HereToStudy
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...and the before bed/in morning difference doesnt matter IMO.
first dose of androlean
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...and the before bed/in morning difference doesnt matter IMO.
BigBlackGuy
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This. Toremifene Citrate has a 5 day half life. So yah, intra-day dosing is hardly necessary to worry about.
pillsRgood
Active member
nice, thanks guys!
Final day of Lean, PCT starts tonight (first dose of Torem)...My adventure is coming to a close :sad3: Ill post up final review plus final pics tonight...
pillsRgood
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Today was it. My journey with Androlean officially ended today. My journey back into the darkside (test E) ended 2 weeks ago and now the hard part begins. PCT and working my ass off to keep all I can.
FINAL REVIEW
So the here are my thoughts on this new product;
I made the decision to take Androlean because I wanted something to take at the end of my Test E cycle. I had gone back and forth on taking winny, anavar, hdrol or epistane and really couldn’t bring myself to putting my liver and body into a more volatile state. Around the time I was contemplating this big choice, PP pre released their andro series and I must say I was pumped!
Upon the first dose of Androlean I felt the effects of the thermo properties and sweated like a pig from then till now. My core temp seemed to fluctuate much higher than normal while I was dosing this product, this I can no doubt attribute to the Lean. I know some haters are going to say that the Test E was more of an x factor than the lean, but I, however know the difference between the 10 weeks prior to the Lean and the 4 weeks while I was on it. Also, use of ECA seemed to def. magnify the effects of the Lean. just a little FYI...:147:
Pump wise, it went from solid while only on test, to freaking insane while on the lean. Several times I caught girls and guys in the gym and in the bars giving the wow faces. This is a huge ego boost for sure! :veryhappy: Even while I was waiting the 2 weeks post test e, pre pct, the pumps and lifts did not go down at all. This was a very positive thing for me and was the reason why I chose this product to begin with.
Stamina wise, I found the Androlean to be very good when I wasn’t on the Test E, but when I was also on the Test...well, lemme tell you, it was freaking insane! I had to drag my ass out of the gym every time, before I totally over did it...It was fun!
Sides were not a problem. i had a bit of acid reflex from the bitterness of the Grapefruit properties and had some aggression/attitude issues, things seemed to piss me off a lot quicker. Other than that I didnt have problems...
Again I must mention that I was on Test E, and this would most def. skew the results compared to some that are running this product alone. For me however this product was a major success and it did exactly what I wanted it to. I leaned up a bit towards the end of my cycle, saved my liver from undue stress and had something to get me through to PCT....
So for those of you who are lazy like me and choose not to read all this, here is a points breakdown of the lean.
The scores for Androlean alone is a guess, my opinion of the product is based on it Stacked with Test E.
Thermo properties-8 alone, 9 with Test E
Stamina- 8 alone, 9 with Test E
Pumps- 8 alone, 9 with Test E
Sides- 9
Androlean alone- 8.5
Androlean w Test E- 9
P.S. in my book Methyls are 6-7 range because the sides are always too much for me to handle..
I wanted to upload a final pic, but for some reason the site isnt allowing it, I will post up the final pic ASAP, but untill then, here is week 1 and a pic from last wed, week 13. Its pretty close to how I look now, minus a tinywater weight...
FINAL REVIEW
So the here are my thoughts on this new product;
I made the decision to take Androlean because I wanted something to take at the end of my Test E cycle. I had gone back and forth on taking winny, anavar, hdrol or epistane and really couldn’t bring myself to putting my liver and body into a more volatile state. Around the time I was contemplating this big choice, PP pre released their andro series and I must say I was pumped!
Upon the first dose of Androlean I felt the effects of the thermo properties and sweated like a pig from then till now. My core temp seemed to fluctuate much higher than normal while I was dosing this product, this I can no doubt attribute to the Lean. I know some haters are going to say that the Test E was more of an x factor than the lean, but I, however know the difference between the 10 weeks prior to the Lean and the 4 weeks while I was on it. Also, use of ECA seemed to def. magnify the effects of the Lean. just a little FYI...:147:
Pump wise, it went from solid while only on test, to freaking insane while on the lean. Several times I caught girls and guys in the gym and in the bars giving the wow faces. This is a huge ego boost for sure! :veryhappy: Even while I was waiting the 2 weeks post test e, pre pct, the pumps and lifts did not go down at all. This was a very positive thing for me and was the reason why I chose this product to begin with.
Stamina wise, I found the Androlean to be very good when I wasn’t on the Test E, but when I was also on the Test...well, lemme tell you, it was freaking insane! I had to drag my ass out of the gym every time, before I totally over did it...It was fun!
Sides were not a problem. i had a bit of acid reflex from the bitterness of the Grapefruit properties and had some aggression/attitude issues, things seemed to piss me off a lot quicker. Other than that I didnt have problems...
Again I must mention that I was on Test E, and this would most def. skew the results compared to some that are running this product alone. For me however this product was a major success and it did exactly what I wanted it to. I leaned up a bit towards the end of my cycle, saved my liver from undue stress and had something to get me through to PCT....
So for those of you who are lazy like me and choose not to read all this, here is a points breakdown of the lean.
The scores for Androlean alone is a guess, my opinion of the product is based on it Stacked with Test E.
Thermo properties-8 alone, 9 with Test E
Stamina- 8 alone, 9 with Test E
Pumps- 8 alone, 9 with Test E
Sides- 9
Androlean alone- 8.5
Androlean w Test E- 9
P.S. in my book Methyls are 6-7 range because the sides are always too much for me to handle..
I wanted to upload a final pic, but for some reason the site isnt allowing it, I will post up the final pic ASAP, but untill then, here is week 1 and a pic from last wed, week 13. Its pretty close to how I look now, minus a tinywater weight...
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HereToStudy
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The words out of my mouth...
rulk22
Well-known member
x3 from me.
Oldnsweaty
Member
Thanks for logging it and the honest review pillsRgood.
pillsRgood
Active member
I would like to run mass as a kick start to my next cycle, which is set for october, then either lean or hard as a finisher...Hopefully the price drops a bit...
pillsRgood
Active member
sure thing, man. Hopefully it gave an unbiased opinion of a product!
I will pop back in a couple weeks to give my take on my Torem=TRS PCT and if I was able to keep my gains. My diet is going to stay spot on, but just 200-400 cals less a day. I figure since my natural test isnt as high, I need to at least drop a small fraction of calories to keep the fat at bay...
Rodja
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NO!!!! Never drop calories during PCT. That is a sure fire way to lose LBM.
pillsRgood
Active member
I was at 3500's, if i drop down to 3200's you think that will hurt me? If so ill just keep all the same and then run clen in a couple of months to drop any unwanted bf...
Thanks to all that have helped me out through my cycle, you guys all kept me motivated and on.track!
pillsRgood
Active member
Ok, thanks...darn now I have to eat more...:yup:
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Ceratinly, I even would suggest going beyond PCT before dropping, you want to make sure recovery went well so all is kept.
pillsRgood
Active member
Sounds good, thanks...Ill hold strong till june then hit clen for a 2 week pre vacation miny cut...
pillsRgood
Active member
I'll have to.throw that in, i have a bunch I haven't used yet.... also, ive been holding the sustane alpha in my mouth for 30 secs, not too bad of taste...ill let ya know how it affects
rulk22
Well-known member
Nice! Yes please let me know if this is doin anything for you, im goin to be doin the same thing with my sustain alpha...and use that cla:yup: wich brand are you using btw?
pillsRgood
Active member
Not sure on brand, the bottle was glass and broke, so they in an old supp bottle now...
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Cheap to add to any cut as well.
ryansm
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How's PCT treating you thus far?
pillsRgood
Active member
Pct is going good so far... erections are still randomly occurring throughout day and night, weight is holding at 220, weights are still same or higher... endurance is down a bit...I think all is working great so far, its only been 4 days so I'm not gonna get to excited.... one thing ive noticed is more acne on my back, but with hormonal imbalance I should expect it...
BigBlackGuy
Well-known member
Yah, I always notice very mild acne going into PCT and chalk it up to hormonal imbalance. I generally have zero acne.
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Glad to hear PCT is going well.
rulk22
Well-known member
Ah that kinda sucks. As Ryan said, our cla is good n cheap and thats what I use.
BigBlackGuy
Well-known member
IMO, run the mass+hard for 6 weeks (or go a bit longer if that's what you're looking for, would take 2 bottles of each though).
rulk22
Well-known member
This sounds good. The design of this stack was meant to be the most potent of them all.
pillsRgood
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thats def gonna depend on my financial situation at the time, If anything Ill just run 1 bottle of mass for 4 weeks as the kicker and call it good...Either way Im better off than if I gobbled up a bunch of dianabol as a kicker, at least my liver is better off!!. My next round of test is in and Im set on that aspect, but I still have to gather up my pct's and AI's. Next round isnt till sept/oct, so I have time...
Pct is still going solid thus far. I think holding the sustain alpha in my mouth for a min is making the absorption better. Seems as if I have erections all day, the same as if I was still on, which makes me happy. the torem def seems to be a superior serm and seems to have me on the fast track to recovery.
Aside from some lethargic feelings and very occasional down feelings, I really feel solid. Acne is still on my back/shoulders and I have been feeling hot off and on. I think the temp change in my body is from my body trying to reach a hormonal balance, correct me if Im off here please!
My weight is down a few lbs, but pretty sure it was water weight. Muscles are not as full and Im not as swollen as when I was on, but like I said thats due to water weight being down. Weights in the gym are still the same, if not higher in some lifts and this is what makes me happy!!!!
Its only been a week of PCT thus far so lets wait and see!
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
PCT seems to be going good.
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
You started a trend.
rulk22
Well-known member
Haha..Ill be pleased only if it really makes a difference : )
HereToStudy
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Luckily pills is playing guinea pig.
pillsRgood
Active member
You know it!
Pct is still going good... I'm down 3-4lbs but strength still same, so must be water weight n fat....focked my wrist up, it hurts when I bend it up, but its not gonna stop me. I've just been taking advil, rubbing flex all on it and wrapping it... taking time off is not gonna happen, I'm just gonna be careful and constantly ice it....still have great libido and overall mood....
ryansm
Well-known member
I would stabilize it as well, use training tape to enhance the wrap
BigBlackGuy
Well-known member
Good to hear. Going down in weight is nice when you can maintain strength
pillsRgood
Active member
good call...Im gonna use tape as well, even thought I hate ripping all my arm hair off each time I take the tape off!:aargh:
Hopefully it heals up soon, its annoying to have an injury!
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
I feel you on the wrist.
I currently have been using a sport wrap during lifting, and up to 5 days ago was wearing it wrapped with an ace bandage all day, only taking it off to shower/ice. Finally off the day to day wrap, but keeping it wrapped for lifting for a bit longer.
I currently have been using a sport wrap during lifting, and up to 5 days ago was wearing it wrapped with an ace bandage all day, only taking it off to shower/ice. Finally off the day to day wrap, but keeping it wrapped for lifting for a bit longer.
pillsRgood
Active member
The tape def helped yest, it reduced the pain a lot...
My weight is 3 lbs up from weekend, mostly water weight, but it is all my fault. Buddies bday was on sat and I ate too much and drank too much...you think id learn, but nope... weight during cycle topped off at 222-223, I am 220ish now, but after working out this week ill be back down too 217ish. Still feel great and am pleased pct is going smooth....
My weight is 3 lbs up from weekend, mostly water weight, but it is all my fault. Buddies bday was on sat and I ate too much and drank too much...you think id learn, but nope... weight during cycle topped off at 222-223, I am 220ish now, but after working out this week ill be back down too 217ish. Still feel great and am pleased pct is going smooth....
ryansm
Well-known member
Keeping those cals high during PCT is important for retaining gains, just keep them as clean as possible.
vidapreta
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Why is it that during the first 3 pages whenever someone quotes you, your user name comes up as jjbogner?? just curious, did you change your user name or something??
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Man of mystery.
pillsRgood
Active member
Thats right!!:yup: