FORMERON FAQ

brundel said:
Oh yah. 4 pumps is awesome.
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yea im loving 4 a day. with two bottles will that last thru my cycle into my pct ? on the bottle it says one pump is 1.5ml so i dont think i would have enough to run 30 days of pct.
 
luckylefty811 said:
yea im loving 4 a day. with two bottles will that last thru my cycle into my pct ? on the bottle it says one pump is 1.5ml so i dont think i would have enough to run 30 days of pct.
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Its hard to say. 6ml per day. you have 40 days. Total at 4 pumps. I wouldnt do 4 pumps in PCT though. 1-2 is plenty. Especially because estro will already be down. run it 30 days at 4 pump. Youll have a half bottle left. = 40 days at 1 pump.
70 days total. 30 at 4
40 at 1
 
supermanjow said:
4 a day is finally getting my nips to settle down on 700mg test a week.
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700 test is a relatively high dose.
4 pumps is def needed for anyone even slightly sensitive to estro.

Its funny though...over time your body adjusts to higher test levels by making more aromatase than normal.
I used to run 2000mg test a week with no AI.
Now I need daily AI on my hrt dose lol....sucks.
If I dont take it I start crying at movies.
 
brundel said:
Its hard to say. 6ml per day. you have 40 days. Total at 4 pumps. I wouldnt do 4 pumps in PCT though. 1-2 is plenty. Especially because estro will already be down. run it 30 days at 4 pump. Youll have a half bottle left. = 40 days at 1 pump.
70 days total. 30 at 4
40 at 1
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ok thanks for clearing that up for me. i was more looking at it like .....im on cycle for 6 weeks so thats 42 days and then pct for 30 days. but I definitely feel it at 2 pumps never mind 4 per day. ill see how my body feels on it but i feel great and its only the first week.
 
Bwahahahaha!!! This is my first inject cycle. Looks like I know what too look forward to if I keep it up in the years to come.
 
luckylefty811 said:
ok thanks for clearing that up for me. i was more looking at it like .....im on cycle for 6 weeks so thats 42 days and then pct for 30 days. but I definitely feel it at 2 pumps never mind 4 per day. ill see how my body feels on it but i feel great and its only the first week.
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Oh by all means do it however you like. Id do the 4 pumps on cycle and then just run the rest out in PCT.
Makes more sense. Sorry hadnt had my coffee yet.
Run the 4 for 6 weeks.
Then run the bottle out in PCT. Doesnt HAVE to be 30 days.
 
brundel said:
Oh by all means do it however you like. Id do the 4 pumps on cycle and then just run the rest out in PCT.
Makes more sense. Sorry hadnt had my coffee yet.
Run the 4 for 6 weeks.
Then run the bottle out in PCT. Doesnt HAVE to be 30 days.
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ok thanks ill play it by ear. ive heard my joints may start aching and all this other crap but i figured id go straight to the source. thanks again
 
brundel said:
IN fact....Anyone reading this thread. Chime in and let me know if you are interested in JUST tongkat.
I have it currently. Probably 3kg. I can bag, label and make it available to you guys.
I can also cap it at 500mg caps but cost will go up slightly.
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I would love some bulk tongkat.
 
Brundel, I know you mentioned this, but I am being lazy. What is the ETA for purchase of the tongkat/boron supp?
 
It's ok to grab up my kids after it dries in right ? I don't want them in daycare beating everybody up because they were grabbing my arms when I swing them around.
 
hahaha, nice. Yeah, I am sure you are fine. After it dries, I just brush off the tiny sparkle things. If you are concerned, you could use some disposable gloves. Some people on here do that, I believe.
 
Brundel,

What do you think of applying dermacrine/formestane together? This is a natural run I have always wanted to try so Im about to do it. If anyone has done a dermacrine/formestane run let me know. I'm only going to do 2 pumps of derm while hitting 3-4 of form. From my experiences with both seperately this seems like a crazy fun stack especially if I do the above mentioned 2x a day.
 
onthemove said:
Brundel, What do you think of applying dermacrine/formestane together? This is a natural run I have always wanted to try so Im about to do it. If anyone has done a dermacrine/formestane run let me know. I'm only going to do 2 pumps of derm while hitting 3-4 of form. From my experiences with both seperately this seems like a crazy fun stack especially if I do the above mentioned 2x a day.
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This isn't a natural run
 
Actually you still have hormone on the surface of your skin after it dries thats still absorbing into your skin. Where are you putting it? Put it somewhere that's covered by clothing and afterward wash your hands thoroughly.
 
kisaj said:
Brundel, I know you mentioned this, but I am being lazy. What is the ETA for purchase of the tongkat/boron supp?
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Honestly its just about me having the time to make the labels. Compared to last year we are 5 times more busy. THis is good but Im understaffed.
So...Im trying to get to it. Ill try to make a point to make the labels this week. Then shipping takes about 5 days.
So hopefully 2 weeks. It will be a small batch as I only have 1kg boron currently but it will hold everyone over till I can get more.
I have 10kg of the tongkat coming.
 
luckylefty811 said:
It's ok to grab up my kids after it dries in right ? I don't want them in daycare beating everybody up because they were grabbing my arms when I swing them around.
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Unfortunately not really. THere is some potential for transfer however small its still there and with kids lets not take ANY chance.
WIth your wife the result would be limited. Shes fully grown and larger in stature. A childs system is very sensitive especially to hormones.
You could have one of the go into early puberty lol....Ehem..not lol.

So...apply to upper chest, neck delts. THese are the best application sites. After about 10-15 min, take a towel and brush off any crystals. DO it in the yard or bathroom so they dont directly come in contact with a giant pile of formestane :)
THen wear a shirt. Youll be fine. DIrect contact is not ideal. After you brush off the crystals and wear a shirt the %chance is so small its insignificant.
 
onthemove said:
Brundel,

What do you think of applying dermacrine/formestane together? This is a natural run I have always wanted to try so Im about to do it. If anyone has done a dermacrine/formestane run let me know. I'm only going to do 2 pumps of derm while hitting 3-4 of form. From my experiences with both seperately this seems like a crazy fun stack especially if I do the above mentioned 2x a day.
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Both products have hormonal effects so they are NOT natural by any standard.
That being said I forget whats in dermacrine but I think youll enjoy it. Especially if you have used both with good results.
I do think Dermacrine has 7,8 benzoflavone which has been shown to cause serious liver tumors (within weeks or months) in the presence of elevated estrogens. Tread lightly.
 
onthemove said:
I was just thinking with a 6 week run of it I wouldn't need a serm but I could be wrong
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I dont think youll need a PCT. Estro will be tanked after the cycle. THis alone will cause test to rise into normal range.
 
brundel said:
Honestly its just about me having the time to make the labels. Compared to last year we are 5 times more busy. THis is good but Im understaffed.
So...Im trying to get to it. Ill try to make a point to make the labels this week. Then shipping takes about 5 days.
So hopefully 2 weeks. It will be a small batch as I only have 1kg boron currently but it will hold everyone over till I can get more.
I have 10kg of the tongkat coming.
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You need to hire you an assistant. Will work for Formeron!:think:
 
brundel said:
Unfortunately not really. THere is some potential for transfer however small its still there and with kids lets not take ANY chance. WIth your wife the result would be limited. Shes fully grown and larger in stature. A childs system is very sensitive especially to hormones. You could have one of the go into early puberty lol....Ehem..not lol. So...apply to upper chest, neck delts. THese are the best application sites. After about 10-15 min, take a towel and brush off any crystals. DO it in the yard or bathroom so they dont directly come in contact with a giant pile of formestane :) THen wear a shirt. Youll be fine. DIrect contact is not ideal. After you brush off the crystals and wear a shirt the %chance is so small its insignificant.
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Ok thank you so clean everything off my forearms afterward ?
 
brundel said:
Both products have hormonal effects so they are NOT natural by any standard.
That being said I forget whats in dermacrine but I think youll enjoy it. Especially if you have used both with good results.
I do think Dermacrine has 7,8 benzoflavone which has been shown to cause serious liver tumors (within weeks or months) in the presence of elevated estrogens. Tread lightly.
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so the presence of elevated estrogens would be mute with formeron?
 
No. Apply it to somewhere hidden like your chest, shoulders, pits, etc. Then, wash your hands thoroughly afterwards. If you wash your arms after it dries, your washing your money and hormones down the drain
 
onthemove said:
so the presence of elevated estrogens would be mute with formeron?
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Most likely yes. Unfortunately there is no real way to know if other things can create this issue with the benzoflavone so for years I have avoided it.
Sellers of it say there is nothing to worry about but personally I wouldnt take it under any circumstance. Even if you paid me.
 
supermanjow said:
No. Apply it to somewhere hidden like your chest, shoulders, pits, etc. Then, wash your hands thoroughly afterwards. If you wash your arms after it dries, your washing your money and hormones down the drain
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This^^

remember anything you wash off is wasted.
Forearms are not a great application site either. I used to use them myself but after some research I realized you get 300-400% better absorption at these sites ^^^.
Try to use wrists and not hands to apply as well because almost nothing if not nothing will go through the skin on your hands.

So...wrists to upper chest , delts, neck.
Wait for it to dry. Gently brush off with a towel or something.
Wear a shirt.
Wash only wrists.
 
brundel said:
This^^ remember anything you wash off is wasted. Forearms are not a great application site either. I used to use them myself but after some research I realized you get 300-400% better absorption at these sites ^^^. Try to use wrists and not hands to apply as well because almost nothing if not nothing will go through the skin on your hands. So...wrists to upper chest , delts, neck. Wait for it to dry. Gently brush off with a towel or something. Wear a shirt. Wash only wrists.
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Yea I pump the formeron onto my chest and rub it in with my forearm/wrists. Not my whole forearm, just closed to my wrist as possible. So I'm good to go thanks guys ! I got that rush feeling this morning from 2 pumps again.
 
luckylefty811 said:
Yea I pump the formeron onto my chest and rub it in with my forearm/wrists. Not my whole forearm, just closed to my wrist as possible. So I'm good to go thanks guys ! I got that rush feeling this morning from 2 pumps again.
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I never mention the rush to people because it doesnt happen to everyone.
LOTS of people do experience it though. THis tells you for sure your getting PLENTY of formestane into your system instantly.
Fast enough to cause heart rate to increase and a mild flush from it.
This burst is why I always used the majority around training. The strongest I have ever been was using test base sublinguals 100mg and formeron at 4 pumps before training. Considering I used to run 3500mg+ AAS cycles this is really saying something.

The strength increase is remarkable. Granted 100mg suspension played a part as well.
 
Oh just to keep you guys updated.
The new compound is shipping to me on monday.
Im gonna feed it to a couple people just to see how they respond. If there is a positive response (I strongly expect there will be) Ill begin scouting volunteers for a test study.
Also like I was saying Im gonna try to work on the labels for the tongkat this week.
 
Well beginning of the week and I went from 315 on bench to 355 for 2 reps.
 
gotta say I've noticed strength increases over the last week on approx 3pumps a day, plus I'm having it with boron and creatine and other vit supps
would live to try the boron tongkat, would you ship to the UK Brundel?
But best of all the formeron is really drying me out and my belly is slowly backing off (ok diet obviously is helping there too)
 
MikeST said:
gotta say I've noticed strength increases over the last week on approx 3pumps a day, plus I'm having it with boron and creatine and other vit supps
would live to try the boron tongkat, would you ship to the UK Brundel?
But best of all the formeron is really drying me out and my belly is slowly backing off (ok diet obviously is helping there too)
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I think would be faster and cheaper you order directly from US distributor like nutraplanet than wait for UK distributors like powermyself to get it.

I order from both and to my EU country it took 3-4 weeks from nutraplanet if going with their cheapest shipping and 1.5-2 weeks if using their more expensive parcel delivery company I think was DHL.

Usually UK distributors take 4-6 weeks to get it from US which is really weird when they should get it in 2 weeks but I guess UK custom and filling paper work for new products takes extra 1-2 weeks.

All in all if you want to get tongkat/boron product in less than a month since brundel makes it available then either buy from BLR website or nutraplanet.

If you don't mind waiting 1-2 months then wait for UK distributors to get it.

If it becomes available next week in US then I might order it as well right away and not wait to hit UK in 2nd half of April. I could wait but probably don't want to hehe.

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brundel - you could offer tongkat/boron product 1st at BLR website like an exclusive deal for this forum members, then send rest of the bottles to nutraplanet and maybe you'll see nothing of this 1st small batch left to ship to UK lol.
 
i know what you mean aah123, customs here stopped a shipment of formeron for ages so everywhere sold out, right pain.
got no problem ordering from the US was just wondering if they would ship direct to UK that's all :)
 
Yeah with UK now on 20% VAT for sports supplements there's hard to justify ordering from UK with their double the price plus GBP getting stronger compared to USD and EUR so most Europeans are 2x screwed by ordering from UK (pay higher UK price due to 20% VAT and pay exchange rate fee USD to GBP then GBP to EUR).

Before this tax and GBP going up - difference in price (ordering from UK vs US), was 40-80% but now 100-200%.
 
brundel said:
It will work yes.
Its dose dependent so....just use 1 pump daily. If it drops too low half dose. If it needs to go down more double dose.
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Thanks for the info! Assuming 1 pump does the trick, will 1 pump (say in the morning) get me through the entire day? Also, if I use it for several months, then have to quit for whatever reason, do I need to worry about my test/estrogen levels being out of balance as I come off it?
 
MikeST said:
gotta say I've noticed strength increases over the last week on approx 3pumps a day, plus I'm having it with boron and creatine and other vit supps
would live to try the boron tongkat, would you ship to the UK Brundel?
But best of all the formeron is really drying me out and my belly is slowly backing off (ok diet obviously is helping there too)
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Once I get product made Ill talk to our UK distributors about carrying the product. All of our stuff sells well so they will almost certainly take a trial run.
 
ahh123 said:
I think would be faster and cheaper you order directly from US distributor like nutraplanet than wait for UK distributors like powermyself to get it.

I order from both and to my EU country it took 3-4 weeks from nutraplanet if going with their cheapest shipping and 1.5-2 weeks if using their more expensive parcel delivery company I think was DHL.

Usually UK distributors take 4-6 weeks to get it from US which is really weird when they should get it in 2 weeks but I guess UK custom and filling paper work for new products takes extra 1-2 weeks.

All in all if you want to get tongkat/boron product in less than a month since brundel makes it available then either buy from BLR website or nutraplanet.

If you don't mind waiting 1-2 months then wait for UK distributors to get it.

If it becomes available next week in US then I might order it as well right away and not wait to hit UK in 2nd half of April. I could wait but probably don't want to hehe.

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brundel - you could offer tongkat/boron product 1st at BLR website like an exclusive deal for this forum members, then send rest of the bottles to nutraplanet and maybe you'll see nothing of this 1st small batch left to ship to UK lol.
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Ill probably sell it direct from our site until NP picks it up.
Its true it can take a while to get to the UK but priority shipping only takes about a week. Big orders take 2-3.
And like mike said a HUGE formeron order was stopped in customs. It never made it through. Im unsure why as dozens of others have made it through since.

At any rate... Ill do my best to make it available to everyone as soon as possible.
 
neothecat said:
Thanks for the info! Assuming 1 pump does the trick, will 1 pump (say in the morning) get me through the entire day? Also, if I use it for several months, then have to quit for whatever reason, do I need to worry about my test/estrogen levels being out of balance as I come off it?
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You can always do half a pump am half pm.
Its a suicidal inhibitor so it keeps it suppressed for a while.

Post cycle there is no worry about levels being unbalanced. When the brain senses low estrogen it sends the signal to the balls to make more testosterone.
So...your estro will be low which will increase test. Eventually things will normalize. No need for PCT.
 
brundel said:
Im actually interviewing new staff tomorrow.
Hopefully I can take some of the stress off myself so I have time to do R&D.
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I would jump on this if I was in your neck of the woods. Would be a stellar growing company to be apart of and working for a owner/product designer who has your kind of commitment to the customers is huge.
Wish you luck on your interviews.

I am finishing up my cycle run. I'll shoot you a pm today.
 
One negative thing or at least to me. I travel quite a bit and in order to lock the top you have to pump and twist. Would be cool if you could get it like the bps bottle that can lock from the top position. Just a thought beyond that have had it for a week and love the fact it dries so fast and enjoying it thus far much more then others I have used in past
 
Jbrooks said:
One negative thing or at least to me. I travel quite a bit and in order to lock the top you have to pump and twist. Would be cool if you could get it like the bps bottle that can lock from the top position. Just a thought beyond that have had it for a week and love the fact it dries so fast and enjoying it thus far much more then others I have used in past
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What I do is just get a little travel container and dump it in there. After you do a few pumps you get a good idea of what a pump amount looks like and then you can just apply a similar amount.
 
flightposite said:
I would jump on this if I was in your neck of the woods. Would be a stellar growing company to be apart of and working for a owner/product designer who has your kind of commitment to the customers is huge.
Wish you luck on your interviews.

I am finishing up my cycle run. I'll shoot you a pm today.
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Awesome. I look forward to hearing.
 
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