscle has memory so it will come back fast especially with the help of the Prop. If your at 22% you wont notice if your losing muscle as much as you will notice your muscle starting to look better. Get the bf down first then build the muscle back up.
 
theslime said:
I read that test is detrimental to joints, so I'll probably wait to use it since I still feel pain from old injuries.I'm hoping the gh will help in preserving the muscle. As for cardio, I'm not doing any as of now. I think I'll wait a few weeks to see how it goes. If progress is not going as planned, Ill add cardio. I don't want to lose weight too fast (not more than 2-3 lbs a weeks), Last year, I lost 30 lbs in 6 weeks on a 2500 cal diet. I'll try to go slower this year, I'M afraid my strength will go down as well...
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Ruffneck is right. You need to work on NUTRITION and training(weights AND cardio.) If you lost 30 pounds on a hypocaloric diet with no cardio, then you can bet your strength(pun intended) that half of it was muscle. :rolleyes:

There are no easy ways to do what you want to do. If you look for a shortcut, your results will be less than satisfactory. Not to mention temporary. Diddnt mean to lecture, I'm just trying to be as realistic and honest as possible here. ;)
 
It is possible in the initial stages of cutting cycles as the androgens kick in but if your going for extreme low bf% and the cycle resembles a 16 week precontest, it won't happen. You eventually lose a little bit.
 
I know it sounds wired but it is possible to lose weight and gain muscles. I will focus on how women can do this. Yes it is a tricky proposition since it may require that you eat enough to help you put on muscles and avoid eating too much calories lest you end up increasing your weight. So you should always choose what you eat. You must ensure that the muscles are well fed and at the same time tap into the fat stores. So how can this be done? It is advisable that you perform both resistant training and high intensity cardio. Here are some tricks you can rely on.
Eat more protein. You should not fear eating more protein
1. Bump Up Your Protein Consumption. For every pound of weight you carry, eat 2 grams of protein. You may also need to have the protein spread evenly in the day. This way, it tells the body not to breakout muscles. Your weight should help you determine the amount of protein to eat. If you are 150 pounds, you need 300 grams per day.
2. Subject the muscles to some training. Integrate compound movements such as deadlifts, squats, rows and presses. They will allow you to lift most weights and will stimulate muscle mass. The moves will allow you to lift most weight. Incorporate high rep training and incorporate heavy and resistant training.
3. Cut your Carbs.
Of course everyone knows that cutting carbs is mandatory. But in this program, you don’t cut them completely. Instead, we plan to optimize the carbs. You should consume them two hours before your workout. This way, you utilise the carbs during the workout. Eating 1.5 carbs per pound of weight could help you.
Health fats- You don’t need to slash your fats instead eat heathy fats which are ideal in helping maintain beautiful skin and nails. They help maintain optimal cell structure and hormone levels which are critical in supporting the muscles and keeping you full.
 
Glow said:
I know it sounds wired but it is possible to lose weight and gain muscles. I will focus on how women can do this. Yes it is a tricky proposition since it may require that you eat enough to help you put on muscles and avoid eating too much calories lest you end up increasing your weight. So you should always choose what you eat. You must ensure that the muscles are well fed and at the same time tap into the fat stores. So how can this be done? It is advisable that you perform both resistant training and high intensity cardio. Here are some tricks you can rely on.
Eat more protein. You should not fear eating more protein
1. Bump Up Your Protein Consumption. For every pound of weight you carry, eat 2 grams of protein. You may also need to have the protein spread evenly in the day. This way, it tells the body not to breakout muscles. Your weight should help you determine the amount of protein to eat. If you are 150 pounds, you need 300 grams per day.
2. Subject the muscles to some training. Integrate compound movements such as deadlifts, squats, rows and presses. They will allow you to lift most weights and will stimulate muscle mass. The moves will allow you to lift most weight. Incorporate high rep training and incorporate heavy and resistant training.
3. Cut your Carbs.
Of course everyone knows that cutting carbs is mandatory. But in this program, you don’t cut them completely. Instead, we plan to optimize the carbs. You should consume them two hours before your workout. This way, you utilise the carbs during the workout. Eating 1.5 carbs per pound of weight could help you.
Health fats- You don’t need to slash your fats instead eat heathy fats which are ideal in helping maintain beautiful skin and nails. They help maintain optimal cell structure and hormone levels which are critical in supporting the muscles and keeping you full.
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You bumped a 15 year old thread to offer this generic pile of garbage? Strong posting as ever
 
Glow said:
I know it sounds wired but it is possible to lose weight and gain muscles. I will focus on how women can do this. Yes it is a tricky proposition since it may require that you eat enough to help you put on muscles and avoid eating too much calories lest you end up increasing your weight. So you should always choose what you eat. You must ensure that the muscles are well fed and at the same time tap into the fat stores. So how can this be done? It is advisable that you perform both resistant training and high intensity cardio. Here are some tricks you can rely on.
Eat more protein. You should not fear eating more protein
1. Bump Up Your Protein Consumption. For every pound of weight you carry, eat 2 grams of protein. You may also need to have the protein spread evenly in the day. This way, it tells the body not to breakout muscles. Your weight should help you determine the amount of protein to eat. If you are 150 pounds, you need 300 grams per day.
2. Subject the muscles to some training. Integrate compound movements such as deadlifts, squats, rows and presses. They will allow you to lift most weights and will stimulate muscle mass. The moves will allow you to lift most weight. Incorporate high rep training and incorporate heavy and resistant training.
3. Cut your Carbs.
Of course everyone knows that cutting carbs is mandatory. But in this program, you don’t cut them completely. Instead, we plan to optimize the carbs. You should consume them two hours before your workout. This way, you utilise the carbs during the workout. Eating 1.5 carbs per pound of weight could help you.
Health fats- You don’t need to slash your fats instead eat heathy fats which are ideal in helping maintain beautiful skin and nails. They help maintain optimal cell structure and hormone levels which are critical in supporting the muscles and keeping you full.
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No you can’t do this without steroids or if you Aren’t a beginner to weight lifting. Stop spreading misinformation
 
BlockBuilder said:
No you can’t do this without steroids or if you Aren’t a beginner to weight lifting. Stop spreading misinformation
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This joker does it on loads of threads - he suggested someone take 5g of a sarm per day on another one ffs (maybe not be the exact amount he said as I can’t be bothered to look back but it was an utterly ridiculous amount).
 
Back in 2006 i was training doing the basics 3 x 10, 4-5 days a week training muscle groups every other day. Wasnt really having breakfast either most days and diet consisted of mainly rice/chicken/red meat/carbs. Supplements were Maxi Muscles Cyclone Protein and M1-T 10mg along with a least 5-6 pints of water a day.

I lost shed loads of fat and put on muscle. Of course it can be done.
 
Doing it as we speak. Tren is perfect for this. I cut carbs down some and added 45min to 1 hour of cardio ed. Trying to burn only fat...my cut has been slow though.last summer i was a 360 pound straight powerlifter. Currently right at 300 and I have kept strength. Dont get me wrong, i know i could cut cals and run my ass off and be ripped. However, doing so would cost me all this muscle that i worked very hard to put on. Long answer to the question...but yep it can be done.
 
JBlaze said:
i've tried this and it never works out well for me......if i plan to do this, i usually seperate my cycles into two portions, weeks 1-6 bulking and weeks 7-12 cutting or something similar. Seems to work out much better for me than trying to do both at the same time. You may be different.
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Any guy that I talked to who competed as a bodybuilder.. we’re talking big dudes here like 240ish and one guy in particular who is an older school guy said you cannot do both at the same time unless you are some crazy genetically gifted black guy on a **** ton of gear. Otherwise you have to get really big and stop worrying about the mirror and then come down slowly once you held the weight for say 6 months to a year. Other wise you will be wasting your time trying to do both
 
bradleyt1 said:
Any guy that I talked to who competed as a bodybuilder.. we’re talking big dudes here like 240ish and one guy in particular who is an older school guy said you cannot do both at the same time unless you are some crazy genetically gifted black guy on a **** ton of gear. Otherwise you have to get really big and stop worrying about the mirror and then come down slowly once you held the weight for say 6 months to a year. Other wise you will be wasting your time trying to do both
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Darn, only black guys can do it? That sucks.
 
It can be done. This article lays out how to pretty well.

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YoungThor said:
Darn, only black guys can do it? That sucks.
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It’s just not optimal to try and do both. Otherwise bodybuilders would stay ripped year round and we all know they are far from that. I’m just telling you what a guy told me who actually looked the part was massive and freaky looking.
 
It can be done but will require tren or trest and test ..but dont take tren at that high a body fat precent . Cut hard first let the muscle go if you have to lose some get down around 15 percent body fat then tren will get you what you lost back.
Note: I am not a doctor this is really bad advice dont do drugs.
 
BEAST73 said:
It can be done,Gear or Natty.
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It can be done to a point... Like anything else the body has a threshold. The same can be said for running gear. Its easier to do with gear BUT everything has it's point where the body isnt capable of doing more. Genetic limit.

And people's genetics and body type (endomorph, mesomorph, ectomorph) do play a role in how efficiently the body can do it.
 
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