First Cycle Log: Test E ~400 11 weeks. Let's Do This Sh*t
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Harry Seaward
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hahaa don't worry at all man I love it!
OrganicShadow
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Brooo. June hits and they all came out of the woodworks! I could have a field day in Central Park. Too bad they all have that stuck-up-NYC attitude. I enjoyed reading all this to catch up.
csa2179
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i heard it was legal to just show them your balls, as long as no shaft is showing... bytches love scrotum's
OrganicShadow
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HAHAHA Its a nice day. I'll go try that. Ill be back later to let you know howthat worked out.
Harry Seaward
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Thanks brother, been crazy at work my bad for not updating that much. Pics coming in about a week...feel like lowering my carbs and keeping the protein high has helped w 'hardening' and cutting up a little, but nothing drastic. Have had to work out at 6 AM every morning bc every night past week / week and a half had no time at night, but staying relatively strong and feeling good.
Libido sky high, forgot doxycycline for one day and paid the price with one of those painful 'underneath' pimples, going away now. Setting up my PCT, which will start two weeks after the last pin, which will be a week from today (last pin on Thurs. 6/28)
I plan on continuing just the winny might up it to 60 mg ED during the 13th week, as the test e clears.
Here I'm cutting and pasting my PCT from the PCT forum section:
Here is the revised plan, which applies to week 13 - 18:
Winny Tabs 50 ED / 0 / 0 / 0 /0
Nolva: 20 / 20 / 20 / 10 / 10 / 0
Clomid: 0 / 75 / 75 / 50 / 50 / 25
Aromasin: 25 mg ED / 25EOD / 25 EOD / 25 EOD / 25 EOD / 0
Erase: 0 / 2 ED / 2 / 2 / 1 / 1
DAA: 3 g ED / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 / 3
Please critique where needed, and also my main question is: If my last pin is Thurs. 6/28, does that mean that each week "starts" the following Thursday? In other words Clomid starts Thurs 7/12, Nolva starts Thurs 7/5, etc?
Harry Seaward
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Bump on the PCT help - if anyone has any suggestions. My first PCT, really hope I'm not like depressed with no sex drive or energy.
DangerDave
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Hey bro. Drop the nolva or clomid. You only will need 1 SERM. everything else looks legit. If you are worried about sex drive take .5mg of caber 2x ew or get some viagra or cialis. Clomid will make you super emotional like a b*tch for the first few weeks. If that's a problem go with nolva.
DangerDave
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Oh yeah... start your SERM on 7/12 exactly 2 weeks after last pin.
Harry Seaward
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thx a ton broski, really appreciate it. I'll probably go w nolva in that case.
Harry Seaward
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PS took some new pics, here's one and will post others later. If I wasn't too embarrassed I'd ask my gf or a roommate to take other angles but this gives a good idea.
I think keeping the carbs lower and upping the protein, along w the winny of course definitely helped me harden up and get some definition: *edit - also some manscaping / shaving chest etc totally helps you look cut up too haha
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I think keeping the carbs lower and upping the protein, along w the winny of course definitely helped me harden up and get some definition: *edit - also some manscaping / shaving chest etc totally helps you look cut up too haha
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OrganicShadow
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Yeah buddy! Looks solid - I'm callin this a win. I used to swim competitively so body shaving is force of habit. I don't care, it helps show off my quads and calves.
Clomid just makes people moody. Nolva is the safe bet.
Clomid just makes people moody. Nolva is the safe bet.
Harry Seaward
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Thx twice brother! Jeez...I had no idea clomid was that bad! I'll check w you guys my finalized PCT plan soon before I begin it.
Juggernaut85
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Nice gains, great job.
Harry Seaward
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Little more updates - Worst night of sleep in a lonnnnng time last night. Tossing and turning till almost 5, but slept in till 8 for 3 hrs sleep total. Gonna take a little nap, and hopefully get a good 8 hrs tonight.
On a good note, got the 110's up 12 (actually I'll call it 11.75 w out a spotter just didn't lock out), a new high by a rep if you count it. Also lifts have been solid in other areas, and feeling good aside from today (was literally dozing off at my desk a good portion of the day).
So now have the rest of this week, last pin on Thurs., then one more week of winny tabs 60 mg ED, and at the end of that week I'll tone down the workouts to just maintenance levels.
I'll post my starting pic:
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I definitely wasn't perfect on diet, but kept it relatively strict, and certain things like weddings and bachelor parties were speed bumps / setbacks but was still able to reach my goals e.g. gaining 10 lbs of pretty quality mass and hardening up / cutting up a little bit, while still generally able to avoid having to buy an entire new wardrobe, which I think I can attribute to not going crazy on the carbs as this wasn't an all-out bulk or anything.
I'll give my final wrap up, but this is just the gist of what's gone down so far. Looking down the road to my second cycle in the winter, which will be test C, EQ (500/500 around 14-16 wks), with turinabol kicker week 1-4ish and primo tabs the last 7-8 weeks. That cycle will be what I'll call the "Rocky IV Cycle"; gonna try to shred up a la Rocky when he got ready to battle with Drago (wow it's awesome that there was no spelling correction for "Drago"). I'll be chopping some wood, pulling some sleds in the snow, lifting bags of rocks, etc.
Anyway thanks for the support so far AM bro's. Hopefully I've gained some knowledge that can be of some use to some of you. Will update again soon, home stretch baby!!! Gearing up for PCT :-/
On a good note, got the 110's up 12 (actually I'll call it 11.75 w out a spotter just didn't lock out), a new high by a rep if you count it. Also lifts have been solid in other areas, and feeling good aside from today (was literally dozing off at my desk a good portion of the day).
So now have the rest of this week, last pin on Thurs., then one more week of winny tabs 60 mg ED, and at the end of that week I'll tone down the workouts to just maintenance levels.
I'll post my starting pic:
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And these are from last night:
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I definitely wasn't perfect on diet, but kept it relatively strict, and certain things like weddings and bachelor parties were speed bumps / setbacks but was still able to reach my goals e.g. gaining 10 lbs of pretty quality mass and hardening up / cutting up a little bit, while still generally able to avoid having to buy an entire new wardrobe, which I think I can attribute to not going crazy on the carbs as this wasn't an all-out bulk or anything.
I'll give my final wrap up, but this is just the gist of what's gone down so far. Looking down the road to my second cycle in the winter, which will be test C, EQ (500/500 around 14-16 wks), with turinabol kicker week 1-4ish and primo tabs the last 7-8 weeks. That cycle will be what I'll call the "Rocky IV Cycle"; gonna try to shred up a la Rocky when he got ready to battle with Drago (wow it's awesome that there was no spelling correction for "Drago"). I'll be chopping some wood, pulling some sleds in the snow, lifting bags of rocks, etc.
Anyway thanks for the support so far AM bro's. Hopefully I've gained some knowledge that can be of some use to some of you. Will update again soon, home stretch baby!!! Gearing up for PCT :-/
OrganicShadow
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Can we get some pics of the legs? How'd you fair with the pistons overall?
Harry Seaward
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Definitely, will do a post-quadzilla workout pic, but also have to do some manscaping on that front first.
Harry Seaward
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These are the only calve pics I have so far, from a month+ ago, and don't have a good mirror to see legs unless I get up on my washing machine. I'll figure it out, I'm just to embarrassed to ask my roommates or my gf to take the pic. She already said I'm too obsessed w the gym etc. so don't want to subject her to having to take pics of me. I'll figure something out.
howwedo107
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Harry Seaward said:
Better follow my cycle log with my tbol
ill be the tbol guinea pig haha
OrganicShadow
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Already there brotha. Look at them diamonds!!!
Harry Seaward
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Thx OS and HWD definitely let me know how it goes. I never did any oral so have nothing to compare the winny to but it's definitely doing something...
DangerDave
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Great work man! You have made awesome progress! Good luck with the pct and hit me up if you got questions on it
Harry Seaward
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Thx again Dave, very much appreciated.
So today is last day pinning, and I'm working from home today woohoo! Maybe around lunchtime I'll get my pin on.
Back pumps have been BRUTAL lately, I've been walking around like an old man. Been taking taurine by the heaping spoonful last two days and this AM, but has not been improving much. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated
I think I really went a little too hard on legs on Monday, so e.g. squatting heavy and without a weight belt as I always do. My legs are still sore as hell, so it's been very tough getting around the city. No offense to those who use one but c'mon we all know real men don't use belts! Although if these back pumps continue, I might have to consider going against my own dogma.
Crushed shoulders / tri's yesterday, although had to do a rushed Tri workout so I wasn't too late mtg up w my girlfriend. Planning on abs / back tonight, and hopefully will be able to get a nice leg workout / leg pump tomorrow so I can take the "after" photos for legs. I'll either end up doing legs tomorrow or Sat...
Will update soon, hopefully this lower back pain will go away asap. Since Sunday I've worked out every day except Wed, so not the end of the world if I need to rest / ice up.
DangerDave
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Good work bro! For those pumps I eat a ton of bannanas (usually 1 with every shake), Taurine, Water and I dont know if if helps but BCAA with every shake. Ever since i started using all of those in a day back pumps are non existant for me.
I know what you mean with the belts. Totally agree. BUT.... when I max my deadlift and go over 405lbs I usually throw one one to prevent a hernia lol. Other than that I dont wear one. I always make fun of the guys that wear one their entire workout.... seriously? who benches with a belt on haha
I know what you mean with the belts. Totally agree. BUT.... when I max my deadlift and go over 405lbs I usually throw one one to prevent a hernia lol. Other than that I dont wear one. I always make fun of the guys that wear one their entire workout.... seriously? who benches with a belt on haha
Harry Seaward
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Agree 100% if you're going down to 3 or fewer reps or something that's entirely different, and yes haha bench??? WTF...
san731
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as far as pct goes. clomids emotional sides get exaggerated a lot. I'm on week 2-3 of it right now and can't say I feel any different. and it's the only SERM prescribed by doctors to get men's hormones working again. clomid>nolva in my opinion. I'd go with torem over both of those though. sh1ts suppose to be magical. have your balls huge in like 3 days lol
Harry Seaward
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Seriously?? Damn wish I had that on hand...I can get liquid but I think pills are best right?
What are the big drawbacks of Nolva + Clomid? I see a lot of PCT utilizing that...
thanks again man
DangerDave
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I like Clomid personally. 100mg is when the emotional sides happen. That's usually week 1-2 then I'm usually good. I never combine them... I use the motto more is not always better.
Harry Seaward
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Rabz & Dave thanks a LOT guys. Probably saving my liver, mood and hopefully libido. Are clo /nlva each as bad as methylated stuff like winny on your liver?
So I guess I'm still up in the air between Clomid and Nolva. If I do clomid maybe I'll max out at 75 mg for few days and then go to 50 mg. Nolva I think I'd do 20/20/15/10/10 or something along those lines.
Either way, I have both on hand, each in pill form and in liquid (going w the pill forms), and of course not starting them until two weeks from today. Even if God forbid I start to get gyno I'll attack it w letro or up the dose of the AI.
Thanks again bros, will probably have some more questions in the near future. Ahhh that reminds me: When should I start the DAA, Fadogia, and other supplements like tribulus?
So I guess I'm still up in the air between Clomid and Nolva. If I do clomid maybe I'll max out at 75 mg for few days and then go to 50 mg. Nolva I think I'd do 20/20/15/10/10 or something along those lines.
Either way, I have both on hand, each in pill form and in liquid (going w the pill forms), and of course not starting them until two weeks from today. Even if God forbid I start to get gyno I'll attack it w letro or up the dose of the AI.
Thanks again bros, will probably have some more questions in the near future. Ahhh that reminds me: When should I start the DAA, Fadogia, and other supplements like tribulus?
DangerDave
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Its not harsh on your liver like methyls or winny. A SERM binds to the estrogen and makes it unable to bind to the receptors. It then free floats and the liver filters it out. The liver sees all this "extra" estrogen and your body kicks up the production of testosterone to equal it all out. That's how your balls come back so quick.
So it does put stress on your liver just not in the way a methylated steroid would.
Start the DAA 1 week prior to SERM to get a high blood level. As for the other stuff just start on the day you start the SERM.
So it does put stress on your liver just not in the way a methylated steroid would.
Start the DAA 1 week prior to SERM to get a high blood level. As for the other stuff just start on the day you start the SERM.
Harry Seaward
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Thx homie, that makes sense. It won't let me rep you but if I could I'd throw you 100 reps, answered pretty much all my questions thx brah
DangerDave
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Harry Seaward said:Thx homie, that makes sense. It won't let me rep you but if I could I'd throw you 100 reps, answered pretty much all my questions thx brah
No problem bro!
Juggernaut85
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Harry on your pct setup you've posted, the nolva 20/20/15/10/10 is ED right??
DangerDave
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Juggernaut85 said:
Yes its everyday and that's milligrams too
Harry Seaward
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Danger thx bro, you are the man. Yep ED sorry I left that out.
Confession time: I'm thinking about buying a belt for my lower back, it's been hurting a lot. I know it's textbook back pumps but even on seated rows it kinda tweaked a little (not dumbbell, not bent barbell, but seated!), but this didn't stop me from missing anything so far, although...
Doing legs today, and since I've been going relatively heavy on squats / stiff legs DL's I don't wanna jack up my back. I know the pumps started real bad after a hard leg workout this past Sunday, so I might take a little walk and see if I can find a store to get a weight belt. Prob for my higher rep sets I'll keep the belt off, and then just use it as I up the weight. We'll see.
Either way, I shouldn't let pride or some sort of "I'm too tough for weight belts" mentality change my mind. I have an amendment to my rule: Punks regularly use weight belts for a lot of things, but anyone who won't use belts or whatever it takes to keep them safe when needed in certain situations because they care what other people think or are afraid of violating their rules are BIATCHES!!!!
Another question is: Do I use it for stiff leg deadlifts??? Pretty much defeats half the purpose of RDL's; (more or less 50% lower back / core, 50% hammy's but that's debatable).
Been eating at least 2-3 bananas per day in addition to the taurine, and I think that might have been helping back feels good today so far.
Schedule today is (1) swallow my pride, (2) try to buy a belt somewhere, and (3) whale on my quads / hammy's / calves. If I get a nice leg pumpage and can find some way to take a full body w legs photo I will also post that after the workout.
DangerDave
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Do what you gotta to take care of your back bro. I find that the stronger my abs are the less my lower back hurts. I also stretch my lower back and hams really good before a back workout and that helps tremendously.
I am not above using a belt when I go heavy... like over 400 on squat or deads. The lower back extensions will strengthen your lower back so it can take more of a beating during deadlifts.
I am not above using a belt when I go heavy... like over 400 on squat or deads. The lower back extensions will strengthen your lower back so it can take more of a beating during deadlifts.
howwedo107
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Yeah man I have to wear gloves once in awhile bc my hands get so beat when I curl but screw it bc it feels better...don't worry about pride bro belts are made for that reason it's not your fault some skinny 130lb prick uses them for 100lb deadlift haha
Harry Seaward
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Yeah you guys are definitely right, it's lamer not to use those things for assistance when you need them. I used a belt on my heavier set of squats, although I couldn't even finish one set of stiff leg deads bc my back is still a little jacked up...legs are nice and sore though today, although knees are a little sore too. Could definitely be the winny taking its toll. Taking today off, tomorrow starts the first Test E-less week and will begin having workouts that aren't super aggressive.
OrganicShadow
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Harry Seaward said:
I like wearing the belt. It's a psychological thing for me to hit harder. Keep us updated on how you feel in comparison. Let's see how the maintenance comes along.
KenTheEagle
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In!!!! good luck my friend, this log will be awesome and will help me since i will do my first inject cycle in a few months!
you are looking great and cycle looks cool! good luck
okay i think im late haha!
Harry Seaward
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Thx bros, yeah gotta see how this PCT thing works out. T-Minus one week till I start the nolva. Missed last two days for the 4th so gotta get back on track tomorrow. Did only chest on Mon, so might try to bundle shoulders, bi's & tri's tomorrow. Not sure if that's wise, but will try for sure and if I'm feeling it will tear it up!
Harry Seaward
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Little update - Can't believe I'm in PCT! Started nolva 20 mg ED. They are white octagon pills that say "nolvadex D" pretty sure they are legit bc of other legit stuff from this source.
Also taking erase 2 pills ED, started DAA today, have been taking aromasin ED for first week 25 mg, after that 3 weeks 25 mg EOD.
Also, I think I'll start fadogia and that other PCT supplement I got (w tribulus, bromo, and some other stuff in it) maybe next week, either way the bread and butter is of course the nolva and AI.
I've seen some plans that stagger nolva and clomid (e.g. 2 weeks after last pin: nolva 20/20/20/10/0 clomid 0/50/50/50/25). I'm leaning towards NOT taking clomid due to some saying it causes big mood issues I def don't wanna feel like sh*t. However, if maybe my PCT seems to not be passing muster after a couple weeks maybe I'll try a little Clomid.
Couple of notes - First, have had some knee soreness, however still able to do legs but I think it was from 'drying out', seems like that's similar to what people describe drying out too much. Other stuff like acne has been under control, still taking the 100 mg of doxycycline, which I am still taking 1 ED although I definitely am looking forward to not having to take it anymore.
Of course it's not good for you to take antibiotics that long but if I can be the guinea pig for any of you who are considering it, it definitely helped keep acne under control during this cycle.
Strength is still high, not quite the peak of what it was, e.g. I'm still able to put up the 110's 10 x's on incline but max was almost 12. Feeling ok in general. Have a trip this and next weekend, hopefully can still keep workouts and diet sufficient to help me recover.
Anyhoo, again I'm just starting my SERM (Nolva) today, so I'll put up any comments about it and let you know my thoughts on it, even though I have nothing to compare it to.
Also taking erase 2 pills ED, started DAA today, have been taking aromasin ED for first week 25 mg, after that 3 weeks 25 mg EOD.
Also, I think I'll start fadogia and that other PCT supplement I got (w tribulus, bromo, and some other stuff in it) maybe next week, either way the bread and butter is of course the nolva and AI.
I've seen some plans that stagger nolva and clomid (e.g. 2 weeks after last pin: nolva 20/20/20/10/0 clomid 0/50/50/50/25). I'm leaning towards NOT taking clomid due to some saying it causes big mood issues I def don't wanna feel like sh*t. However, if maybe my PCT seems to not be passing muster after a couple weeks maybe I'll try a little Clomid.
Couple of notes - First, have had some knee soreness, however still able to do legs but I think it was from 'drying out', seems like that's similar to what people describe drying out too much. Other stuff like acne has been under control, still taking the 100 mg of doxycycline, which I am still taking 1 ED although I definitely am looking forward to not having to take it anymore.
Of course it's not good for you to take antibiotics that long but if I can be the guinea pig for any of you who are considering it, it definitely helped keep acne under control during this cycle.
Strength is still high, not quite the peak of what it was, e.g. I'm still able to put up the 110's 10 x's on incline but max was almost 12. Feeling ok in general. Have a trip this and next weekend, hopefully can still keep workouts and diet sufficient to help me recover.
Anyhoo, again I'm just starting my SERM (Nolva) today, so I'll put up any comments about it and let you know my thoughts on it, even though I have nothing to compare it to.
DangerDave
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Nolva will work great for you man. I doubt you will need clomid. Especially since you used some HCG on your cycle.
For the dry joints.. try dropping your dose down to 12.5mg eod. You don't want to crush all your estrogen but you don't want it out of control. The nolva will help this part too.
Looks good so far man. Good luck with the pct!
For the dry joints.. try dropping your dose down to 12.5mg eod. You don't want to crush all your estrogen but you don't want it out of control. The nolva will help this part too.
Looks good so far man. Good luck with the pct!
Harry Seaward
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Dave thanks as always brother! You're the man.
The only crappy thing about my aromasin is that they are in caps, so I guess I can empty half of them each time, I hear you I think 25 might be a bit much and I'm definitely feeling it on the joints.
I actually have tabs at the post office, so whenever I can get there I can pick em up. I always think tabs / pills are more legit stuff than caps or liquid stuff anyway.
Goin away for the weekend today, so think I might try to pack in abs + back + bi's
The only crappy thing about my aromasin is that they are in caps, so I guess I can empty half of them each time, I hear you I think 25 might be a bit much and I'm definitely feeling it on the joints.
I actually have tabs at the post office, so whenever I can get there I can pick em up. I always think tabs / pills are more legit stuff than caps or liquid stuff anyway.
Goin away for the weekend today, so think I might try to pack in abs + back + bi's
DangerDave
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Dave thanks as always brother! You're the man.
The only crappy thing about my aromasin is that they are in caps, so I guess I can empty half of them each time, I hear you I think 25 might be a bit much and I'm definitely feeling it on the joints.
I actually have tabs at the post office, so whenever I can get there I can pick em up. I always think tabs / pills are more legit stuff than caps or liquid stuff anyway.
Goin away for the weekend today, so think I might try to pack in abs + back + bi's
Well with the halflife of aromasin if you were to dose the 25mg every 36-48 hours I think that brings you to about the same blood levels at 12.5 ED. Try it out and see how your joints feel. Just gauge it off how they feel... thats the easiest because everybody's body is different in that it handle estrogen levels differently depending on cycle type, genetics and such. Good luck man and enjoy that trip!