FORMERON FAQ

ahh123 said:
You could either just call it TongkatBoron which would come up in many searches when people want to buy one or both products and type this into Google search or on website of a merchant. You know many times people don't remember a name of a product then simply enter as search tongkat or tongkat boron.

Still I like the most TongkatBoron cause everybody knows right away what the product is all about and it will pop out in searches to people wanting to buy a product containing one or both of these ingredients.
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Agree with the TongkatBoron and the point you brought up about people who want to Google it.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
BLR has a huge customer base already so I wouldn't be too worried about copycats.
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Well......6 months after Prolactrone came out SNS came out with their version. Its a terrible product but none the less. We had the first Prolactin product and it was quickly mimicked. If you look at their lineup its all just copies of known products. 0 attempt at innovation and there are tons of companies like that waiting for guys like us to bring new stuff to the market.

6 months after Formeron came out Formasurge came out. Now...we didnt invent transdermal formestane but...the guys behind that were also the owners of our second largest formeron distributor. I used to talk to him everyday and hed ask questions about transdermals and formulations. I thought it was friendly conversation but it turns out to be otherwise. 100% he followed my example. Period. Thankfully I didnt share transdermal carrier formulations.

I work hard to ensure we have products that are not copies of other companies stuff and that our products are relatively innovative. It sucks when people blatantly re create our stuff. BUt....in this industry its gonna happen.
I have learned to keep secrets to myself. Hence not talking about the SERM or the anabolic. They exist. I just cant say anything publicly or every coat tail rider will have it in a bottle and undercutting my price before I blink my eyes.
 
brundel said:
Bought it already lol. Never know ;)I think you make good points regarding color etc.I do think the labels need rebranding though. Problem is I do EVERYTHING myself and Im stretched a bit thin. Also I dont trust anyone to do it for me so there is a problem there lol. Ill keep at it.Also a quick update. Release date for the tongkat boron is pushed back about 10 days beyond previous estimates but here is why.Instead of me making small batches Im having a few thousand made. Currently we have been running into serious supply issues caused by a giant increase in demand. This is a good problem but one I need to address. So...I need to ensure we have stock.We have 0 prolactrone in stock currently which = losing money.At any rate. Soon....maybe 10 days-14 days Ill have plenty of the tongkat boron. We are using boron citrate. Well absorbed version.
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Were you able to hire someone?
 
koi1214 said:
Were you able to hire someone?
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Yes sir. Hes working nights and weekends for me so I can breathe a bit.
Hes still in training though. Its gonna take about a month to get him up to speed on certain processes but hes a fast learner. An old college buddy.
INtelligent and dedicated.

Also I can pay him in trident layers.

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brundel said:
Oh and I received the new non steroidal anabolic today. Im gonna feed it to two friends. 1 aas user and 1 non to see how they respond. If after 2 weeks there is a positive result we will begin public trials :)
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In for trials lol
 
We will need a picture of the participants drivers license and a signed waiver with the signatures matching.
Along with some other pre reqs.
This is to protect us but also to help us validate results.
We want to make sure EVERY single person who starts the study completes it along with the required measurements.

Ill post a thread about it after I feed this stuff to my friends.
 
I'll keep my eyes peeled.
 
Ill post it here so guys who are always in our forums can have a chance to be a part of it.
Unfortunately participants wont know if they are getting the active or control.
 
Itll be good in the end. Even control guys will be able to be a part of the study.
And it will give anyone who wants to know an open book on exactly how we ran our testing. This way when someone says " oh well it doesnt do this or that or how do you know" I just link the trials thread.
Anyone considering the product can see exactly how it worked in a number of people, compared to each other and compared to a control group.

The down side is...if it doesnt work I spent alot of money on nothing lol......but thats the nature of the game I suppose.
Wont be the first time.

Im pretty confident in this stuff though.
 
brundel said:
Bought it already lol. Never know ;)

I think you make good points regarding color etc.
I do think the labels need rebranding though. Problem is I do EVERYTHING myself and Im stretched a bit thin. Also I dont trust anyone to do it for me so there is a problem there lol. Ill keep at it.

Also a quick update. Release date for the tongkat boron is pushed back about 10 days beyond previous estimates but here is why.
Instead of me making small batches Im having a few thousand made. Currently we have been running into serious supply issues caused by a giant increase in demand. This is a good problem but one I need to address. So...I need to ensure we have stock.
We have 0 prolactrone in stock currently which = losing money.

At any rate. Soon....maybe 10 days-14 days Ill have plenty of the tongkat boron. We are using boron citrate. Well absorbed version.
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You can outsource many stuff like design of labels, fonts, logo...at few freelancer sites like fiverr.com where people do such jobs for $5 or multiplies of $5.

I had a hand written cartoon type of video made by a guy from fiverr for $5 with any text and drawings plus music in HD quality - and this video got over 20,000 views. Best $5 spent on advertising my website and a service offered on that website.

I like how you treat your clients and know stuff about new ingredient but I think you could use a guy that knows stuff about online marketing and getting social momentum going for your products at Youtube, Facebook, Twitter...

I'm happy you got TongkatBoron.com - I didn't post it here in this public thread cause there was a chance somebody would register this domain before you.

It's all about good karma - you do good things for people so this is my small contribution to help you in making more money with future products (I'm sure many of us could benefit).
 
ahh123 said:
You can outsource many stuff like design of labels, fonts, logo...at few freelancer sites like fiverr.com where people do such jobs for $5 or multiplies of $5.

I had a hand written cartoon type of video made by a guy from fiverr for $5 with any text and drawings plus music in HD quality - and this video got over 20,000 views. Best $5 spent on advertising my website and a service offered on that website.

I like how you treat your clients and know stuff about new ingredient but I think you could use a guy that knows stuff about online marketing and getting social momentum going for your products at Youtube, Facebook, Twitter...

I'm happy you got TongkatBoron.com - I didn't post it here in this public thread cause there was a chance somebody would register this domain before you.

It's all about good karma - you do good things for people so this is my small contribution to help you in making more money with future products (I'm sure many of us could benefit).
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Thanks I appreciate any information that can help us move forward.
Understand that BLR is pretty much just me. I designed the products, labels, website..I do all the marketing and shipping and ever FN thing there is.
At this point Im overwhelmed. I do have significant business experience as I used to work for a multibillion dollar corp leading a R&D branch.
At some point we will work on more vigorous marketing but Formeron is sort of grey area and I dont want to draw too much attention.
Part of the reason guys get whacked by the F D A (think primordial) is because they are too loud. PP for example was advertising "leading the steroid revolution" on their website and banners all over the net. Its like putting a giant target on yourself.

I had a friend offer to run affiliate marketing and other things for us but this type of advertising is expensive.
Affiliates often want 50-70%. At this % they would have to increase sales by 500 bottles a day to even be consistent with current sales.
So for now Ill likely continue as things are with regards to marketing.
Eventually..Formeron will go away and we will begin aggressive marketing in magazines and social media. For now...in order to be able to continue offering formeron I need to fly under the radar.

Im working hard to develop new products though that will fill the void. 3 that you guys know of currently in R&D phases.
I have also been testing everything I can find AI wise just in case Formestane gets banned. You would be surprised....most of the known legal AI's are pretty much inert. The strongest we tested achieved 30% aromatase inhibition at super high doses...far above what could be cost effective. This is disheartening.
But Ill keep throwing money and time at it.

Im also open to suggestions. Any person who believes they know everything is an idiot.
There are over a hundred thousand members on this forum alone. Its HIGHLY possible one or more have spent some time looking into herbal or chemical AI's and might have suggestions. Ill take em. via PM. ;)

Generally speaking our goal is to produce products that fill existing voids.
We created a fat burner....honestly its one of the best in its class. It doesnt sell well, partially because I didnt market it much but also because there are so many fat burners out there.

When you look at our other products there are not many competitors. We want to continue to be innovative moving forward.
Id hate nothing more than to be just another supp company with BCAA a fat burner and a PWO....blah.

WOW....whats in this coffee O_O
 
brundel said:
Generally speaking our goal is to produce products that fill existing voids.
We created a fat burner....honestly its one of the best in its class. It doesnt sell well, partially because I didnt market it much but also because there are so many fat burners out there.

When you look at our other products there are not many competitors. We want to continue to be innovative moving forward.
Id hate nothing more than to be just another supp company with BCAA a fat burner and a PWO....blah.

WOW....whats in this coffee O_O
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Why don,t you or your rep run a promo for your fat burner?
 
koi1214 said:
Why don,t you or your rep run a promo for your fat burner?
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Agreed.

TBH Incinidrine has a great profile and the only reason I haven't tried it yet myself is that it isn't mentioned much around here.

Stumbled across it while looking at Formeron, which is the most recommended formestane product as far as I can see, and preferred over other brands.

Been following this thread a while because I can see the work that goes into your products and their formulations, Formeron will be a purchase of mine in the near future
 
koi1214 said:
Why don,t you or your rep run a promo for your fat burner?
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I probably should.
Currently we are out of stock on it. Im considering discontinuing it due to lack of sales but again the lack of sales is not because the product is bad its because I just didnt push like I did our others.
Its incredible stuff. I put a ton of solid ingredients at viable doses in there.
 
This is a buddy of mine who used it for contest prep.
Hes 6'5 245 in these pics.

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This is one of the initial testers during R&D.
Same deal. Only Incinderine as a fat burner.
This one is crazy.
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brundel said:
This is one of the initial testers during R&D.
Same deal. Only Incinderine as a fat burner.
This one is crazy.
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How long was this run? That is impressive
 
brundel said:
I probably should.
Currently we are out of stock on it. Im considering discontinuing it due to lack of sales but again the lack of sales is not because the product is bad its because I just didnt push like I did our others.
Its incredible stuff. I put a ton of solid ingredients at viable doses in there.
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Comeon man your slacking man:lmao:.You are OOS on Prolactrone & Incinderine!
 
Driven2lift said:
How long was this run? That is impressive
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Super gnarly I know. I believe 6 weeks. He does some pretty extreme diet changes as well. Intermittent fasting techniques etc.
Oh by the way this run/cut was prepping him for the cover of iron man magazine recently.

Hes my primary guinea pig for all our initial trials. I feed him everything lol.
Hes gonna start the new anabolic tomorrow. lets keep our fingers crossed.
 
koi1214 said:
Comeon man your slacking man:lmao:.You are OOS on Prolactrone & Incinderine!
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Compared to last year we are selling 3-400 maybe 500% more product lol...I didnt anticipate it.
All the raws are en route to the guys who cap our products so it wont be long. Im running 1000 pro and tongkat.
Should hold us for a month or two and plenty of time to start new batches. Normally I order when we are half out...this time it sold faster than I could prepare for.

Formeron is the same. I have like 5 Formeron. But tomorrow Ill have 1000. Sounds like alot.....but itll go in 2 -3 weeks at this pace.

I was gonna discontinue incinderine but...perhaps Ill give it another shot with a heavy marketing push.
I honestly believe its the best out there.
 
I just ordered enough forskolin for another 300 units.
I think I have everything else at the shop.
 
I can't wait it might be ready right when I do my pct in April !!
 
brundel said:
This is one of the initial testers during R&D. Same deal. Only Incinderine as a fat burner. This one is crazy. BEFORE <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97583"/> AFTER <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97584"/>
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Holy crap i wanna try!
 
brundel said:
I ordered more raws so. Ill make more asap.
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doesnt seem the uk suppliers have inciderine and i could really do with results even half as good as those pics, i'll definately order some if you get some more out even if i have to get it from the US.
was also wondering what kind of diet they ran to get those results as diet would be a massive factor in it.


Loving what im getting from formeron at the moment and it stacks really well with osterine, results are much better than i expected.
Just wish the formeron lasted longer (i do 4 pumps a day :)
 
supermanjow said:
Is it wrong that when I'm putting my Formeron on I'm singing, "When I think about you I touch myself..."?
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No that's perfectly normal.
 
MikeST said:
doesnt seem the uk suppliers have inciderine and i could really do with results even half as good as those pics, i'll definately order some if you get some more out even if i have to get it from the US.
was also wondering what kind of diet they ran to get those results as diet would be a massive factor in it.


Loving what im getting from formeron at the moment and it stacks really well with osterine, results are much better than i expected.
Just wish the formeron lasted longer (i do 4 pumps a day :)
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We are out of incinderine and unfortunately also prolactrone.
Both should be in stock in about 2 weeks. Ill be shipping to the UK then.

Formeron does go fast at 4 pumps = 300mg but its worth it.
 
Question , I woke up at 7am showered did two pumps, I have the day off and was going to workout around 10am instead of 6pm change of plans. Did I just waste two pumps because I sweat a ton when I workout.
 
No you haven't wasted it. It absorbs fairly quickly, the carrier used in this product is pure quality and gets into your system promptly.
 
luckylefty811 said:
Question , I woke up at 7am showered did two pumps, I have the day off and was going to workout around 10am instead of 6pm change of plans. Did I just waste two pumps because I sweat a ton when I workout.
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Who showers before they go to the gym?
 
madripper32 said:
Who showers before they go to the gym?
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My wife said I had to bring my kids to the doctor today at 2pm so I have to go before they go to the appointment I didn't plan on going until tonight.
 
I'm just messing with you I know people who shower before going to the beach and stuff like that and it boggles my mind.
 
madripper32 said:
I'm just messing with you I know people who shower before going to the beach and stuff like that and it boggles my mind.
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O ok lol yea this messed my day up, was going to watch some movies , lone survivor, prisoners, but everything is backwards, about to hit the gym now.
 
I've seen it mentioned several times that Formeron "dries you out". Does that mean you lose water weight? I'm taking Creatine currently and started using Formeron, is that a bad idea?
 
neothecat said:
I've seen it mentioned several times that Formeron "dries you out". Does that mean you lose water weight? I'm taking Creatine currently and started using Formeron, is that a bad idea?
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I don't think it does. Now the reduction in estrogen will help with that. When people mention drying out, they are talking about subcutaneous water (under the skin). Creatine pulls water into the muscle tissue. These two things are not related. You will be fine.
 
Sweating opens pores so youll actually absorb more than normal :)

Like SMJ said, creatine pulls 3 water molecules for every CR molecule pulled into MUSCLE. So it inflates muscles along with a host of other actions.

Formeron, by reducing estrogen, will cause a loss of subcutaneous water which gives the user a leaner, drier, harder appearance.
For some....especially those with elevated estro the loss of weight from this can be pretty drastic.
I have a buddy whos in the 280+ range. The guy I posted pics of for Incinderine. When he runs form he loses 10lbs in a week and his face looks like hes been smoking meth...all sucked in. THis is from the water loss as he generally doesnt run an AI and uses a TON of aas.
 
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