First time user needs input

hellslayer

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I am about to begin my first cycle. I am 23 years old, I have been lifting since I was 13. Not religiously the entire time, I took 6 months off here and there, but I have been going pretty much non stop since January 2005. I am currently 232 pounds with 17% bodyfat. I bench press 385 pounds, 17.5" arms, 37" waist, 50" chest. I have sustan 250 vials, dianabol orals, anavar orals, and novalex orals. I know the orals are hard on the liver, I have purchased "liver longer" and I have my milk thistle with 80% silymarin, omega 3 fatty acids, a high potency multi-vitamin/multi-mineral, and the regular supplements. I take aim for 30 grams of whey isolate every three hours, but after I workout I take 50 grams. It's hard to get the 30 grams every 3 hours, I bring a zip lock bag to work with me almost every day. I'm looking for some advice/input from you guys. Is there anything else that I will need? How should I do my cycle. I'm looking at 8 weeks of it. What type of gains should I expect? I'm mainly wanting strength gains, but if I get bigger that's definately not a problem. I know my bodyfat is high, and I will work on that furiously after the cycle. I used to weigh 300 pounds so **** i'm making progress. Okay guys, any input you can give me would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
Have you taken any time of prohormone or steroids cycle in the past?if so how many and what were they? and by novalex do you mean nolvadex? heres what i would do for you. I would run the sustan with the dbol. anavar is more so used for cutting, and if you have not ever used gear before i would make it simple. I would run a cycle like this.

weeks 1-10 sustan 500mg/ a week
weeks 1-6 dianabol 30 mg/ a day
i wouldnt run the dbol any longer than that due to its harsh liver toxicity. Your sustan doses should be split up into 2 different shots such as on a monday and a thursday....sustan is kind of a tricky test because 3 of its esters are notably shorter than enanthate or cypionate so more of it is actual testosterone and less ester, eventhough the distribution is uneven. Some people do just 1 injection once a week but i would do 2. I would say if you had a really clean diet as you should if you are thinking about using gear that with this cycle you could expect around 20 lbs of muscle gain/ give or take of course its all up to you and your dedication
 
sustanon needs to be run for longer than 8 weeks my friend, so i hope youve got enough for a bit longer than that.

sustanon really needs to be run long term to see its true colors, there simply isnt enough short estered testosterone in it to use it mainly as a short estered test, if you catch my meaning.

at the very least go for 10 weeks, and at the very least make it two injections a week. 500mgs a week is a good starting point.

thats just 2 injections a week. you really wont see dramatic strength gains with test, so id throw in either dbol in the beginning, or var at the end of the cycle.

pct starts 2-3 weeks after the last sust injection
 
Thank you both for helping me out. I will heed both of your advice. jomi, based on your avatar whatever your doing is obvoiously working...i understand about the sustanol needing to be longer. Can you tell me how much to take, when to take (as in days of the week, once a week, twice a week, whatever) and all that noise. I'll get the 10 week supply if you say that's the way to go. To the guy that first replied to me, i'm not sure how the novla is spelt but it's the real deal, the SERM or whatever they call it to block the estrogen receptors. I'll take your advice as well with only going six weeks of oral dianabol. To the both of you, Is it okay to shoot the sust 250 and eat the dianabol? I see what you mean about the anavar being more of a "cutting"...when I bought it I seen that it was good for strength gains so I jumped right on it. That's awesome that i could get gains like you described...my effort, discipline, and intensity will be beyond reproach. I will go all out. I already go all out i'm just sick and tired of seeing guys that use the gear going from a nobody to either being on my level or above me within a year and a half. Now it's time for me to be the boss. I know you both understand. Okay I know i'm ranting, just please tell me how much sust to take and the frequency, and I'll get the stuff. Also what else do I need for PCT? Thanks again, you are helping out a dedicated bodybuilder/powerlifter and I appreciate it.

jomi822 said:
sustanon needs to be run for longer than 8 weeks my friend, so i hope youve got enough for a bit longer than that.

sustanon really needs to be run long term to see its true colors, there simply isnt enough short estered testosterone in it to use it mainly as a short estered test, if you catch my meaning.

at the very least go for 10 weeks, and at the very least make it two injections a week. 500mgs a week is a good starting point.

thats just 2 injections a week. you really wont see dramatic strength gains with test, so id throw in either dbol in the beginning, or var at the end of the cycle.

post cycle therapy starts 2-3 weeks after the last sust injection
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jrob, no i have never taken steroids. the closed thing would be finigenx magnum which supposedly has trembelone in it or whatever...i noticed some decent gains...nothing to be excited about though. sorry i asked some of the same questions you answered for me in my last post two seconds ago. would you recommend throwing in the anavar when the 6 weeks of dbol is out and i still got 4 weeks left on the sust? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to get this thing right.
 
id start out with sustanon at 750mg a week for this guy.

start out with dbol @ 30-40mg for the first 4-6 weeks.

get some halotestin if strength is what your looking for. Its harsh tho so you have to becareful with the doses.
 
piston pump, are you saying start at the 750mg a week because i've been lifting so long or my measurements or whatever? joni what do you think? gotcha on the dbol 30-40mg for the first 4-6 weeks. i'll remember the name halotestin...but i'll hold off on getting it for now until i finish and cycle off the stuff i already had. okay thanks for the input boss.
 
Yeah i was refering to your experience lifting and size, 500mg didnt feel like much for me with supposedly overdosed gear but, you could still grow off the 500mg AND the dbol.

I just heard from someone else on another thread about SSRIs like zoloft and SERMs like nolva interacting. Look for it in a thread called "Antidepressants"
 
since you have run an androgen before im giong to agree with piston and say you should probably go with 750mgs a week. it will also make dosing the sustanon easier. however if you are strapped for cash or cant obtain more sust easily, 500 will do.

if you can get more sust for 750mgs a week dose like this-
Mon- 250mgs
Tuesday- no injection
Wednesday- 250mgs
Thursday- no injection
Friday 250mgs
Sat-no injection
sun- no injection

if you want to use 500mgs a week for 10 weeks-
Monday- 2/3cc (166.666666 mgs)
Tuesday-
Wednesday-2/3cc
Thursday-
Friday- 2/3cc
Saturday-
Sunday-

those 3 injections give you a total of 500mgs for the week. you really need to split it up like that or the fluctuation from the prop ester will be excessive.
 
Okay guys sounds awesome, I'll follow your directions exactly. I'll come up on some more sust, shouldn't be a problem. I'll start with the 500 and the dbol if i start getting good gains in the first three weeks i'll leave it there, if not i'll juice it up to 750. thanks for all the guidance guys, i'll come back and let you know how i did. I appreciate everything
 
good sh1t man.

another thing, you might want to check the results after you finish the dbol and go on sust only, then you will see if 500mg is enough. the dbol will do its part.
 
piston pump, jrob, and the other guy that helped me out: I got one more question. All I could get was sust 300. I will have two weeks of sust 250 and 10 weeks of sust 300. is it cool to just transfer to sust 300? that's all i could get i'm a$$ed out on the 250. 300 is a higher number so obviously it's stronger but obviosly it's gonna have more sides. just let me know if it's cool. I'm going to start my cycle on monday, I will attack the weights with insane intensitity.
 
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