First Cycle - Slight Panic: Question Regards Dosing.

K2B13

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Hello.

I am currently starting a cycle, but at the moment I'm doing my pre-cycle. I think I have everything planned out, but now I'm a bit worried. I just need some sort of support on weather what I have is good. Any feedback would be good. I specifically am unsure in regards of my dosing. I read around, people say usually to follow instructions on the bottle, but I need to be sure.

Pre-Cycle [2-Weeks]:

[Whey Protein | 1x - 1 Scoop]
[Hawthorn Berries | 3x - 1 Capsules]
[Cycle Assist | 2x - 2 Capsules]
[TestoPro | 2x - 2 Capsules]
[Creatine Fuel | 1x - 6 Capsules]
[PES Erase | 3x - 1 Capsules]
[Multi-Complete | 1x - 1 Capsules]
[Magnesium | 1x - 1 Capsules]


On-Cycle [6-Weeks]:

[Whey Protein | 1x - 1 Scoop]
[Hawthorn Berries | 3x - 1 Capsules]
[Cycle Assist | 2x - 2 Capsules]
[TestoPro | 2x - 2 Capsules]
[Creatine Fuel | 1x - 6 Capsules]
[PES Erase | 3x - 1 Capsules]
[Multi-Complete | 1x - 1 Capsules]
[Magnesium | 1x - 1 Capsules]
[Ultradrol | 2x - 1 Capsules]
[Clomidex | 1x - 2 Capsules]


Post-Cycle [4-Weeks]:

[Whey Protein | 1x - 1 Scoop]
[Hawthorn Berries | 3x - 1 Capsules]
[Cycle Assist | 2x - 2 Capsules]
[TestoPro | 2x - 2 Capsules]
[Creatine Fuel | 1x - 6 Capsules]
[PES Erase | 3x - 1 Capsules]
[Multi-Complete | 1x - 1 Capsules]
[Magnesium | 1x - 1 Capsules]
[Clomidex | 1x - 2 Capsules]

In regards of diet, and my workout plan, I think it's all solid.
 
Yikes.


Your fine, just wasting a lot of money.

Don't bother with natty test boosters while on cycle. Or pre cycle. You're going to shutdown anyways. Don't bother with erase until pct. the only thing you need to preload is Hawthorne berry.

Also a SERM would be a good idea. .
 
PumpHouse said:
Yikes.


Your fine, just wasting a lot of money.

Don't bother with natty test boosters while on cycle. Or pre cycle. You're going to shutdown anyways. Don't bother with erase until pct. the only thing you need to preload is Hawthorne berry.

Also a SERM would be a good idea. .
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Thank you for the response. I'm just not experienced with PH at all yet, and the consequences can be quite large from what I read if done wrong. In regards of getting a SERM. If it comes to be being unable to get my hands on it, will I be fine without it, or are the differences large? I have Tokkyo Clomidex.
 
Basically, you'd want to preload Hawthorne for a week or two. During cycle take your UD and your assist. And pct you want a SERM, your test booster, and your erase. I dont know what clomidex is, but I imagine its just supposed to do the same thing as erase and your test booster. So use it or don't your call there. Get a SERM.

Creatine, whey, multi, and magnesium isn't part of your cycle really, they're just staples take as you see fit.

As far as your above question. Getting a SERM is easy, just look around. It will make PCT much smoother. I suggest clomid.
 
I had one last question. I am adding the following to my PCT:

[Nolvadex | 1x - 20 MG]
[Clomid | 1x - 100 MG]
[Letrozole | 1x - .25 MG]

It's the same dosage, daily for 4-weeks. In that way will it work? Some people do different dosages each week.
 
You don't need both Clomid and Nolva (just pick one). And I wouldn't take the Letro unless you're having gyno symptoms. That's harsh stuff.

Also, you need to taper the serm.

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Clomid: 50/50/25/25
 
I would avoid the letro. Clomid at 50/50/25/25/0/0 and erase at 0/0/3/3/2/1

And your test booster as recommended dose.
 
Im running letro . **** works good . If you just suck it up an handle the sides youll be good. I dont think its as rough as people make it out to be
 
Nolva and Clomid together is a tried and tested PCT.

I guess you spent all that money on the supports so you might as well use them but in future:

No pre-load necessary
Multi-Vit
Fish Oil gels
(Added joint support if you're old like me)
Vitamin D3 (the wonder drug for your immune system)

PCT is your favourite SERM and use an AI from week 3 in PCT and extend out for a month after PCT to prevent rebound gyno (this is real).

Drink a gallon of water a day, supplement diet with plenty of protein shakes. Enjoy gains.
 
Logman said:
Nolva and Clomid together is a tried and tested PCT.

I guess you spent all that money on the supports so you might as well use them but in future:

No pre-load necessary
Multi-Vit
Fish Oil gels
(Added joint support if you're old like me)
Vitamin D3 (the wonder drug for your immune system)

PCT is your favourite SERM and use an AI from week 3 in PCT and extend out for a month after PCT to prevent rebound gyno (this is real).

Drink a gallon of water a day, supplement diet with plenty of protein shakes. Enjoy gains.
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Supplement with plenty of protein shakes huh?
 
OP, I'm just trying to help when I say you clearly have not done adequate research.

You need to look at other logs and see for yourself how people ran the compounds and why a good pct is what it is. Read up on what you're taking and own it. Just yesterday you posted a completely back asswords cycle, no offense. Its going to take longer than a day of gaining solid knowledge. Just calling it as I see it and saying don't go into a cycle blind. It will be a waste or a bad experience.
 
6andaHalf said:
OP, I'm just trying to help when I say you clearly have not done adequate research.

You need to look at other logs and see for yourself how people ran the compounds and why a good pct is what it is. Read up on what you're taking and own it. Just yesterday you posted a completely back asswords cycle, no offense. Its going to take longer than a day of gaining solid knowledge. Just calling it as I see it and saying don't go into a cycle blind. It will be a waste or a bad experience.
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^this.
Plus
Ultradrol is not a good first run.
 
rphash49 said:
^this.
Plus
Ultradrol is not a good first run.
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If he had done any research at all he would know this. Op first cycle should be something mild haladrol or epistane are almost always the recommendations. You can also run those 2 a little longer. A serm is a must or you will lose your gains period end of story. Somebody on here already explained to you how to find a serm I suggest that be your next move and if you are intent on running this cycle don't start it til you have your serm.
 
Wasted a lot of money bro. Not harping but you could do without probably 70% of what you layed out. Not sure what clomidex is, but if thats your serm, you need to run after your cycle. I would also go with nolva as clomids side effects are pretty ****ty. You dont need to preload anything, once you take it hits your bloodstream within minutes. It doesnt have esters attatched to it or long half lives. Preloading you just end up buying more of the companies product and spend more on it unecessarily. gl
 
Superman_777 said:
Wasted a lot of money bro. Not harping but you could do without probably 70% of what you layed out. Not sure what clomidex is, but if thats your serm, you need to run after your cycle. I would also go with nolva as clomids side effects are pretty ****ty. You dont need to preload anything, once you take it hits your bloodstream within minutes. It doesnt have esters attatched to it or long half lives. Preloading you just end up buying more of the companies product and spend more on it unecessarily. gl
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You preload hawthorn berries because they can raise BP before lowering it and you don't want that when your BP is already elevated on cycle.
 
Also OP, buy the hawthorn extract next time, much better for your money than the freeform.

@ above post
Bro dont spew bull****. can you tell me what else hawthorne does? Besides bloodpressure, what other organs does it have a positive effect on since you know so much? Dont go look this up either, telk me from your existing broscience knowledge.. If what you said was true, then why is that when its taken for headaches at a large enough dose, it wipes them out almost completely? Oh I thought it raised your bp if you didnt preload, so shouldnt it make it worse? You make no sense you parrot, stop mimicking others unless you can pose an argument or clinical study.
 
I agree that Ultradrol is a very bad choice for a first cycle but unfortunately I see more and more members using crazy cycle for a first ph. :(
Hawthorne berry can elevate bp for a couple days when you first introduce it. For that reason I always rec Cycle Assist with its added celery seed extract to negate that issue
 
Superman_777 said:
Also OP, buy the hawthorn extract next time, much better for your money than the freeform.

@ above post
Bro dont spew bull****. can you tell me what else hawthorne does? Besides bloodpressure, what other organs does it have a positive effect on since you know so much? Dont go look this up either, telk me from your existing broscience knowledge.. If what you said was true, then why is that when its taken for headaches at a large enough dose, it wipes them out almost completely? Oh I thought it raised your bp if you didnt preload, so shouldnt it make it worse? You make no sense you parrot, stop mimicking others unless you can pose an argument or clinical study.
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You sound like a dumb fuk. You obviously don't know what you are talking about and me a parrot? All headaches are caused from high blood pressure? Ill answer tht for you,no.

I post from my experiences and my experiences alone.
Well it is known to raise blood pressure slightly before lowering it. And I have experienced this myself. Who are you to say it doesn't. Take your confrontational know it all attitude somewhere else. People like you are the reason this board is sub par.

Your an idiot
Argue with someone that you could win an argument against.and shove those hawthorn berries up your a$$

Thank you.
 
Superman_777 said:
Also OP, buy the hawthorn extract next time, much better for your money than the freeform.

@ above post
Bro dont spew bull****. can you tell me what else hawthorne does? Besides bloodpressure, what other organs does it have a positive effect on since you know so much? Dont go look this up either, telk me from your existing broscience knowledge.. If what you said was true, then why is that when its taken for headaches at a large enough dose, it wipes them out almost completely? Oh I thought it raised your bp if you didnt preload, so shouldnt it make it worse? You make no sense you parrot, stop mimicking others unless you can pose an argument or clinical study.
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Mp859 said:
You sound like a dumb fuk. You obviously don't know what you are talking about and me a parrot? All headaches are caused from high blood pressure? Ill answer tht for you,no.

I post from my experiences and my experiences alone.
Well it is known to raise blood pressure slightly before lowering it. And I have experienced this myself. Who are you to say it doesn't. Take your confrontational know it all attitude somewhere else. People like you are the reason this board is sub par.

Your an idiot
Argue with someone that you could win an argument against.and shove those hawthorn berries up your a$$

Thank you.
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Weeell..... As far as looking dumb, neither is exempt. Hawthorne berries took away my sides from what felt like high blood pressure within 24 hours. But I win this session because nitrates do the job better, faster, and dont apparently spike blood pressure. Hawthorne berries are solely a scavenger(for lack of better word to use) of nitric oxide. It keeps N.O. from breaking down. So if you supplement with a legit N.O. inducing product you are faster towards your goal. Without much nitric oxide, why try to prolong it's effect? Nitrates priduce N.O. fir hours and hours. After a couple days on them you have basically never-pausing blood flow enhancement. Ive proved this product. . I was on Epi and Cyanostane with Cyanostane being notorious for elevated bp, had 300mg of caffeine and a bunch of yohimbe, got my bp tested and it was 122/78. Which is not freaking bad at all.
 
Mp859 said:
You sound like a dumb fuk. You obviously don't know what you are talking about and me a parrot? All headaches are caused from high blood pressure? Ill answer tht for you,no.

I post from my experiences and my experiences alone.
Well it is known to raise blood pressure slightly before lowering it. And I have experienced this myself. Who are you to say it doesn't. Take your confrontational know it all attitude somewhere else. People like you are the reason this board is sub par.

Your an idiot
Argue with someone that you could win an argument against.and shove those hawthorn berries up your a$$

Thank you.
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I never said all headaches are caused from high bp, but most are once you understand how the body works..

And you go off of your experiences, ****head? You probably dont even know what to look for or feel, it could be a variety of different factors when you preloaded the hawrorne berry that gave you a headache or what not..

your little "experience" doesnt hold up to what the hawthorn berry herb actually does. And how come you still could answer my question regarding what else this herb can do and how it affects certain organs? You know jack ****.. Bro please stop spewing broscience, you sound like a child.

You think your little 'experience' holds a valid arguement against countless truth on how the herb works in the body. Seeing as there is no arguement here, why dont you stop posting..signing off.
 
Superman_777 said:
I never said all headaches are caused from high bp, but most are once you understand how the body works..

And you go off of your experiences, ****head? You probably dont even know what to look for or feel, it could be a variety of different factors when you preloaded the hawrorne berry that gave you a headache or what not..

your little "experience" doesnt hold up to what the hawthorn berry herb actually does. And how come you still could answer my question regarding what else this herb can do and how it affects certain organs? You know jack ****.. Bro please stop spewing broscience, you sound like a child.

You think your little 'experience' holds a valid arguement against countless truth on how the herb works in the body. Seeing as there is no arguement here, why dont you stop posting..signing off.
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I couldn't care any less about hawthorn berry.

Your a clown
 
bleh the preloading isnt necessary, in all honesty it is about personal preference. some people pre load and some dont. the cycle ends up the same. i didnt preload on my helladrol cycle and it was fine. in cycle assist there are compounds that quickly lower your BP and protect your liver while NaC and Hawthorne kick in. Also CoQ10 helps as an instant BP control.
 
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