I’m about to start my first Deca cycle. I was thinking of starting at 300mg per week, but wondering if I should go up to 600mg to see the best results. I will also be on Test and Dbol. Thanks.
You may have already mentioned this ....I’m about to start my first Deca cycle. I was thinking of starting at 300mg per week, but wondering if I should go up to 600mg to see the best results. I will also be on Test and Dbol. Thanks.
to add to that, have you run dbol before?You may have already mentioned this ....
Have you ran NPP before?
Did you already purchase the Deca?
NPP? If it’s Deca, then no I haven’t run it before. And yes I’ve already purchased it.You may have already mentioned this ....
Have you ran NPP before?
Did you already purchase the Deca?
Well, it isn't Deca (only Deca is Deca).NPP? If it’s Deca, then no I haven’t run it before. And yes I’ve already purchased it.
We're you asking this because you think someone should try NPP first, or perhaps you prefer NPP? Just picking your brain. I ordered an NPP/Deca blend because it was on sale and have never run a nandralone before. Not trying to take away from the OP's questions. I'm just getting opinions on nandralones.You may have already mentioned this ....
Have you ran NPP before?
Did you already purchase the Deca?
Yeah, the majority opinion is that guys would be better off trying NPP first.We're you asking this because you think someone should try NPP first, or perhaps you prefer NPP? Just picking your brain. I ordered an NPP/Deca blend because it was on sale and have never run a nandralone before. Not trying to take away from the OP's questions. I'm just getting opinions on nandralones.
NPP comes with fewer sides.We're you asking this because you think someone should try NPP first, or perhaps you prefer NPP? Just picking your brain. I ordered an NPP/Deca blend because it was on sale and have never run a nandralone before. Not trying to take away from the OP's questions. I'm just getting opinions on nandralones.
Hindsight is always 20/20. But I got a smoking good deal on 30 ampules of a 300mg blend of (100 NPP/200 Deca). This cycle is a ways away and this question ties in to the OP's question. What's a good starting dose? Could I get away with 2 x a week pinning?NPP comes with fewer sides.
And because it is a shorter ester, if it causes problems, it won't be in your system for a long time.
You'd probably get better advice on the specifics from @Hyde , or @Nac , or .....Hindsight is always 20/20. But I got a smoking good deal on 30 ampules of a 300mg blend of (100 NPP/200 Deca). This cycle is a ways away and this question ties in to the OP's question. What's a good starting dose? Could I get away with 2 x a week pinning?
.... (If not, I'll help you out).You'd probably get better advice on the specifics from @Hyde , or @Nac , or .....
This doesn’t really answer my question. What’s a good starting dose?Well, it isn't Deca (only Deca is Deca).
But it is Nandrolone.
And many guys find it preferable to Deca (especially in terms of sides).
Especially for less experienced users.
You should do some research on it.
If you're talking about for Deca, wait a few minutes, and you'll get some good dosage recommendations.This doesn’t really answer my question. What’s a good starting dose?
NPP seems to be a very in vogue drug at the moment, and I don't necessarily agree that it's a better alternative than longer esterfied nandrolone. For one thing, you're a pin cushion when you're using NPP as you have to inject it multiple times a week. Not to mention those shorter esters are painful.Just for clarify (I know @Renew knows this but the way the questions have been phased I just want to clarify).
both npp and ‘deca’ are nandrolone. Deca is just the name of the ester (same as testosterone decanoate for example, this is nandrolone decanoate - just over the years deca became used to mean nandrolone decanoate)
they are the same compound, npp has a half life of 2 days approx whereas ‘deca’ is 6-8 days.
yeah I agree. The big ole boys back in the day used to do just great off deca (which I personally find magical for my joints, makes training heavy much easier).NPP seems to be a very in vogue drug at the moment, and I don't necessarily agree that it's a better alternative than longer esterfied nandrolone. For one thing, you're a pin cushion when you're using NPP as you have to inject it multiple times a week. Not to mention those shorter esters are painful.
Sure, it will give you leaner gains, but you're going to drop that water weight from nandrolone deconate once you come off it. If you wanted a lean gain cycle and didn't mind being a pin cushion, you could stack NPP with test propionate and inject them together (both of these esters are quite painful at the injection site, I might add, and the pain lasts for several days). Throw in Winstrol (which, for some reason, is no longer an in vogue drug but is quite a potent lean muscle builder as it is a DHT derivative, and blocks the progesterone receptor which nandrolone is known to activate) and you'd have a very lean mass cycle that wouldn't add much size but the strength gains and lean mass would stick.
I think the longer esters are just fine and weekly injections are just more convenient than the shorter esters you have to inject multiple times throughout the week.
Yeah, I don't know why it's popularity went away. I think people like more potent stuff like Superdrol more than Winny and it's also a bit pricey, but you really only need 25mg a day. I think the joint thing wouldn't be a problem if you ran Winny with Deca since Deca is lubing the joints. You would only want to run it for 6 weeks though since it is a methylated compound.weird you should mention winny, I know for some the joints would hurt but I never found that (always ran peptides with it) but it’s a good strength and lean size oral like you say. Strange how no one runs it anymore really
I have never used either. BUT I would say I hear most start out with nandrolones around 3-400mg/wk. Because your blend is more of the decanoate ester-bound, it has less actual nandrolone per 300mg than straight NPP would (shorter esters mean more active mg). The same as you get a bit more test in your system by using prop instead of cypionate ester. So that would push me towards using 400mg (1.33 cc/ml per week), assuming you are comfy using 3-400mg test/wk also. You are going to want to take shots every 3rd day due to the NPP though. Maybe twice per week could be gotten away with - you would have to experiment and see if you felt like levels were fluctuating too much.Hindsight is always 20/20. But I got a smoking good deal on 30 ampules of a 300mg blend of (100 NPP/200 Deca). This cycle is a ways away and this question ties in to the OP's question. What's a good starting dose? Could I get away with 2 x a week pinning?
I have never used either. BUT I would say I hear most start out with nandrolones around 3-400mg/wk. Because your blend is more of the decanoate ester-bound, it has less actual nandrolone per 300mg than straight NPP would (shorter esters mean more active mg). .........
I’ve never tried winstrol and I didn’t know it blocked progesterone receptorsThrow in Winstrol (which, for some reason, is no longer an in vogue drug but is quite a potent lean muscle builder as it is a DHT derivative, and blocks the progesterone receptor which nandrolone is known to activate) and you'd have a very lean mass cycle that wouldn't add much size but the strength gains and lean mass would stick.
Honestly brother, on a Deca cycle, I'd have Caber on standby (and of course have an AI).I’ve never tried winstrol and I didn’t know it blocked progesterone receptors
do you know of any other DHT compounds that block the progesterone receptors?
I have epiandro on hand and I was thinking about stacking it with my test/deca cycle.
You think epiandro would be a good idea since it’s dht?
I already have cabar and AI and I’m also on TRTHonestly brother, on a Deca cycle, I'd have Caber on standby (and of course have an AI).
It is possible that Winny would help a little, but you definitely can't count on it.
For my first deca run I did 200mg and I did see some nice lean gainsI wouldn’t do anymore than 300mg especially first run. I did 150mg of underdosed deca and put on tons of size and mass and this was after 12 years of training. 600mg is a really high dose for the beginners. 600mg is probably the most anyone should use no matter their experience. Not to mention the effects on cardiac tissue it’s associated with.
Id be inclined to dose 1.5ml per week. Two pins per week is pushing it a little, 3 would be ideal I think. Ive pinned NPP, and deca, everyday, e2d, e3d, etc, and cant say Ive noticed any difference to be honest. But 3x would be a safer bet than 2x in terms of reducing potential sides.Hindsight is always 20/20. But I got a smoking good deal on 30 ampules of a 300mg blend of (100 NPP/200 Deca). This cycle is a ways away and this question ties in to the OP's question. What's a good starting dose? Could I get away with 2 x a week pinning?
I research NPP long time ago and found no mention about PIP. I just hope it to be milder than test prop.In theory, NPP and test prop would be ideal, but like I mentioned, the real world issue of pinning so often and the pain from these esters just make it and unpleasant combination to run.
That sounds good... .5 mL mon/wed/fri. And I'll just split up my test cyp to 200 mg each day too. That'll put my ratio of test/nandralone to 600mg/450mg per week. I've never taken a nandralone before and I'm not real sure how to take caber. Ive heard that keeping you estrogen under control is the biggest part of it, which I feel pretty confident doing... but never had to control progesterone.Id be inclined to dose 1.5ml per week. Two pins per week is pushing it a little, 3 would be ideal I think. Ive pinned NPP, and deca, everyday, e2d, e3d, etc, and cant say Ive noticed any difference to be honest. But 3x would be a safer bet than 2x in terms of reducing potential sides.
when you start lactating from the nips it’s time for caberThat sounds good... .5 mL mon/wed/fri. And I'll just split up my test cyp to 200 mg each day too. That'll put my ratio of test/nandralone to 600mg/450mg per week. I've never taken a nandralone before and I'm not real sure how to take caber. Ive heard that keeping you estrogen under control is the biggest part of it, which I feel pretty confident doing... but never had to control progesterone.
Caber covers you for about 5 days per dose. 0.25mg every 4 days is where to start ideally, although if you have tiny 1mg tabs like me you will have to use more because you won’t be able to split them smaller. I do 0.5mg e6d currently on 400mg dien e.That sounds good... .5 mL mon/wed/fri. And I'll just split up my test cyp to 200 mg each day too. That'll put my ratio of test/nandralone to 600mg/450mg per week. I've never taken a nandralone before and I'm not real sure how to take caber. Ive heard that keeping you estrogen under control is the biggest part of it, which I feel pretty confident doing... but never had to control progesterone.
Lol OP please know this is a joke and you definitely want to use it before lactation. Once the glad forms it will be much easier to aggravate again than if you don’t wait until you are able to squeeze out any clear fluid. Speaking directly from experience.when you start lactating from the nips it’s time for caber
haha, yeah to confirm I was joking OP......lactation is a little late in the day.Caber covers you for about 5 days per dose. 0.25mg every 4 days is where to start ideally, although if you have tiny 1mg tabs like me you will have to use more because you won’t be able to split them smaller. I do 0.5mg e6d currently on 400mg dien e.
Lol OP please know this is a joke and you definitely want to use it before lactation. Once the glad forms it will be much easier to aggravate again than if you don’t wait until you are able to squeeze out any clear fluid. Speaking directly from experience.
If you are using enough AI and still getting swelling/size increase that P5P isn’t stopping, you need to take it. You also need to take it if you are struggling to cum/orgasm (assuming you would like to do so).
20 x (1mg) caber tablets ordered and on the way... But of course I started browsing and ordered a whole bunch more **** too. I'm worse than a 5 year old in the check out line at the supermarket.Caber covers you for about 5 days per dose. 0.25mg every 4 days is where to start ideally, although if you have tiny 1mg tabs like me you will have to use more because you won’t be able to split them smaller. I do 0.5mg e6d currently on 400mg dien e.
Lol OP please know this is a joke and you definitely want to use it before lactation. Once the glad forms it will be much easier to aggravate again than if you don’t wait until you are able to squeeze out any clear fluid. Speaking directly from experience.
If you are using enough AI and still getting swelling/size increase that P5P isn’t stopping, you need to take it. You also need to take it if you are struggling to cum/orgasm (assuming you would like to do so).
Have you ever used 1-test? It can have some bite based on the handful of shots I took. You will want to break up the welts with some tissue work if you get deposits at the oil depot site.20 x (1mg) caber tablets ordered and on the way... But of course I started browsing and ordered a whole bunch more **** too. I'm worse than a 5 year old in the check out line at the supermarket.
I ordered 40 mL of dihydroboldenone too. Wtf is wrong with me? I've got a problem.
No... I've never even heard of it before yesterday. But it looked intriguing and so I bought some. Might've gotten a lil carried away. I just started a thread asking for experiences and advice on it.Have you ever used 1-test? It can have some bite based on the handful of shots I took. You will want to break up the welts with some tissue work if you get deposits at the oil depot site.
The PIP from NPP is definitely there. All short esters are a pain in the ass, literally.I research NPP long time ago and found no mention about PIP. I just hope it to be milder than test prop.
Progesterone can't cause gyno without estrogen being present. So, just a simple SERM like 10-20mg of Nolva would work fine as preventative measure.when you start lactating from the nips it’s time for caber
Not that I know of.I’ve never tried winstrol and I didn’t know it blocked progesterone receptors do you know of any other DHT compounds that block the progesterone receptors?
i was kinda joking about waiting for the lactation bro......The PIP from NPP is definitely there. All short esters are a pain in the ass, literally.
Progesterone can't cause gyno without estrogen being present. So, just a simple SERM like 10-20mg of Nolva would work fine as preventative measure.
Also, like I mentioned, Winny blocks the progesterone receptor.
I know this sounds great on paper, I wanted to believe it. But you are wrong. Nolva or another SERM, or DHT, will help. Definitely. But I am living breathing currently using proof that’s just not the ticket.Progesterone can't cause gyno without estrogen being present. So, just a simple SERM like 10-20mg of Nolva would work fine as preventative measure.
The PIP from NPP is definitely there. All short esters are a pain in the ass, literally.
The only short ester that has given me issues is bold cyp. Cyp is typically not considered a short ester, but relative to bolds usual ester undec it is I guess.I research NPP long time ago and found no mention about PIP. I just hope it to be milder than test prop.
Can you link the study? Is it really worth supplementing?So, new MPMD video: study (in vitro lol) "shows" supplementing vit d3 whilst running a course of nandrolone decanoate will improve its safety profile (reduce adrogenic activity in prostate) AND increase muscle cell proliferation or something or other.
I only found an abstract, and I only watched 15mins of Dereks vid. Keep in mind this was an in vitro study, so no practical doses were used; the researchers may have made some recommendations in the study text but it wasnt in the abstract.Can you link the study? Is it really worth supplementing?
i supplement with them both anyway so it was handy to hear that’s probably got that added benefitI only found an abstract, and I only watched 15mins of Dereks vid. Keep in mind this was an in vitro study, so no practical doses were used; the researchers may have made some recommendations in the study text but it wasnt in the abstract.
Vit d3 (and K2) is potentially beneficial for other reasons so there could be an argument made for "you should be supplementing with it anyway", so I mean any other possible benefits in conjunction with AAS use would be a convenient coincidence.
I got gyno when I was 18 from taking a DHEA and herbal testosterone boosting supplement, so I know how awful it feels.I know this sounds great on paper, I wanted to believe it. But you are wrong. Nolva or another SERM, or DHT, will help. Definitely. But I am living breathing currently using proof that’s just not the ticket.
Maybe to create the gland initially, that I can buy. Because my right nipple doesn’t have any kind of prolactin sensitivity like the left, which has a gland from Mk677 years ago when they pushed all that **** out and nobody talked about it’s effects on prolactin then.
Anyway, specifically the left glad begins to swell obviously when the caber wears off. This on 60mg Ralox nightly and 22mg exemestane split twice a week with only 200 test e/wk. So estrogen is more than managed and blocked. Dienelone acting on the PR and raising prolactin is the only remaining means to aggravate that gyno.
If you have the abstract and want me to pull up the full study, just give me a Pubmed link or whatever and I'll find it. Or you could find it!I only found an abstract,
Actually, I got gyno from being pretty fat when I went through puberty at only 10 years old. Then later on herbal junk like tribulus & eventually cycling designer steroids and PCT, even with AI & SERM use, that’s still a learning curve. Plus bodyfat going back up some as I pursued strength.I got gyno when I was 18 from taking a DHEA and herbal testosterone boosting supplement, so I know how awful it feels.
Did you get gyno from nandrolone? If so, I appreciate the information.
50 mg/ml tren ace at least up to 0.5ml per shot that i used is completely painless, but it only contains 2% BA as far as solvents go.The PIP from NPP is definitely there. All short esters are a pain in the ass, literally.
Progesterone can't cause gyno without estrogen being present. So, just a simple SERM like 10-20mg of Nolva would work fine as preventative measure.
Also, like I mentioned, Winny blocks the progesterone receptor.
Thread starter | Similar threads | Forum | Replies | Date |
---|---|---|---|---|
This is my fist cycle never done this before curious about how long to wait to inject | Anabolics | 5 | ||
So pumped for my fist show | Bodybuilding Contest Preperation | 2 | ||
Fist Cycle Advice | Anabolics | 19 | ||
DMZ Fist cycle/PCT help | Post Cycle Therapy | 29 | ||
Fist time cycling. | Anabolics | 12 |