OK guys the stay at home stir crazy has hit, so I figured I'd start up a discussion. I'm getting closer to considering running my first cycle. My main focus is strength and size is a welcome side effect of whatever I take. There's quite a few compounds I've studied and gotten some firsthand advice on what would be best. I'm gonna post up some of these *roughly* in order of highest to lowest likelihood and a little bit of what I'm thinking about each. Any advice and/or firsthand experience is very welcome.
1.) Anavar, obviously a slam dunk for a mild first cycle and great for strength. Cons are expensive and difficult to source and often counterfeited with winny which I don't wanna risk the joint/tendon issues. If I could find a legit source this would be probably my top choice. (This is not any form of attempting to source just a statement).
2.) Pmag/Mecha, from everything I've read these are almost the same as halodrol in sides but a little more androgenic and seem to be slightly more associated with strength. Sources aren't uncommon and its reasonably affordable. Halodrol could be substituted.
3.) The Andros,1,4,epi. Low in sides but also limited in results compared to a one step precursor or straight hormone. The big downside however is the cost to dose properly and the only real upside over any of these is the real legality it seems. There's some big fans of epiandro on here so if I ran any it would likely be that. Also some reasonably priced Epi's from board sponsors.
4.) Msten, obviously a very strong compound but generally regarded as a lower side effect steroid of its strength level. One of my mentors suggested this at a low dose (starting at 12mg or so and for 4 weeks) because other than liver toxicity the rest of the sides are easily manageable at low dose. The semi-legal status makes sourcing high quality and properly dosed msten easy compared to others. Not my first choice but also not my last choice.
5.) Mdiaz, seems to be compared to anavar a lot but firsthand accounts are very all over the place in terms of results. Some love it some hate it just like hexadrone from everything I can find.
I'm sure there's a few big ones people will mention for strength, anadrol, dbol, or dmz, but I'd prefer to stick with a drier compound and have less weight yoyo-ing. For dry compounds Epi seems promising but the joint issues seem very prevalant which is a downside. Any suggestions or firsthand experiences are welcome and I'm not set on any of these in concrete or planning on this in the immediate future with the COVID shutdowns in effect. Obviously a full PCT will be acquired and cycle support supplements for liver and blood pressure and what not. I'm temporarily ruling out sarms because of the unknown long term effects and the fact that the sides seem on par with a lot of c17aa steroids.
1.) Anavar, obviously a slam dunk for a mild first cycle and great for strength. Cons are expensive and difficult to source and often counterfeited with winny which I don't wanna risk the joint/tendon issues. If I could find a legit source this would be probably my top choice. (This is not any form of attempting to source just a statement).
2.) Pmag/Mecha, from everything I've read these are almost the same as halodrol in sides but a little more androgenic and seem to be slightly more associated with strength. Sources aren't uncommon and its reasonably affordable. Halodrol could be substituted.
3.) The Andros,1,4,epi. Low in sides but also limited in results compared to a one step precursor or straight hormone. The big downside however is the cost to dose properly and the only real upside over any of these is the real legality it seems. There's some big fans of epiandro on here so if I ran any it would likely be that. Also some reasonably priced Epi's from board sponsors.
4.) Msten, obviously a very strong compound but generally regarded as a lower side effect steroid of its strength level. One of my mentors suggested this at a low dose (starting at 12mg or so and for 4 weeks) because other than liver toxicity the rest of the sides are easily manageable at low dose. The semi-legal status makes sourcing high quality and properly dosed msten easy compared to others. Not my first choice but also not my last choice.
5.) Mdiaz, seems to be compared to anavar a lot but firsthand accounts are very all over the place in terms of results. Some love it some hate it just like hexadrone from everything I can find.
I'm sure there's a few big ones people will mention for strength, anadrol, dbol, or dmz, but I'd prefer to stick with a drier compound and have less weight yoyo-ing. For dry compounds Epi seems promising but the joint issues seem very prevalant which is a downside. Any suggestions or firsthand experiences are welcome and I'm not set on any of these in concrete or planning on this in the immediate future with the COVID shutdowns in effect. Obviously a full PCT will be acquired and cycle support supplements for liver and blood pressure and what not. I'm temporarily ruling out sarms because of the unknown long term effects and the fact that the sides seem on par with a lot of c17aa steroids.