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First cycle ?'s

fireguy10720

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Hi, i am 26 years old, been training since 18, very serious for the last 4yrs. I am 5'11" and right now am currently weighting 207lbs, down from 230lbs.. I have done numerous pro hormone cycles for a few years now and lookin to do first cycle of some real gear. Lost the weight due to summer, wanted to lean up. Looking for a lean stack just to harden up and gain some lean mass without the puffiness. Been doing a lot of research latley and talking with lots of guys at the gym. Just lookin for some more opionions on gear to try and doses. Thanks in advance for any info..
 
I was thinkin a test, and after research most likely test e, but was thinkin of adding a tren, or winnie for an extra cut. Whats your thoughts??
 
fireguy10720 said:
Nobody has any in put for me?? Just wanting some more opions:think:
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definitely not tren. Its not something you want to start on. Winni possibily, or another anabolic like like tbol, primo etc. If you want to reduce bloat you may want to add in an AI on cycle.
 
tren is the MOST suppressive and should be run after u have many MANY cycles under ur belt.

stick with test only

cut or bulk depends on diet and training...NOT steriods...winny does NOT cut fat, it is a hardening steroid
 
So i really just want a good hardener. Not lookin for a ton of size. Just want to harden up. Dont really care to gain more than 10lbs or so. Just lean up and harden up with all lean muscle gains. All research i have been doing show test with a high water retention rate. What you guys think about a straight winny cycle or even some primobolan??? Please help... Thanks!!!!
 
all primo works as a first cycle

but I think you should stick with test. You could do somehting like prop for 6 weeks and use winny or var for the last 4 weeks.
 
What about a Deca?? Sorry for all the questions just been spending soo much time doing research for the last year and want to start in a month or so and just tryin to make up my mind for certain. So that why i am askin for all your opions and knowledge for more help. Thanks
 
fireguy10720 said:
What about a Deca?? Sorry for all the questions just been spending soo much time doing research for the last year and want to start in a month or so and just tryin to make up my mind for certain. So that why i am askin for all your opions and knowledge for more help. Thanks
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after spending so much time researching for a year you should know that Deca is far from an ideal compound for a "lean stack just to harden up."

Deca is a bulking compound pure and simple. It has many unique properties but getting ripped isn't one of them. Keep doing the research but an oral like var/winny/tbol with test prop is a safe route IMO and primo will work too (just expensive).
 
UnrealMachine said:
after spending so much time researching for a year you should know that Deca is far from an ideal compound for a "lean stack just to harden up."

Deca is a bulking compound pure and simple. It has many unique properties but getting ripped isn't one of them. Keep doing the research but an oral like var/winny/tbol with test prop is a safe route IMO and primo will work too (just expensive).
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Just tryin to get opinions on things.. What are the feelings on just an injectable winny cycle???
 
Test-e twice a week. You will not bloat like crazy on that dosage. opinions on injectable winny only cycle? very dumb and I would not do it. You wont be able to walk after injecting that stuff. plus, I really think too many people hurt themselves by taking this drug from the way it messes with your joints and ligaments

Primo is a waste of money and you will find yourself back on here at the end of your cycle asking why you havent gained any weight and dont look any different unless you have very low bodyfat levels already; however, I still wouldn't run it alone

If you want to throw in an oral and you can find it try var, it would go well with what you are trying to achieve.

edit: if you think you can handle it, test prop EOD would be the ideal test here... however, you will have to inject every other day which most first timers can not handle doing.
 
Medic said:
Test-e twice a week. You will not bloat like crazy on that dosage. opinions on injectable winny only cycle? very dumb and I would not do it. You wont be able to walk after injecting that stuff. plus, I really think too many people hurt themselves by taking this drug from the way it messes with your joints and ligaments

Primo is a waste of money and you will find yourself back on here at the end of your cycle asking why you havent gained any weight and dont look any different unless you have very low bodyfat levels already; however, I still wouldn't run it alone

If you want to throw in an oral and you can find it try var, it would go well with what you are trying to achieve.

edit: if you think you can handle it, test prop EOD would be the ideal test here... however, you will have to inject every other day which most first timers can not handle doing.
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Thank you very muchfor all opinions and suggestions. Trust me i have been doing my research, but there is also a lot of contradicting things out there, thats why i am askin for some real life advice.. Thanks again!!!
 
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