First Gear Aided Bulk. Input Please...

Canadian Bacon

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Hey guys I know I don't have a ton of posts and that is mostly because I have been able to search and find answers for my questions. However, I would like some opinions on the bulk cycle I have been figuring. Please no flames just constructive comments! :)

Stats:
23
6'4"
240lbs
Dedicated Work outs for the last 2 years
BF% 12-15
Clean Diet

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 30mg ED
Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg/week
Weeks 1-12 Deca 400mg/week

Nolvadex 12-16 40mg ED

I think that is pretty much a standard bulk cycle. Just more or less want input on dosages and length or if any improvements could be made. This is my first cycle with test. I have had a good 3 week superdrol cycle and one 6 week cycle of winnie. Both worked really well for me. I know neither were optimal but live and learn. Time to stop messing around and start pinning.

Thanks in advance.
 
Canadian Bacon said:
Should still run the nolva for 4 weeks???
so 14-18??
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Sounds great! You could always end with prop which would keep your levels from crashing because ull probly be feeling like ass around the 1st week you havnt pinned since levels will be declining. This way if you go with prop you can start PCT the day after you stop pinning and get back to normal.
 
Extend the test out longer than the Deca.

Test 1-12
Deca 1-10
post cycle therapy 14-17

The decanoate ester has a longer half life than the enanthate
plus nandralone shuts you down very hard. Better to give more time for it to clear for a smoother, more pleasant recovery.

Dbol dose may be a bit on the low side for your weight.
 
agreed. nandralone takes 3 weeks to reach insubtantial levels in your system. test E and test C take about 2.

stop the deca at week 11
stop the test E at week 12

and then start pct at week 14
 
awesome info guys. You think I should take 40mg dbol??? Also if I were to pin Prop, it would just be the last week? or would it be phased in the last 3 weeks?? About 50mg/day??
 
you may want to taper your nolva use too. start higher, taper lower. Do like a 40-40-20-10
 
Thanks yah I was thinking about tapering the nolva too. When I pin the Deca and the Test, is it a bad idea to pin on the same day??
 
just use one compound for your first cycle .. otherwise its impossible to know which drug to attribute which sides and what part of the gains to

500mg test e or cyp for 12 weeks .. diet and training are far more important
 
I like your cycle, test only cycles are awesome as well but i wish i had of done a first cycle like you have planned out here.
 
CHAPS said:
I like your cycle, test only cycles are awesome as well but i wish i had of done a first cycle like you have planned out here.
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Sorry glen i know you like to stress test only cycles for the first timer but im with CHAPS on this one...It may have its effects on later cycle doses,tolerances or what not but if one does their research and knows how to battle sides and what not then there is no other reason for not adding something else in the cycle. JMO. That doesnt mean more gear is better or that it makes up for lack of diet and training but...I want to be like saluu! lol nah but I have heard the gains for some on test only cycles were not that impressive or worth it. Could be those individuals had bad diet or training or maybe everything was on point and the test only cycle wasnt enough. I think Test only cycles are good and im not knocking them at all but i decided its not what i want to do. Im sorry everyone for the rambling im tired and fcuking hungry!:afro:
 
Ok guys sorry some more newbie questions. I got my stuff. Just wondering the best way to break up the doses. Can I just do one shot a week of the deca and test?? Can i put them in the same pin?? Or should I do twice a week injections?? Is there any benefits to either??

Thanks
 
I don't think anyone has ever brought that up before. Good question. I will research it and get back to you.:rolleyes:
 
lol i was going to say wtf are you talking about bpmartyr but then i saw the smiley....

you keep the compounds at a more constant level with 2x week injections. once a week tends to cause the compound in your body to slightly drop off before the next injection. The theory is you get more sides when doing so. I have read something of that nature on THIS BOARD numerous times.
 
Canadian Bacon said:
Ok guys sorry some more newbie questions. I got my stuff. Just wondering the best way to break up the doses. Can I just do one shot a week of the deca and test?? Can i put them in the same pin?? Or should I do twice a week injections?? Is there any benefits to either??

Thanks
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You CAN do one shot a week, but i believe you are better served doing at least 2. You can put them together in one pin-250test/200 deca twice a week. Also at one shot a week, depending on the concentration, I'm guessing your looking at at least 4 mls/shot. You'll be sticking yourself twice anyway. edit-sorry, somehow missed pistons post above me. What he said.:)

I also agree on a test only cycle for the first one. At your size 500mg of test /week is going to give you some noticeable gains, but is going to give you a great reference point as far as how well your body tolerates things, what sides you get from what compund, and what you respond to and don't. For example, deca isn't great for me, but dbol is. If I hadn't run them separately, I'd still be wasting my money on something(deca) my body doesn't respond to that well. Good Luck.
 
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