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John Lane said:
My first tip from the Datbtrue boards is to learn all you can about the Datbtrue Swell Drink with Leucine that is going to be sipped during working out.
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Explain how that works :p All the reads I have done, point for Leucine to be either PWO around 1hour to 2hours before workout to stimulate the mTOR pathway OR Post workout in HIGH levels to cause an insulin spike to help maximize the absorption of the PWO Meal.
 
Celorza said:
Explain how that works :p All the reads I have done, point for Leucine to be either PWO around 1hour to 2hours before workout to stimulate the mTOR pathway OR Post workout in HIGH levels to cause an insulin spike to help maximize the absorption of the PWO Meal.
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Agreed that's all I've read too.
 
^^^ dude, you sound like your in a cult... have you evet tried any other workout?
 
John Lane said:
You want to get that rage you have sorted. I too had thes same problems much like you but I relize it will do no good for progres in life. The Datbtrue Style is the reaserch proven style.
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Lololol trust me I'm not raging, now its just comical.
 
John Lane said:
You want to get that rage you have sorted. I too had thes same problems much like you but I relize it will do no good for progres in life. The Datbtrue Style is the reaserch proven style.
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so is wendler 5/3/1, but we dont go to a well respected loggers log and tell him he is all wrong cause he does gvt or 5x5
 
John Lane said:
You want to get that rage you have sorted. I too had thes same problems much like you but I relize it will do no good for progres in life. The Datbtrue Style is the reaserch proven style.
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I to style follow the Datbtrue. Gains I make proven style research. Life better get dabtrue stlye drink . Leucine drink rods I get. Spew cake batter pattern similar to map of hawaii on back of female .
 
roblasane said:
I to style follow the Datbtrue. Gains I make proven style research. Life better get dabtrue stlye drink . Leucine drink rods I get. Spew cake batter pattern similar to map of hawaii on back of female .
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i do to follow datbtrue, god he is. No Arnold, wendler, cutler nor Cutler. proven pages to many to go over. your lifting self, i musr save
 
John Lane said:
I t goes with the program from Conwict on the Datbtrue site that has much more pages then I can take time for. It is all there on the site. I am tring to help and trac the progress for me aginst these on this one. Its not cult or somesuch just proven Science, Datbtrue only has peer reviewed journals to back up his protacols.
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Hm...I'll do some reading and get back to yah then
 
roblasane said:
I to style follow the Datbtrue. Gains I make proven style research. Life better get dabtrue stlye drink . Leucine drink rods I get. Spew cake batter pattern similar to map of hawaii on back of female .
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Brother LaSane , this is the main reason you are my business associate for Steakadrol and Tunavar Industries :), even though you have now forsaken and abandoned me for your wife and kids.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
It really seems like he's saying datbtrue's style is superior to all others.
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he sounds like hes in a cult.. maybe its because he justs learning english and cant convay stuff effectivly
 
benmayro said:
he sounds like hes in a cult.. maybe its because he justs learning english and cant convay stuff effectivly
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exactly why i said this dude.. i understand im learning spanish so id be the same way! you just need to understand datbtrue isnt perfect and there is other ways of lifting correctly and makimg huge gains reply to my private message
 
benmayro said:
exactly why i said this dude.. i understand im learning spanish so id be the same way! you just need to understand datbtrue isnt perfect and there is other ways of lifting correctly and makimg huge gains
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No creo que estes aprendiendo espanol de la manera correcta Beny, la mayoria de los profesores de espanol en este pais no estan calificados para dar clases de un idioma tan complejo como el mio ;). Si quieres te doy clases hermano, para que ya no batalles con el idioma ;).
 
benmayro said:
he sounds like hes in a cult.. maybe its because he justs learning english and cant convay stuff effectivly
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I've just never regarded anyone so highly, its not my style. I'm more of one man wolfpack, I've picked bits and pieces of several training styles and developed my own way of training, and it works great for me.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
I've just never regarded anyone so highly, its not my style. I'm more of one man wolfpack, I've picked bits and pieces of several training styles and developed my own way of training, and it works great for me.
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Amen to that bro...Its the only way to live IMO...I have my bro's (you included) and I love em...but in the end, I am used to doing things myself and expecting everything only from myself and no one else.
 
Celorza said:
Amen to that bro...Its the only way to live IMO...I have my bro's (you included) and I love em...but in the end, I am used to doing things myself and expecting everything only from myself and no one else.
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Exactly and we both know its more nutrition then the actual training.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Exactly and we both know its more nutrition then the actual training.
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Hence I have blamed my lack of definition in my nutrition and not on Wendler 5/3/1 but...then again I might switch around my 5/3/1 :p! I do need to switch it up a bit since my Bench has Flat Lined Plateaued :p and at 140lbs , 185lbs for bench max is NOT acceptable.
 
Celorza said:
Brother LaSane , this is the main reason you are my business associate for Steakadrol and Tunavar Industries :), even though you have now forsaken and abandoned me for your wife and kids.
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You are not forsaken !! Besides once I move into the new house I'll have time to start beta testing Oatmealasterone.

This lane guy is a trip ! I need to go to sleep but I'm afraid I'll miss something .
 
Celorza said:
Hence I have blamed my lack of definition in my nutrition and not on Wendler 5/3/1 but...then again I might switch around my 5/3/1 :p! I do need to switch it up a bit since my Bench has Flat Lined Plateaued :p and at 140lbs , 185lbs for bench max is NOT acceptable.
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Do u think you'll always do Lean Gains?
 
Celorza said:
No creo que estes aprendiendo espanol de la manera correcta Beny, la mayoria de los profesores de espanol en este pais no estan calificados para dar clases de un idioma tan complejo como el mio ;). Si quieres te doy clases hermano, para que ya no batalles con el idioma ;).
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si, me gusta levantar pescas y hablar con cel
 
chedapalooza said:
4-12 weeks depending on time if year, supplementation, vacations, events, etc.

As I age, (lol I'm 24 in a month) I realize that less is more. You don't need to abuse your body. In fact, you can't. As a beginner, sure u can go out n lift and run 6-7 days a week- but donthat for 4-5 years... Your body will let u know exactly what it thinks about that unless u start juicing lol. I would say a deload (light weights/not to failure) is needed and beneficial every 4th week. A complete off week should be taken every 8th to 12th week. Plan accordingly! Use the off weeks to get lots of errands done, go on vaca, etc.. Example:
Week1-3 full on
Week 4-deload
Week 5-7 - full on
Week 8 off or deload
Week9-11 full on
Week 12 off or deload
When u go off for a week completely, you reset the cycle... So you shoul be able to go 6-8 weeks before another full off week is needed.

This is how I view it personally and am going to start living by.
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Celorza said:
I enjoy my cardio :D!

Idk...I follow 5/3/1 so its:

-3 weeks going up in weight.
-1 week deload.
-Reset with higher weight.

And just cycle over and over.
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Thanks guys, I have been doing my deload about every 12weeks... but that might explain why I feel so worn out at times...
 
So I have been thinking, and I'll schedule it more into a Real Dave Tate's Periodization Bible for Wendler 5/3/1. You folks tell me your thoughts ok?:

Monday, OH Press day:

Main lift:
OH 5/3/1

Assistance:

Shoulders: Dumbbell Seated Press or Upright Rows.

Back: Weighted Chin Ups/Hammer Ups/ Pull ups.

Triceps: CGBP or Tri's Pushdown.

Tuesday, Deadlift Day:

Main Lift:
Deadlift 5/3/1

Assistance:

Hamstrings: Prone Leg Curl

Quads: Front Squats or Leg Presses

Abs: Hanging Leg Raises (Weighted or to Failure)

Thursday, Bench Press:

Main Lift:

Bench 5/3/1

Assistance:

Chest: Weighted Dips.

Back: Bent Over Single Arm Rows (Kroc Rows) or Bent Over Barbell Row.

Triceps: CGBP or Triceps Pushdown.

Friday, Squat Day:

Main Lift:
Squat 5/3/1

Assistance:

Hams: Romanian Deadlifts

Quads: Front Squats or Leg Press

Abs: Weighted Sit ups.

All assistance workouts consist of 5 sets of 10-20 reps each.

So what do you think?
 
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roblasane said:
You are not forsaken !! Besides once I move into the new house I'll have time to start beta testing Oatmealasterone.

This lane guy is a trip ! I need to go to sleep but I'm afraid I'll miss something .
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Excellent! We need also to recruit some beta testers for Methyl-Fats-O-Drol , I'm afraid we have to test Oatmealesterone by itself brother, so we have to get some guinea pigs for my new compound!
Dr.Stri8ed said:
Do u think you'll always do Lean Gains?
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Most likely :p!
benmayro said:
si, me gusta levantar pescas y hablar con cel
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Muy bien :D! se escribe: Pesas!!
wasme said:
Thanks guys, I have been doing my deload about every 12weeks... but that might explain why I feel so worn out at times...
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That might be why haha.
 
real good, for the bench ever thought about using the buckeye.. it gave me great resuklts.. its just the reps you use for the actual benching.. youll do your normal other exercisea
 
John Lane said:
You are all WRONG and lost in the BROSCIENCE you have become to have comfort with. You realate protacol to one anouther based on what some other guy Brosciencing says and think you are doing good beause you see some gain when you could do much better progress. Datbtrue is no such cult or any of this. It is ALL 100% BACKED PEER REVIEWED SCIENCE not BROSCIENCE like you have going on here. I have to go for now but wil be back tomorow with some more of what I have that acturally has studies to back up that which is espoused.
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your using protacol wrong again
 
benmayro said:
real good, for the bench ever thought about using the buckeye.. it gave me great resuklts.. its just the reps you use for the actual benching.. youll do your normal other exercisea
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Explain the Buckeye :blink:
 
Celorza said:
Explain the Buckeye :blink:
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instead of using 5/3/1 numbers for bench you do its. let me show you, it goes off your max bench in increments of 10lbs, so if you move up .. your max has increase by 10lbs. So when i first started my max was 185 so i did the 180 one to be safe. i did 90/8 ( 90lbs for 8 reps) 105/6 120/4 135/3 150/2 165/1 and 120/4. i moved up after i get i good two times. Today i did the one for "300 max" 210/8 225/6 240/4 255/3 270/2 285/1 and 240/4... is that good bud
 
benmayro said:
instead of using 5/3/1 numbers for bench you do its. let me show you, it goes off your max bench in increments of 10lbs, so if you move up .. your max has increase by 10lbs. So when i first started my max was 185 so i did the 180 one to be safe. i did 90/8 ( 90lbs for 8 reps) 105/6 120/4 135/3 150/2 165/1 and 120/4. i moved up after i get i good two times. Today i did the one for "300 max" 210/8 225/6 240/4 255/3 270/2 285/1 and 240/4... is that good bud
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I could swap out the 5/3/1 day for bench and switch it for that if I am still plateauing haha, sounds good bubba!
 
anytime bud.. brought my bench up atleast 105lbs in 6 months, i platuea twice only for a week each.. google "buckeye routine" there are like 30 results with the chart of numbers.. I recondmend starting with the same one i did!!
 
Heading to the gym :D I just love OH press day haha. Good morning too folks :D
 
roblasane said:
Kill it !!
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For a deload, it felt pretty good :D!

Day 37 7/24:

OH deload day:

5/3/1 deload
45x5
55x5
65x5

OH assistance work from "big but boring":

70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10

Upright Rows

70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10

Side raises

20x20
20x20
20x20
20x20
20x20

Skull crushers

40x20
40x20
40x20
40x20
40x20

Gonna be changing up the routine possibly in this next week to the one I proposed for a more strict guideline of 5/3/1 and focusing on the periodization of the muscles.

Form-X notes:
-good lucid dreaming last night (the ones you enjoy haha) and presence of morning wood and lewd thoughts indicate libido is still up if not higher.
 
Celorza said:
For a deload, it felt pretty good :D!

Day 37 7/24:

OH deload day:

5/3/1 deload
45x5
55x5
65x5

OH assistance work from "big but boring":

70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10

Upright Rows

70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10

Side raises

20x20
20x20
20x20
20x20
20x20

Skull crushers

40x20
40x20
40x20
40x20
40x20

Gonna be changing up the routine possibly in this next week to the one I proposed for a more strict guideline of 5/3/1 and focusing on the periodization of the muscles.

Form-X notes:
-good lucid dreaming last night (the ones you enjoy haha) and presence of morning wood and lewd thoughts indicate libido is still up if not higher.
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Nice way to rest up your CNS. Mr AM who takes on all comers from outside forums and their resident gurus. (I hope you know what I am talking about) impressed with your knowledge. Keep going !!! I like reading your posts.
 
fumoney said:
Nice way to rest up your CNS. Mr AM who takes on all comers from outside forums and their resident gurus. (I hope you know what I am talking about) impressed with your knowledge. Keep going !!! I like reading your posts.
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Thanks bro :D! And of course! its an open log ;) I have to keep an open mind and be willing to accept anyone who comes in here :p
 
John Lane said:
Cel- It is diconcerting that your log is buried. For now you should halt all the threads and have teh whole site focus on this one thread as I can not reach all the people on this forum and answer everyones questions abouth the Datbtrue reasearch to each person indidually. It would be nearly impossible. As i have hundreds of PMs in my inbox from last night I can not anwer them all individually and still keep up with the new reasearch Datbtrue has comming out on the daily. I appoligive in advance to all those who left me notifications last night and this morning for not getting back to you. So please tell your memeber on theis site only to ask me questions though this thread as it will be easier for me than to PM all these people back.

Thank You
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I'm still wondering why you took interest in me at all :D! So its ok haha.
 
John Lane said:
Cel- It is diconcerting that your log is buried. For now you should halt all the threads and have teh whole site focus on this one thread as I can not reach all the people on this forum and answer everyones questions abouth the Datbtrue reasearch to each person indidually. It would be nearly impossible. As i have hundreds of PMs in my inbox from last night I can not anwer them all individually and still keep up with the new reasearch Datbtrue has comming out on the daily. I appoligive in advance to all those who left me notifications last night and in this morning for not getting back to you. So please tell your memebers on theis site only to ask me questions though this thread as it will be easier for me than to PM all these people back.

Thank You
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This is not real cel, someone and i dont know who is messing with you me and everyone else on your log
 
pm box cant hold hundreds of messages.. its like 50
 
benmayro said:
This is not real cel, someone and i dont know who is messing with you me and everyone else on your log
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I've thought about it being someone trolling me...Somehow I wanna doubt that haha. Who would go through the trouble of making a fake account and doing this? I mean...I only know of one person who would take all that time and trouble out of pure hate haha and well...that person is not even a member of this forums and she is getting married :p so I don't think I know someone else who would see me as important a person in their lives to do this.
benmayro said:
pm box cant hold hundreds of messages.. its like 50
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Also, Inbox can hold 100 msgs :p
 
John Lane said:
It does not matter if it is real the point is I simply can not get to these people and am sorry but I don't have teh time. I am happy to help when i can but as I say there are too many threads all going on this site here. Datbtrue only has one thread going at a time with less confusion this is what i am accustomed to.
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Your English writing skills are getting better John :)
 
Celorza said:
I've thought about it being someone trolling me...Somehow I wanna doubt that haha. Who would go through the trouble of making a fake account and doing this? I mean...I only know of one person who would take all that time and trouble out of pure hate haha and well...that person is not even a member of this forums and she is getting married :p so I don't think I know someone else who would see me as important a person in their lives to do this.

Also, Inbox can hold 100 msgs :p
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i think you just wanna be special because the disciple of datbtrue is speaking through your log
 
benmayro said:
i think you just wanna be special because the disciple of datbtrue is speaking through your log
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Guilty as charged :p haha
 
i dont care about how you talk bud.. thats no big deal at all.. i am just amazed at this entire situation and how you just take over cels log with the idea of information (none yet though) about an internet lifting guru i have research recently that has a few good ideas every once in a while. Yes, i did pm because i wanted to have you supply information about the lifting routine you are recondmending so much because i like to believe the best in people
 
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