Formeron Version 2 Log With Bloodwork

thescience

thescience

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I've got three bottles of Formeron 2 arriving today and an additional one on route some time within the next few days. I'm going to delay using it until an initial bloodraw on 12.12.24. Im going to be aiming for another draw around day 30. depending on how things go, the cycle may last anywhere from 30 days to well beyond that. Im open to suggestions on what to test for, with the only limitation being an excessive amount of blood lost from too many at once.

so far, definately testing for estradiol, total test, free test, shbg, prolactin, LH. I might test for igf/GH as it may shed light on whether a test boost is from serm activity. Im leaning toward not testing for dhea at the moment simply because i have naturally low levels, as in like a 4 on a 3-30 point scale or something. I can produce that test if someone feels its beneficial, but basically I already take DHEA as a stimulant that has noticible and lasting benefits. i know if i miss a day on it. im sure my dhea levels will be through the roof on it based on when i dose in the morning and when i will get the blood draw. dhea is alot better with letrone. this upcoming draw will be testing results for a theory on the value of dhea as a substrate when combined with something that reduces estrogen, i can delve more into that if anyone is interested
 
WickedWarlock said:
Following. I got one bottle because I always do that for td’s in case of a reaction.
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yeah plus the formula could adapt pending responces. Ive got 3 bottles of letrone on hand to create my own balence as needed. Im confident adding transdermal dhea will counteract if things go too far in the other direction
 
I got pre-Formeron bloodwork today for:
Total test
Free test
LH
Estradiol
Prolactin
SHBG
HGH
IGF
DHEA

this is also post bloodwork for a wide array of test boosting products i started after an initial draw 2 months ago. let me know if anyone is interested on that lineup and the previous draw.

1st dose of Formeron was immediately after the draw.
 
36 grams additional protein powder/day is added. I guess ill commit to eating the extra 300-500 calories of cashews/honey roasted peanuts, which normally would just make me fat. guranteed. i get hungrier, i may eat more of them. if i start getting really fat, ill probably change my strategy
 
thescience said:
36 grams additional protein powder/day is added. I guess ill commit to eating the extra 300-500 calories of cashews/honey roasted peanuts, which normally would just make me fat. guranteed. i get hungrier, i may eat more of them. if i start getting really fat, ill probably change my strategy
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Following along! Man cashews and peanuts I have to keep out of the house they are so good.
 
Julianbee said:
Are you still taking DHEA? Or just the DHEA in formeron?
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dhea was discontinued the day before formeron use.my experiments with dhea have yielded strange results in the past, so i is probably safe to say my reaction is not typical, but there is definitely more in formeron than i was dosing. when i was experimental with dhea, what countered all of the sides were ER blocking serms, but i think im going to try some different anti-estrogens before potentially blocking the actives in formeron with something like those
 
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akboom87 said:
How is it treating you so far?
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i should keep my yap shut until i get a handle on things. i have the labcorp app, so ill know as soon as my pre bloodwork comes in and so far nothing. some backround though, in october i got a bloodtest that had me at around 454 total test on a scale of 250-920. shbg was 58 on a scale of 16-55. prolactin was 20 on a scale of 4-23, free test was 4.3 on a scale of 6.8-21.5. since then i started alot of test boosters and tested for the outcome on 12.12.24, the bloods im waiting for. those supplements include:
activate extreme 3 caps
optimize-t
600-1200mg of gg gold
15-20mg dhea
letrone 1 cap
splilanthes xt 500mg x2
tongkat ali xt or biotest omega man
zinc, p5p, dlphenylalanine l-dopa

i felt like some on the list did me some good, but im not entirely optimistic about the outcome as im fairly certain the issue stems from a lack of sleep due to a work commitment. im very alert and energetic due to an awesome non-stim energy stack, but my workouts have been fairly difficult adn i had started using 200mg caffeine on workout days for the first time in 25 years or so of lifting,

given the backround, it sounds reasonable to assume that a guy like me could either thrive with formeron if i can get a jump in test beyond a certain threshold, or i could flounder in lackluster results due to a lower starting point.

ive only been on formeron since 12.12.24, which is too soon to judge for benefits, but the dhea hit me on the first dose. my dhea from previous bloodwork had me at like a 4 on a 3-30 point scale. when i take it i feel energized all day at 15-20mg. if i double that, my joints and skin benefits, but i get tired, bloated, insanely hungry, and it affects my boners. i wound say formeron has at least double the amount that im normally comfortable with. if my free test was 3x what it is now in the normal range like plenty of other people, i may have a very different experience with the dhea. who knows, but i wasnt properly prepared starting out and resorted to enclomiphine to get the estrogen sides under control. this worked very well, but alitte additional anti-estrogen activity was needed and exemestane worked perfectly to address that. if i went too far, i could take more foremeron. the problem is that, while the enclomiphine has the dhea locked down, it is also probably preventing the formeron from reaching an estrogen receptor. the counter argument to that is that i do need alittle anti-estrogen support on top of the enclomiphine, so there do seem to be additional estrogen recepters to go around. anyway, i started with only the exemestane today and it is still doing a good job getting the estrogen away from my junk. my muscles feel fairly soft though; not really sure if that is a benefit of having more moisture from the increased estrogen or if it's an indication of muscle waisting, which im paranoid about. i would like to be able to predictably take a certain amount of exemestane to acheive the desired result, but it's day one of that and the path isnt clear yet. honestly though, my energy was great after a few days of formeron with the enclomiphine. ive saw a clinic using pregnenolone as a substrate with enclomiphine to increase test, and doing so with dhea may be a great idea. it's also something id like to test for. my feeling is that if i cant get comfortable using formeron the way it's supposed to be used WITHOUT a serm, im just going to make the experiment about testing for the clomiphine/dhea combo, which i know would such since the novel ingredients are what really excite me too. but hey, if the dhea is going to steal the show under my circumstances, it is what it is. i scheduled the followup blood work for two months from now, so i have some room to make mistakes and play around; when i talk to my doctor about the last panel and she realizes that all the work i want is through labcorp, im going to request she just send me what i would hand them and i can take the test at the best time.

so the recap so far is that ive only been on it for about 10 days, and several of those days i was on enclomiphine which may further delay results

i had to drop the 300-500 extra peanut calories as i was getting really fat. my six pack came back after two days thanks to all the forskolin i take. the estrogen was out of control when i got fat so it may have been possible to keep eating like that if i had a lock on things. kept the extra protein powder and only do the extra peanuts twice a week. next workout is sunday
 
Are you sure it’s the formeron affecting your boners? When I took 12.5mg of enclo it completely destroyed that aspect of my sex life, and you can see thousands reporting the same on Reddit.

I would never recommend enclo to anyone because of this, made me feel terrible.
 
Joshlm69 said:
Are you sure it’s the formeron affecting your boners? When I took 12.5mg of enclo it completely destroyed that aspect of my sex life, and you can see thousands reporting the same on Reddit.

I would never recommend enclo to anyone because of this, made me feel terrible.
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i took the enclo to counter the dhea estrogen issues after a few days. i never had any boner problems with it during a previous run, but never saw any benefits on testosterone. didnt do bloodwork on that however.. it definitely dries me out though. at the end of the day, my numbers are more likely behind my response to anything. no yeah though every dose of formeron or a high enough dose of dhea is a daylong estrogen bath for me. interestingly though, suppose the other ingredients in formeron increase my test, given enough time of use, and then the dhea no longer has any bearing on me. just speculation, i mean, the other theory is that some people are just sensitive to dhea
 
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thescience said:
i took the enclo to counter the dhea estrogen issues. i never had any boner problems with it during a run, but never saw any benefits. it definitely dries me out though. at the end of the day, my numbers are more likely behind my response to anything. no yeah though every dose of formeron or a high enough dose of dhea is a daylong estrogen bath for me
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Enclo is definitely not dry for most people
 
WickedWarlock said:
Enclo is definitely not dry for most people
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really? its blocking estrogen receptors. i had no business using it solo, as it literraly stiffened my joints pretty bad. im definitaly not talking about clomid here. i see joint stiffness listed as a common side effect of enclo, but it's wild to think there are people who experience improved joints on it. ive definitely heard that low estrogen can mess with libido/erctions
 
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thescience said:
really? its blocking estrogen receptors. i had no business using it solo, as it literraly stiffened my joints pretty bad. im definitaly not talking about clomid here
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If you're not recovering from a harsh AAS or PH cycle, go with Cloma-Plex over Enclo for sure dude. Best all in one supplement I've ever taken. Always have a huge stash of it in my house. Also boosts your sex drive/boners massively from day 1
 
Joshlm69 said:
If you're not recovering from a harsh AAS or PH cycle, go with Cloma-Plex over Enclo for sure dude. Best all in one supplement I've ever taken. Always have a huge stash of it in my house. Also boosts your sex drive/boners massively from day 1
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yeah e cottonii did also work great. i cant tolerate it, but before i realized that it had totally reversed the effects of a higher dose dhea protocal i had experiemented with. the issue is that e cottoni in clomplex or enclo are serms that would counter anything that works on the ER, which is counterproductive when using formeron
 
only needed 1/2 the dose ive been using of exemestane this morning to even things out and im dry as a bone. began with daily 450mg transdermal magnesium oil also today
 
these are the labs from 12.12.24 following otc test boosting supplements (also formeron pre labs):

free estradiol: 0.08 (range 0.2-1.5
estradiol: 3.7 (range 8-35)
total test: 732.8 (scale 264-916).
free test: 12.8 (range: 6.8-21.5)
dhea sulfate: 129 (range: 16-390)
lutenizing hormone 5.9 (scale 1.7-8.6)
prolactin: 9.5 (scale 3.9-22.7)
IGS-1: 178 (scale 84-270
growth hormone: <0.1 (scale 0.0-10
SHBG: 42 (scale 16.5-55.9)


from 10.3.24 to 12.12.24 my scores had changed accordingly:
total test is went from 454 to 733
free test went from 4.3 to 12.8
prolactin went from 20.2 to 9.5
SHBG went from 58.4 to 42

these were the supplements

activate extreme 3 caps
optimize-t
600-1200mg of gg gold
15-20mg dhea
letrone 1 cap
splilanthes xt 500mg x2
tongkat ali xt or biotest omega man
zinc, p5p, dlphenylalanine l-dopa

i can get the actual labs on here, but ill need a few days; i cant take screen shots on my defunct phone; waiting for the new one to arrive.
 
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thescience said:
these are the labs from 12.12.24 following otc test boosting supplements (also formeron pre labs):

free estradiol: 0.08 (range 0.2-1.5
estradiol: 3.7 (range 8-35)
total test: 732.8 (scale 264-916).
free test: 12.8 (range: 6.8-21.5)
dhea sulfate: 129 (range: 16-390)
lutenizing hormone 5.9 (scale 1.7-8.6)
prolactin: 9.5 (scale 3.9-22.7)
IGS-1: 178 (scale 84-270
growth hormone: <0.1 (scale 0.0-10
SHBG: 42 (scale 16.5-55.9)


from 10.3.24 to 12.12.24 my scores had changed accordingly:
total test is went from 454 to 733
free test went from 4.3 to 12.8
prolactin went from 20.2 to 9.5
SHBG went from 58.4 to 42

these were the supplements

activate extreme 3 caps
optimize-t
600-1200mg of gg gold
15-20mg dhea
letrone 1 cap
splilanthes xt 500mg x2
tongkat ali xt or biotest omega man
zinc, p5p, dlphenylalanine l-dopa

i can get the actual labs on here, but ill need a few days; i cant take screen shots on my defunct phone; waiting for the new one to arrive.
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I'm not understanding. You took test boosters and dhea and had bloodword drawn and these are the results. You test levels went up 300 points. My question so inevitably they will go down now that you are no longer on test boosters so how can you gage if formeron is superessive or not.

However that is a nice test boost from the supplements
 
chainsaw said:
I'm not understanding. You took test boosters and dhea and had bloodword drawn and these are the results. You test levels went up 300 points. My question so inevitably they will go down now that you are no longer on test boosters so how can you gage if formeron is superessive or not.

However that is a nice test boost from the supplements
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its not perfect, but 1) im still using the supplements ( the exception is gg gold, but there is an unspecifoed amount in formeron. i may resume 10-15 days before the draw, although there is a complication) and 2) im assuming if the LH drops due to the body halting production, a decrease would overide any increase caused by test boosters.

i wasnt expecting the altered numbers from the supplements, since i feel 0% different, other than the noticable increased energy from the dhea and the sustained weight increase with chest exercises.

If formeron did result in any of the insanely pronounced effects others have seen, i was also sort of assuming everything else will be overshadowed in a test anyway. at any rate, i should have determined if i was a responder before engaging in a bloodpanel log. my receptors were never tricked by laxogenin, even when i took a highly praised topical. it wasnt until i tried the one that hi-tech had chemically altered that i saw how it affected me. im on day 16 now with formeron, minus a few for my time on enclomiphine. i have 4 bottles of formeron, but if i dont see undeniable results by day 30, my next panel may be about enclomiphine with dhea instead.
 
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It’ll be hard to determine what formeron actually does to your levels as you are introducing/cutting supplements in between every blood test.

I have my base blood test from earlier this year when I was just on M-Test, and as I will be taking M-Test throughout my formeron run, I guess I could do bloods at the end to see
 
Joshlm69 said:
It’ll be hard to determine what formeron actually does to your levels as you are introducing/cutting supplements in between every blood test.

I have my base blood test from earlier this year when I was just on M-Test, and as I will be taking M-Test throughout my formeron run, I guess I could do bloods at the end to see
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yeah i mean the purpose of the bloods for me is purely to see if formeron needs to be cycled/is suppressive. that is a huge question, and one that i cant answer if im a nonresponder. i am admittedly less interested in the exact amount of testosterone it increases. i would be interested in seeing your test results after the run
 
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AwakeningAlpha said:
What would this look like? Dosage and DHEA form? Also what results do you expect/aim to get from it?
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i guess the goal for me would be to successfully manipulate the numbers and know what caused it. i dont know what worked from the list of things i took and what didnt. i started with optimize-t early on before adding alot of the others and felt it helped with libido. dhea is something that gives me more energy every time i take it, but i dont know if that is what is translating into the increased testosterone. one of the takeaways i got from these labs is that i really dont notice anything from an increase in test, other than the possible correlation to the increase in chest lifts i had right before i went to the lab; at this point im guessing that a sharp increase in libido is something id only notice if there is more dht/androgenic effects. i would either test with the encloniphine at 12.5mg/day with probably 15-20mg topical dhea while knocking out some of the expensive items in my list like gg gold to see if there is a rapid decrease in my test score, or if the gg gold made no difference as the 1200mg dose is really expensive. ultimately, im interested in seeing if i can induce the kind of aggression i had when adding dhea to enclomiphine and then testing that to see if there is a correlation in testosterone levels
 
kisaj said:
Your cholesterol numbers are really interesting, seems there was a big improvement there.
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Yeah I dont have an explanation for the change in cholesterol; ive heard of trt improving it, so maybe the supplements for test helped. My log says i didnt get into nad transdermal until after the october draw. The only other big change was that i dropped the chicken i was eating monday through thursday for beef.
 
Im halting the log; I got off for a few days for datenight and noticed a pretty outstanding increase in libido from being off of the dhea. Ive more or less concluded that my particular reaction to dhea disqualifies me from a blood count of any value to anyone. the other issue is that due to my now great testosterone levels on my pre-bloods, i had to schedule with an endocrinologist to get more bloodwork, which adds another month. i had bought four bottles formeron to accomadate a problem like this, i just cant see myself going forward with tne dhea for another month +. i did see some strength gains, some of which were in areas i had recently made gains in and could be said to have already been on a trajectory and others i hadnt:

12.22.24:
leg extention from 265 x10 to 280 x10
lat pull down: 200 x 10 to 220 x10 to 240 x 8
wide grip lat pulldown: 180 x 10 to 220 x7 to 200 x 10
12.23.24
flies 70lb each arm x10 to 80lbs x 10
incline barbell from 155lbs x 10 to175lbs x 10
12.24.24:
cable machine:
72,5 x 15 to 87.5 x 15 to 95 x 8

12.28.24:
leg extension up another 15lbs to 295 x 10 (machine maxed out) that is up from 265 before 12.22.24
wide grip lat pulldown up to 220 x 10
close grip lat pulldown up from the week before again to 240 x10, then 260 x 5 (machine maxed out)

1.1.25 Cable machine up 95 x14

If the supplement does raise test endogenously, i would be pretty exciting to ride out a long term roll on the atriplex and topical 20 beta. right now, im focusing on why i failed here and if there is anything i can do to respond better to dhea than i do. im looking into improving my androgen levels, if that's possible from a supplement. i read an article by . He said roids cause "An increase in adrenergic activity. This refers to the action of adrenaline. Several steroids increase the sensitivity of the beta-adrenergic receptors, meaning your body will respond more strongly to adrenaline. At the muscle level, this makes you stronger and more explosive and gives you a higher muscle tone. But at the brain level, it makes you more aggressive, competitive, assertive, and fearless. The more androgenic a steroid is, the greater its impact on the beta-adrenergic receptors." since i possess the opposite of explosive strength on all of my workout days in my old age, i was thinking maybe dhea is decreasing adrenergic activity, or whatever it is that happens when people take certain anabolics and lose their libido, only to regain in when they take proviron. Im speculating that if i improve my adrenals, maybe dhea wont mess with my junk in the manner it does which presently has seemed to ultimately evade my anti-estrogen countermeasures.

anway, i still have over two bottles of Formeron. Im not terribly optimistic on the theories I have to counteract my personal reaction to dhea at the moment, but ive put a stack together a feel its more responsible for me to take the issue im having with dhea head on
 
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Damn, sorry it didn’t work out for you. Wanted to see if this was suppressive or not, guess I will approach cautiously when I run it
 
Joshlm69 said:
Damn, sorry it didn’t work out for you. Wanted to see if this was suppressive or not, guess I will approach cautiously when I run it
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i havent given up, and ive got more bottles if i can find a way to make dhea work for me better. there arent alot of things on the market im willing to take that make me stronger.

yeah i wanted to get some bloodwork out into the world. from the sounds of it, most users are getting great results from it with zero problems, so i figure my panels wouldnt have any relevance
 
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