What do y'all think about mandatory psych evals for firearm purchases?
And moving age of AR purchase to 21?
And moving age of AR purchase to 21?
Can psych evaluations be easily manipulated, though? Especially if you’re just getting one before you buy one, you’d have time to train to seem normal I’d think.What do y'all think about mandatory psych evals for firearm purchases?
And moving age of AR purchase to 21?
No 3D printers actually. Nice guess tho.Americans would make guns in their back yard?
Just saw you beat me to itI read an article awhile back where the atf said they were concerned about 3d printers making non-metallic guns with plastic bullets.... it is very hard for lawmakers to keep up with technology, imo.
You’re on the right track. We just need to be humans again. We all used to talk and have so much community that we didn’t need formal scheduled times to interact with another human that cares hahaSerious question and slightly off topic but may fit, I was thinking of this a while back and this tragedy made me think of it again. What would be the outcome if employers/schools required every employee or student to do a biweekly or monthly counseling visit? I believe even those without a mental health issue would benefit from this and it kind of made me think how different things would or wouldn’t be.
In order to graduate or get your paycheck, you have to do some form of therapy every once in a while. Is that too controlling?
On paper, psych evals seem sound like a good idea, but they're not that easy to do. People seem to think they're like taking a facebook quiz and Billy Ray down at the Walmart isn't going to be able to interpret them before selling a rifle. I also think it's a bad idea to have government labeling people as mentally fit as it will get exploited by both sides. Somebody takes an SSRI for migraines and now all of the sudden they're labled the same as somebody with legit psychosis.What do y'all think about mandatory psych evals for firearm purchases?
And moving age of AR purchase to 21?
Why does a regular person need a semi automatic rifle?What do y'all think about mandatory psych evals for firearm purchases?
And moving age of AR purchase to 21?
I like the idea, but I wouldn't make it s graduation requirement. Secondly, I teach so I am speaking from first hand experience, schools could not afford more school psychiatrists, or even a single one.Serious question and slightly off topic but may fit, I was thinking of this a while back and this tragedy made me think of it again. What would be the outcome if employers/schools required every employee or student to do a biweekly or monthly counseling visit? I believe even those without a mental health issue would benefit from this and it kind of made me think how different things would or wouldn’t be.
In order to graduate or get your paycheck, you have to do some form of therapy every once in a while. Is that too controlling?
Of course, that goes along with the “arm the teachers” idea.. they can barely afford pencils, how would they get each teacher a handgun and active shooter training?I like the idea, but I wouldn't make it s graduation requirement. Secondly, I teach so I am speaking from first hand experience, schools could not afford more school psychiatrists, or even a single one.
My district only provided us with a four pack whiteboard markers at the start of the year, we also provide our own tissues, hand sanitizer, etc. I have friends who work at schools that give teachers a single ream of paper then after that, teachers have to provide their own.
The lack of a budget would not allow for another 3 or more employees.
Don't know. For the record, I'm against that as well. Putting a firearm in my classroom makes more problems than we have right now.Of course, that goes along with the “arm the teachers” idea.. they can barely afford pencils, how would they get each teacher a handgun and active shooter training?
The same group that wants to arm the teachers wants to defund public education.Of course, that goes along with the “arm the teachers” idea.. they can barely afford pencils, how would they get each teacher a handgun and active shooter training?
Unless trained very well, my previous teachers would due the majority of the killing had they been given/allowed to carry a gun. Directly and indirectly.The same group that wants to arm the teachers wants to defund public education.
I think something in that vein would be appropriate. Appears to be the one item that would stop these recent school shootings.What do y'all think about mandatory psych evals for firearm purchases?
And moving age of AR purchase to 21?
I believe a person would have to be trained to conceal their deception when undergoing an oral psych eval.Can psych evaluations be easily manipulated, though? Especially if you’re just getting one before you buy one, you’d have time to train to seem normal I’d think.
I thought the age was already 21 until recently.
Typically most useful during a period of civil disorder as in following a natural or man-made disaster.Why does a regular person need a semi automatic rifle?
I have one because they're fun. They're cool to customize, sort of like legos for adults. It is a cool skill to learn because it isn't easy to hit a target dead on from certain distances. It can also be used for things like hunting coyotes. The off chance there is a zombie apocalypse, it would be helpful. LolWhy does a regular person need a semi automatic rifle?
It definitely couldn't make things worse by trying it out.I believe a person would have to be trained to conceal their deception when undergoing an oral psych eval.
I agree. My brother is a LEO interrogation instructor. He was the source of my answer that someone trained to be deceptive could pass an oral interview.I have one because they're fun. They're cool to customize, sort of like legos for adults. It is a cool skill to learn because it isn't easy to hit a target dead on from certain distances. It can also be used for things like hunting coyotes. The off chance there is a zombie apocalypse, it would be helpful. Lol
I have no intent on using it for self defense. I live in an apartment building, that would be too dangerous to use if someone broke in. Shotgun for that will work just fine and be a bit safer.
It definitely couldn't make things worse by trying it out.
Most people suggesting the idea don't suggest the school buying firearms. They suggest letting teachers that already own one be able to take training and be allowed to bring it into the class.Of course, that goes along with the “arm the teachers” idea.. they can barely afford pencils, how would they get each teacher a handgun and active shooter training?
Fair enough. It would end up costing the school something though I’m sure, or half the teachers would probably expect the school to pay for their gun or training if they couldn’t afford it themselves.Most people suggesting the idea don't suggest the school buying firearms. They suggest letting teachers that already own one be able to take training and be allowed to bring it into the class.
The AR isn't the problem nor is banning them going to solve anything. We all wish the solution was that simple. Even the most extreme pro gun people I know would gladly give up their AR if it would stop a tragedy like this from happening again. If they were banned they will still exist you just couldn't buy a new one from a store. If someone has planned ahead of time to commit murder there's lots of other options, and some that could take a lot more lives. The problem is much more complex then a gun model.Why does a regular person need a semi automatic rifle?
It's more of an liability and insurance issue then the cost of the guns. If a teacher shoots someone with a firearm the school provides the school is liable, and the person could sue.Fair enough. It would end up costing the school something though I’m sure, or half the teachers would probably expect the school to pay for their gun or training if they couldn’t afford it themselves.
That's why allowing a teacher to carry one they own, after a training process, eliminates that specific risk of liability.It's more of an liability and insurance issue then the cost of the guns. If a teacher shoots someone with a firearm the school provides the school is liable, and the person could sue.
How would that eliminate or even reduce the risk of liability?That's why allowing a teacher to carry one they own, after a training process, eliminates that specific risk of liability.
No it doesn't. Not even a tiny bit.That's why allowing a teacher to carry one they own, after a training process, eliminates that specific risk of liability.
It's more of an liability and insurance issue then the cost of the guns. If a teacher shoots someone with a firearm the school provides the school is liable, and the person could sue.
What are you basing this statement on? If a teacher hits a kid, the school can be sued. It doesn't matter if they brought their own hand from home. Why would a gun be different?If it's not a firearm provided by the school, it eliminates this argument.
No, it doesn't. The school isn't immune from liability because they didn't provide the gun. That's a lawsuit I'd win every dayIf it's not a firearm provided by the school, it eliminates this argument.
Why aren't schools held liable for not providing adequate security during school violence? That's a lawsuit that should be won everyday.No, it doesn't. The school isn't immune from liability because they didn't provide the gun. That's a lawsuit I'd win every day
Well, they are two different claims for starters.Why aren't schools held liable for not providing adequate security during school violence? That's a lawsuit that should be won everyday.
youngandfree's guide to posting: 1) make a statement based on opinion and very limited experience with the real world, 2) be told that his opinion isn't based on reality, 3) rather than using this moment as a learning experience, make another wild claim not based on reality to avoid having to answer anything about the previous statement, 4) repeatWhy aren't schools held liable for not providing adequate security during school violence? That's a lawsuit that should be won everyday.
I am surprised no one corrected this. That number is a fabrication. It is a deliberately manipulated statistic that is meant to incite fear.That school is pretty damn close to where I live. Absolutely awful. 18 school shootings this year alone
I think 21 is for handguns, at least it used to be (in Texas) unless you were AD military. Likely because they can be concealed more easily than a rifle or shotgun.Can psych evaluations be easily manipulated, though? Especially if you’re just getting one before you buy one, you’d have time to train to seem normal I’d think.
I thought the age was already 21 until recently.
Yeah, that stat come from Everytown for Gun Safety. They constantly publish misleading numbers which don't help. I missed that post, but there was one in the past that claimed hundreds of school shootings since Sandy Hook, which again is false as well.I am surprised no one corrected this. That number is a fabrication. It is a deliberately manipulated statistic that is meant to incite fear.I think 21 is for handguns, at least it used to be (in Texas) unless you were AD military. Likely because they can be concealed more easily than a rifle or shotgun.
Well, they are two different claims for starters.
Secondly, one has to do with a teacher (employee) shooting a student and the other has to do with a student being violent.
Alek's guide to posting.. be a dick because I have a PhD in dick head studies.youngandfree's guide to posting: 1) make a statement based on opinion and very limited experience with the real world, 2) be told that his opinion isn't based on reality, 3) rather than using this moment as a learning experience, make another wild claim not based on reality to avoid having to answer anything about the previous statement, 4) repeat
Get off the internet and get my fries to the window already. I'm not waiting here all day.Alek's guide to posting.. be a dick because I have a PhD in dick head studies.
Valid how? Do the math and then tell me that you'd honestly vote in favor of the price tag. Jim Bob the gym teacher who has been overcompensating his entire life and now gets to bring a gun to work isn't a valid answer. Letting Billy Joe the vet with PTSD who likes to brag about all the brown people he's killed shouldn't be roaming the halls either.I realize it's a different question all together, but is still a valid one no one is asking.
See you're off on a tangent because you can only attack everything I post. You keep lyrics ignored the question. Typical.Valid how? Do the math and then tell me that you'd honestly vote in favor of the price tag. Jim Bob the gym teacher who has been overcompensating his entire life and now gets to bring a gun to work isn't a valid answer. Letting Billy Joe the vet with PTSD who likes to brag about all the brown people he's killed shouldn't be roaming the halls either.
If only we could be as smart as you. The one and only truth seeker.Get off the internet and get my fries to the window already. I'm not waiting here all day.
it's ironic that you think these are what make up "educators" in public schools since you always talk about bwing more educated.Valid how? Do the math and then tell me that you'd honestly vote in favor of the price tag. Jim Bob the gym teacher who has been overcompensating his entire life and now gets to bring a gun to work isn't a valid answer. Letting Billy Joe the vet with PTSD who likes to brag about all the brown people he's killed shouldn't be roaming the halls either.
Do you know how the Florida shooter got out?So the theory that a student may get hit during a confrontation with a school shooter and an armed employee supercede's providing any sort of meaningful defense against the same shooter will definitely keep shooting students, and won't stop till they are out of ammo or armed resistence shows up. Makes sense.
There is no reason we cant have teachers/faculty train to be a armed watchful eye in the schools. It can be voluntary and responsible. They can have annual seminars working with authorities, it shouldnt be overly time consuming or expensive. Nobody is saying just throw guns at school teachers with no thought, and if they are thats just silly of themDo you know how the Florida shooter got out?
He put his gun down and walked away with the other students. You are wanting untrained teachers be the schools defense system. A teacher isn't a police officer. What if the shooter is a teacher? What if one student takes a dead teachers gun to try to shoot the killer and is thought of as the attacker and killed by the untrained teacher?
The problem is the accessibility of guns, not the lack of armed folks in a high school.
Simple, direct question. Do you believe Sandy Hook happened as reported by the news agencies that are not Alex Jones?There is no reason we cant have teachers/faculty train to be a armed watchful eye in the schools. It can be voluntary and responsible. They can have annual seminars working with authorities, it shouldnt be overly time consuming or expensive. Nobody is saying just throw guns at school teachers with no thought, and if they are thats just silly of them
Most teachers/people are good, Id take my odds on a well armed good public being able to be there for defense in times of need. We cant stop crazy.
What if a student hijacked a school bus or a bus driver went crazy (probably off of presc. meds) and drove in into water and killed 20 students by drowning? Do we ban school buses and bus drivers? Buses are armed projectiles, we can run over so many children waiting to get on the bus at certain ours. Its endlessly easy to kill.
Out of all the school shootings, how many walked out in the crowd? Please point to where I said I wanted untrained teachers to be armed. Secondarily, most states have laws that allow a legal permit holder to engage a deadly threat with deadly force even though they aren't a police officer.Do you know how the Florida shooter got out?
He put his gun down and walked away with the other students. You are wanting untrained teachers be the schools defense system. A teacher isn't a police officer. What if the shooter is a teacher? What if one student takes a dead teachers gun to try to shoot the killer and is thought of as the attacker and killed by the untrained teacher?
The problem is the accessibility of guns, not the lack of armed folks in a high school.
Did it happen? Yes. "As reported? Absolutely not.Simple, direct question. Do you believe Sandy Hook happened as reported by the news agencies that are not Alex Jones?
Then why are you for arming teachers if this is all just staged as part of some government conspiracy?Did it happen? Yes. "As reported? Absolutely not.
I dont know exactly what happened in Sandy, I never will. I just said I dont believe what happened as reported.Then why are you for arming teachers if this is all just staged as part of some government conspiracy?
Thats real nowSoros must love how divided we are. The crying liberals and the extreme right is falling right into the trap. You think these shootings are random? Rahm Emanuel once said never let a good tragedy go to waste.
We are all being played