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first PH cycle: TRENAVAR

ray0

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Thinking about starting my first PH cycle soon and I was hoping for some feedback. Obviously I'm a newbie and got a lot to learn but I'm been doing a lot of research to make this as safe as possible.

im 29 181lbs @15% BF. I would like to gain some muscle while dropping to at least 12-13 BF

Im planning on doing a 4 week cycle.
Tren attack or celtic labs 30/60/90/90
blockade cycle support or n2guard
multi v
fish oil
creatine
protein
taurine

pct
nolva 40/20/20/20
pct 3x by vital labs
n2guard
test powder

Is this a good plan? you guys have any suggestions? I'm looking to do a recomp. should i eat at maintenance?

i know ill probably get flamed for this but is a SERM an absolute must on such a short cycle?

Im also taking minocycline (antibiotic) daily for acne and mirtazapine to help me sleep. is it safe to take on cycle?

TIA
 
Couple of things:

I wouldn't go for a tren only cycle. Stacking it with epi would be better in my opinion.

Secondly, tren should be run atleast 6 weeks, 4 is too short.

Third: for a first cycle I would look into something like epi solo. Epi would fit your goals.

Fourth: if you would go for tren, most would suggest to take clomid for pct. Nolva seems to be a poor choice for 19nor ph's.

Hope this helps a bit.

Look into epi. Olympus labs has Ep15tane. ...big bang for your buck. Nice 20% off sale going on at orbit. ( we also have tr3n, but again I don't think running that solo and as your first cycle is wise)

Other options beside Olympus labs: ironflex, lgi, celtic: all legit;)

Feel free to ask.
 
sorry for hijacking but why not use nolva after 19nor´s ?

OP:
do not use tren - as a first user you cannot calculate the risks and certainly not distinguish between what is "normal" while being on cycle and what are serious sides .
look ito halo/epi/dmz(?) etc . not: SD;M1T; tren
 
bomb said:
sorry for hijacking but why not use nolva after 19nor´s ?

OP:
do not use tren - as a first user you cannot calculate the risks and certainly not distinguish between what is "normal" while being on cycle and what are serious sides .
look ito halo/epi/dmz(?) etc . not: SD;M1T; tren
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Have to look it up. But is commonly spread around the board. Ofcourse not everyone agrees.
 
edje007 said:
Man...opinions seem to be all over the place.

Forget my comment about nolva....some say ok, some say don't.
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So I will add mine!! I am currently using Nolva for Tren PCT. Already had it purchased and ready, prior to reading that it was regarded as a poor choice for Tren. All I can say is, so far so good. Nothing is 100% consistent when it comes to chemicals, there are always risks for bad reactions. Everybody's chemistry is different.

Grab some Inhibit P for prolactin control on cycle if you go with the Tren, and Sup3r PCT has mucuna pruriens for prolactin control during PCT. Read about Tren and prolactin related gyno.
 
bomb said:
sorry for hijacking but why not use nolva after 19nor´s ?

OP:
do not use tren - as a first user you cannot calculate the risks and certainly not distinguish between what is "normal" while being on cycle and what are serious sides .
look ito halo/epi/dmz(?) etc . not: SD;M1T; tren
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Also must agree with Bomb, Tren is a pretty harsh first run. It was my 2nd, and full of sides. Of course I'd done my research and was as prepared as I could be I guess. My first cycle was Methylstenbolone and Test-E, also not a recommended first cycle, but it went very smooth with only some night sweats to complain about.
 
you will grow with a solo epi or halo run

no need to run the tren yet

remember getting the greatest results with the least amount of gear is the whole idea

i would run Ironflex HaloX @50-75mg ED 6 weeks
or
Olympus Labs Ep15tane @30-45mg ED 6 weeks

and just run the on cycle support and pct you already have planned
 
Thank you guys for all your help. This is why I like going on this forum. Looks like Epi it is. Would 4 weeks at 30/40/40/40 suffice or just go for the whole 6 weeks? the reason i ask is because start school in 5 wks and wouldn't have that much time to workout. i would like to dedicate as much time in the gym on cycle as possible.

would it be ok to take a low dose antibiotic on cycle? i use it to control acne. also what about mirtazapine? i use it for insomnia but I've also found that it can be used as cortisol control.
 
ray0 said:
Thank you guys for all your help. This is why I like going on this forum. Looks like Epi it is. Would 4 weeks at 30/40/40/40 suffice or just go for the whole 6 weeks? the reason i ask is because start school in 5 wks and wouldn't have that much time to workout. i would like to dedicate as much time in the gym on cycle as possible.

would it be ok to take a low dose antibiotic on cycle? i use it to control acne. also what about mirtazapine? i use it for insomnia but I've also found that it can be used as cortisol control.
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6 weeks is gonna be best
 
ok epi it is @ 30/45/45/45/45/45

u guys heard of dpi 150 from gene tech pharma labs? its the only dpi available locally and would like to start this monday.
 
ray0 said:
ok epi it is @ 30/45/45/45/45/45

u guys heard of dpi 150 from gene tech pharma labs? its the only dpi available locally and would like to start this monday.
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Gene tech pharma sucks. I wouldn't buy it. Their hdrol clone halo 350 was bunk.
 
Im about to start a tren cycle myself. def do it for 6 weeks. start at 60mg and increase to 90mg. also, clomid is a better serm for tren. add inhibit p to during your cycle to help prevent gyno. IF you go with a Tren cycle. For my first cycle i solo ran EPI at 30/30/30/40/50 and had some good results. added about 8lbs even after PCT. Good option for first cycle.
 
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