First Cycle - DMZ Solo
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PoSiTiVeFLoW
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Edit - deleted. Gotta stop responding to old posts.
PoSiTiVeFLoW
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Yikes nose bleeds... Never had that issue with DMZ just usual liver stress (orange pee) end of cycle.
Deal Alert FYI - Factory Supplements UK has BOGO on German Pharma M-drol (10mg DMZ caps, 60 CT). $39 plus ship. I normally order from them or pro-hormones co UK that price each bottle! I mean there's always predator UK as well for other brands we know,but they don't carry German Pharma.
Wobmarvel
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It's rebound you need to watch out for.
christ83189
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If you're prone to hairloss than theres always the possibility that it might but i dont think so
blongo804
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She like kind of knows but doesn't. I haven't straight up said "yeah I'm using dymethazine" and broke it down for her, but I've made enough hints and she's a smart girl lol. I actually wouldn't tell any friends because none of them are legit enough gym-goers to care or understand. I might just get made fun of or something because they'll think the classic, ignorant, "oh you're nads are gonna fall off now".
I think my fiance would also freak out if I was pinning. Maybe at the right age, post kids, etc. That is a good point to at least let her know where the orals are stored for reference sake.
That's where I'll be keeping my eyes out!
New update coming below.. Hand pain won't be stopping these gains!!
blongo804
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Long Update:
All last week my fiance and I did a "staycation" since we're trying to save for our wedding next year. With this came some diet breakage on days we adventured out, but I generally kept everything in a good spot, including daily protein amount. Still trained all week too!
Below you'll find my new weight. 206.2!! I did measure my waist line, around my belly button, on Saturday (8/4) morning (weighed 205.2) and it's the same as pre-cycle, 197-198lb me. VERY cool to see. I'll be keeping macros where they've been to see how my weight changes. Still continuing with 45mg ed DMZ. Otherwise, visually, I am definitely looking fuller, a bit veinier at the gym, and gym aggression has been great.
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So the "negatives".. I'm feeling is a bit flubbery in my stomach lately. I literally feel like a walking jug of water, which is odd because I thought DMZ was more dry gains. Not too worried about it. On the flip side, according to recent pictures my fiance took of me last week, my waist line does appear tighter than it was at the beginning of July. No real noticeably drastic changes otherwise..sigh. Another "negative" would be libido being tanked. I expected this of course, but yeah, it's gone lol. Some lethargic times here and there, but nothing too drastic there yet.
Even with my hurting hand, I'm actually hitting PR's without planning to. My hand pain is weird, it really depends on what position it's in for the pain to hit. For example, I hit a close grip bench rep and weight PR just fine, but can't spray deodorant with my left hand without pain lol.
New PR's:
245lb front squat, no gear. Previous best was 225 with belt and knee sleeves, and that was when I was doing these consistently per the program I was on at the time. Can't regular squat because of my hand so I've been doing front squats again. Really like these a lot and honestly feel much more of everything activating compared to a regular squat. The upper back/trap pump gets real with these too.
Close grip bench: 190 for 5 reps. Previous best was 170lbs for a few reps. I'd have to dig through my log to find my exact previous best. Thing I know for sure is, I was barely able to hit 190lb regular bench for 3 reps just 2 months ago, so take that for what it's worth.
I know both PR's are peasant-y, but I've made a ton of progress this year alone after finally dialing in all things diet/training related after years of absolute CRAP diet/training/mental game. For total reference, my squat/bench/deadlift is 305/215/415, all quality reps (squat was a bit shaky if anything).
This update is a bit long, but I had a good amount to update you guys on. I promise pictures will be posted, but I'm thinking at the end of cycle and end of PCT. Hoping I can pack some legit size on by then.
All last week my fiance and I did a "staycation" since we're trying to save for our wedding next year. With this came some diet breakage on days we adventured out, but I generally kept everything in a good spot, including daily protein amount. Still trained all week too!
Below you'll find my new weight. 206.2!! I did measure my waist line, around my belly button, on Saturday (8/4) morning (weighed 205.2) and it's the same as pre-cycle, 197-198lb me. VERY cool to see. I'll be keeping macros where they've been to see how my weight changes. Still continuing with 45mg ed DMZ. Otherwise, visually, I am definitely looking fuller, a bit veinier at the gym, and gym aggression has been great.
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So the "negatives".. I'm feeling is a bit flubbery in my stomach lately. I literally feel like a walking jug of water, which is odd because I thought DMZ was more dry gains. Not too worried about it. On the flip side, according to recent pictures my fiance took of me last week, my waist line does appear tighter than it was at the beginning of July. No real noticeably drastic changes otherwise..sigh. Another "negative" would be libido being tanked. I expected this of course, but yeah, it's gone lol. Some lethargic times here and there, but nothing too drastic there yet.
Even with my hurting hand, I'm actually hitting PR's without planning to. My hand pain is weird, it really depends on what position it's in for the pain to hit. For example, I hit a close grip bench rep and weight PR just fine, but can't spray deodorant with my left hand without pain lol.
New PR's:
245lb front squat, no gear. Previous best was 225 with belt and knee sleeves, and that was when I was doing these consistently per the program I was on at the time. Can't regular squat because of my hand so I've been doing front squats again. Really like these a lot and honestly feel much more of everything activating compared to a regular squat. The upper back/trap pump gets real with these too.
Close grip bench: 190 for 5 reps. Previous best was 170lbs for a few reps. I'd have to dig through my log to find my exact previous best. Thing I know for sure is, I was barely able to hit 190lb regular bench for 3 reps just 2 months ago, so take that for what it's worth.
I know both PR's are peasant-y, but I've made a ton of progress this year alone after finally dialing in all things diet/training related after years of absolute CRAP diet/training/mental game. For total reference, my squat/bench/deadlift is 305/215/415, all quality reps (squat was a bit shaky if anything).
This update is a bit long, but I had a good amount to update you guys on. I promise pictures will be posted, but I'm thinking at the end of cycle and end of PCT. Hoping I can pack some legit size on by then.
blongo804
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Thanks man! Glad you feel the same about front squats. I truly feel they're a "full body" movement for me. I took a hiatus from them for a while, but I think they're here to stay now. I had a soft goal of a 315 front squat before the year end, so I think it's time to really pursue that.
The libido, meh, so be it, I'll live. My fiance's libido is always tanked I think anyway on her birth control.. or maybe she just doesn't like me deep down LOL.
Either way, really excited to see what DMZ does for me in the next few weeks because so far so good!
blongo804
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Weight/PR Update:
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So two days back onto my strict diet after "staycation" diet, and weight is stabilizing back to 204. UGH. I guess it's true that I am eating at maintenance now, so i'll be turning it up a notch. I'll add 200 calories, just not sure if they should be from fat, carbs, or protein. Might just add 2tbsp/32g more peanut butter to my days since that'd be easy enough.
No real negative signs to note still besides libido feeling down. I should note though - my fiance and I have been quite stressed with wedding planning stuff, so it's tough to say if the dead libido is strictly DMZ. Otherwise pee is clear, lethargy isn't really out of the ordinary.
I do feel like my hunger is growing though. I literally feel like my body is crushing carbs because they don't fill me ever anymore unless it's 100g+ at a time. I haven't done any HIIT cardio in almost 2 weeks - out of both "I hate cardio" and "please stop making weight gain so hard" lol.
Yesterday I did PR in incline bench. After doing 3 sets of 10 solid/controlled reps at 140, I felt great and decided to kill a few pause singles.. Bumped up to 160, 170, 180, killed them all (1RM is 170-175ish, would have to check my log book). Decided to attempt some maxes, so went for 190, a little more so "touch & go", and hit that almost as fast as 180.. Still feeling good, added another 5lbs for 195 and decided that was my new max. It moved fast, probably could've hit a small grinder at 200-205, but I was happy enough with that.
If my hand wasn't an issue right now, I would really feel on top of my game. Can't believe how the weights are moving!! Gym aggression has been amazing too!
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So two days back onto my strict diet after "staycation" diet, and weight is stabilizing back to 204. UGH. I guess it's true that I am eating at maintenance now, so i'll be turning it up a notch. I'll add 200 calories, just not sure if they should be from fat, carbs, or protein. Might just add 2tbsp/32g more peanut butter to my days since that'd be easy enough.
No real negative signs to note still besides libido feeling down. I should note though - my fiance and I have been quite stressed with wedding planning stuff, so it's tough to say if the dead libido is strictly DMZ. Otherwise pee is clear, lethargy isn't really out of the ordinary.
I do feel like my hunger is growing though. I literally feel like my body is crushing carbs because they don't fill me ever anymore unless it's 100g+ at a time. I haven't done any HIIT cardio in almost 2 weeks - out of both "I hate cardio" and "please stop making weight gain so hard" lol.
Yesterday I did PR in incline bench. After doing 3 sets of 10 solid/controlled reps at 140, I felt great and decided to kill a few pause singles.. Bumped up to 160, 170, 180, killed them all (1RM is 170-175ish, would have to check my log book). Decided to attempt some maxes, so went for 190, a little more so "touch & go", and hit that almost as fast as 180.. Still feeling good, added another 5lbs for 195 and decided that was my new max. It moved fast, probably could've hit a small grinder at 200-205, but I was happy enough with that.
If my hand wasn't an issue right now, I would really feel on top of my game. Can't believe how the weights are moving!! Gym aggression has been amazing too!
blongo804
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Throughout the day. Not sure if it matters, but that's just how I chose to do it.
On training days (4 days/week), I dose around the following times: 15mg 6am, 15mg 1pm, 15mg 10pm.
Update coming below!
blongo804
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Update:
I'm just about a full 30 days in now after starting 7/15! Not a whole ton of new things to report. Muscle fullness feels like an all-time high, hunger is higher but controllable, waist has remained the same throughout the cycle, weight is still hovering between 205-206. I tried eating a bit extra this weekend, especially last night because I was out all day and barely ate. Had a bunch of ravioli's and ground turkey.. Weighed in at 209.4-6 (about 4lb increase compared to Sunday morning lol), waist was about 1.25" bigger.. Whoops!! I imagine i'll deflate by either tomorrow or Wednesday morning.
Strength still feels great, vascularity certainly seems improved. I'm noticing I'm much more vascular at all times of the day, not just during/post training, so that's nice to see. I think I mentioned my fiance noticing how "wide I am out of nowhere", and last week I was just told by a co-worker that I'm looking broader too, so it's interesting to see that people I see daily/almost daily are noticing size changes. I 100% believe my upper body blew up in width.
Honestly still no true negative effects either which I'm happy about! I just opened my 2nd/final bottle of Cadaver Candy and will be continuing the cycle until the bottle is gone. That should make the total cycle length about 7 weeks I believe.
I also took some bathroom mirror "selfies" last week to share. I am not too great at selfies, but figured I'd show current physique finally since the lighting is better in my bathroom than where I have my fiance take pictures for me. Pics will be below in a separate post from my phone.
I'm just about a full 30 days in now after starting 7/15! Not a whole ton of new things to report. Muscle fullness feels like an all-time high, hunger is higher but controllable, waist has remained the same throughout the cycle, weight is still hovering between 205-206. I tried eating a bit extra this weekend, especially last night because I was out all day and barely ate. Had a bunch of ravioli's and ground turkey.. Weighed in at 209.4-6 (about 4lb increase compared to Sunday morning lol), waist was about 1.25" bigger.. Whoops!! I imagine i'll deflate by either tomorrow or Wednesday morning.
Strength still feels great, vascularity certainly seems improved. I'm noticing I'm much more vascular at all times of the day, not just during/post training, so that's nice to see. I think I mentioned my fiance noticing how "wide I am out of nowhere", and last week I was just told by a co-worker that I'm looking broader too, so it's interesting to see that people I see daily/almost daily are noticing size changes. I 100% believe my upper body blew up in width.
Honestly still no true negative effects either which I'm happy about! I just opened my 2nd/final bottle of Cadaver Candy and will be continuing the cycle until the bottle is gone. That should make the total cycle length about 7 weeks I believe.
I also took some bathroom mirror "selfies" last week to share. I am not too great at selfies, but figured I'd show current physique finally since the lighting is better in my bathroom than where I have my fiance take pictures for me. Pics will be below in a separate post from my phone.
blongo804
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Okay here's my best selfie attempts. I believe on my old phone I have at least one or two different times shooting the same pose, so I'll have to dig those pics up for comparison sake.
It's hard to tell, but I have a decent imbalance in arm size. My right bicep is about 1.25" bigger than my left due to bowling for 13 years during my younger life. So don't mind if you catch that lol. I'm also pretty chest dominant, but it does seem to be shaping up better than it has been in the past.
I also have some other chub that will be gotten rid of once I'm done putting on some more legit mass. That will be another cycle..
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It's hard to tell, but I have a decent imbalance in arm size. My right bicep is about 1.25" bigger than my left due to bowling for 13 years during my younger life. So don't mind if you catch that lol. I'm also pretty chest dominant, but it does seem to be shaping up better than it has been in the past.
I also have some other chub that will be gotten rid of once I'm done putting on some more legit mass. That will be another cycle..
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blongo804
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Small Update:
Weight was about 207.6 this morning, waist back to normal (down 1.25" compared to yesterday). Those ravioli's and ground turkey on Sunday night really blew me up for Monday lol.
Had a great workout today. They've been going well, just not full potential because of my hand/wrist. I'm finally looking into a doctor to get this checked out. I really hope no bones are broken, but it's been a month now and pain has remained. Oh well.
I do want to say - the pump has been nasty lately. I'm actually starting to notice back pumps (expected), along with odd cramps that may or may not be DMZ related. My water intake has remained consistently high, but certain positions, I guess we'll say, leave me with spasms/cramps. For example, yesterday when I was drying my leg off after my shower, I managed to bend into a position that cramped up my calf. This doesn't feel ordinary. My delts and upper/lower traps also get a painful pump, especially the anterior delts.
Oh and I also think I'm noticing a bit more lethargy than usual. I'll see what happens after lunch today, but the post-lunch crash was REAL yesterday.. Like I literally considered going out to my car for a 15 minute nap. Had to intake about 200mg caffeine to wake up AND did end up taking a 15-30 minute power nap after work. Really not like me.
inb4 "should've been using a test base" haha
Weight was about 207.6 this morning, waist back to normal (down 1.25" compared to yesterday). Those ravioli's and ground turkey on Sunday night really blew me up for Monday lol.
Had a great workout today. They've been going well, just not full potential because of my hand/wrist. I'm finally looking into a doctor to get this checked out. I really hope no bones are broken, but it's been a month now and pain has remained. Oh well.
I do want to say - the pump has been nasty lately. I'm actually starting to notice back pumps (expected), along with odd cramps that may or may not be DMZ related. My water intake has remained consistently high, but certain positions, I guess we'll say, leave me with spasms/cramps. For example, yesterday when I was drying my leg off after my shower, I managed to bend into a position that cramped up my calf. This doesn't feel ordinary. My delts and upper/lower traps also get a painful pump, especially the anterior delts.
Oh and I also think I'm noticing a bit more lethargy than usual. I'll see what happens after lunch today, but the post-lunch crash was REAL yesterday.. Like I literally considered going out to my car for a 15 minute nap. Had to intake about 200mg caffeine to wake up AND did end up taking a 15-30 minute power nap after work. Really not like me.
inb4 "should've been using a test base" haha
Brienn8989
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Bro should of used a test base... haha just kidding. Try taurine around 5 grams a day for the back pumps/cramps.
blongo804
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Almost had me there! lol
Taurine does sound like a good idea. It is definitely cheap enough and has plenty of other benefits. Thanks for the suggestion!
I'll have to do some reading on methyl b12. Haven't heard of it until now. Thank you also for the suggestion! I do see that it's also nice and cheap.
Brienn8989
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If my bp is in check I’d add some ephedrine. It really kills my lethargy. Probably not the smartest thing but it’s worked wonders in the past.
Brienn8989
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Never knew that. Thanks for the info!
blongo804
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Definitely appreciate the info, Old Witch!
Small Update: Weighed in at 206.8 this morning, waist still measures the same as pre-cycle, so I'm up about 10lbs with no waist change at the moment. This is while still being at a 2-300 caloric surplus the whole time.
Off day today. I would be training 5 days a week rather than 4 if it wasn't for my hand. I did find a trustworthy doctor, somewhat local, that I will be seeing August 28th. Fingers crossed nothing too serious is wrong with my hand/wrist.
Small Update: Weighed in at 206.8 this morning, waist still measures the same as pre-cycle, so I'm up about 10lbs with no waist change at the moment. This is while still being at a 2-300 caloric surplus the whole time.
Off day today. I would be training 5 days a week rather than 4 if it wasn't for my hand. I did find a trustworthy doctor, somewhat local, that I will be seeing August 28th. Fingers crossed nothing too serious is wrong with my hand/wrist.
blongo804
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Thanks a ton! I'm really happy with the changes - especially being that people, that see me daily/almost daily, are noticing.
I'm just praying for no surgery.. Then all the gains will get wasted! I appreciate the kind thoughts though.
If I do need surgery, you bet we'll be hopping back on the "gain train" immediately after..
blongo804
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I've mentioned it throughout the thread, but i'll give a quick pro's/con's so-far summary:
Pro's
- Up 10lbs in about a month with no waist change
- Visually look bigger in my own eyes
- Visually look bigger to people who see me every day or almost every day
- Strength feels greater (on a scale of 1-5, 5 being significant, 1 being no gains, i'd say a 3-3.5 so far and that's WITH an injured left hand/wrist)
- Overall gym aggression is higher than usual
Con's
- Minor lethargy
- Minor or major libido loss. Dealing with several other stresses right now that are very likely impacting this.
- Just now, about a month in, starting to get minor cramp/spasm sensations. They don't come out of nowhere, but just seem to come on easier if I'm in a position that leaves me more susceptible to them, if that makes sense.
Hope this helps! These are my thoughts after about a month in. Aiming for 7-8 weeks total, however long my second bottle of DMZ lasts.
bic
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Isn't there SD in DMZ or am i reading it wrong
Old Witch
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It's an azine dimer of SD. That means it's two SD molecules joined by a nitrogen atom. It does not function as effectively (harshly) as SD the parent hormone.
DMZ does still have the potential to be as bad or almost as bad for some users, and Methylstenbolone has the potential to be as bad as M1T. They're both (DMZ and Msten) considered milder than SD still however by maybe only a rung or two.
If you want a lot milder, try dimethandrostenol or methyldiazirinol. Milder than that, Hexadrone or Max LMG, non methylated.
PoSiTiVeFLoW
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Interested in Max LMG, and dimethandrostenol and methyldiazirinol (17-a methyl derivative of DHT). I personally thought DMZ was a bit stronger than S-drol for mass effects, or about equal for me. Have M-Sten (but not tried it yet) and more SD and DMZ, but I found through blood work to get liver values back to fully restored... time off = 2x time-on. You can push time off = time on for a few cycles and use SARMS in between to maintain gains, before long PCT etc. But anyways, I digress. Don't forget the water and TUDCA and NAC.
And speaking of oral methyl steroids, anyone know much about Turinabol, T-bol? I hear it's good, but I would assume liver toxic like other methyl PH/orals?
Really at 38 I think more just using Test E, EQ, and perhaps classic gear but I have hard enough time with the self stabbing part of it. My 2.5 years of methyl PH/oral steroid cycles got me ~35-40 kept lbs of gains, so good, but may only want to run the currrent PH/methyl orals I have and not push my liver luck, lol.
On another note, Any advice on needle size and pain reduction, I use 26g and 1" for IM. Any thoughts on going slimmer with those oils? 27g-29g perhaps? I want less pain, but also not super slow injects either. What's the sweet spot?
Old Witch
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20 to draw and 26 to pin is pretty much perfect. I know some dudes who just use 22 for both. Ouch.
Old Witch
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Also, re re rereading about DMZ I finally noticed that the ketone position on SD (this thing =o )is replaced by a nitrogen atom ( so it becomes =N ) and then bonded to the same position on the pairing molecule to make DMZ. I thought the ketones retained their oxygen atoms and were bonded by a single nitrogen atom but this is not actually true, they replace the oxygen with nitrogen and then bond... Or is there another version with intact ketones which is responsible for those who say DMZ is just as harsh as SD...? The plot thickens.
PoSiTiVeFLoW
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Without a LOT of TUDCA and NAC and H20... DMZ, Sdrol, HaloDrol, etc... will make my ALT/AST values sky rocket, as shown in blood work post cycle. Later on I learned to also test for GGT, for total liver damage...
Fortunately I learned about on cycle support and PCT early on, so I didn't make too many errors in the past few years of methyl PH use. And my last GGT was 37. ALT and AST after 3 months off in PCT was normal range, back to lower end - good there.
Superdrol actually didn't spike my liver values worse than DMZ, so not all that bad, it was from Purerawz. I'll try one last bottle of Bodyconscious SDrol and report back on a log on AM sometime. I also have German Pharma M-Drol (DMZ) I can run bloods for fun and see how it goes. Probably my last methyl PH runs, stop by 40y/o... I'm mailing back two bottles of M1T and trading for LGD and YK-11. Why risk the liver when the gains can be had for half the risk or less?
christ83189
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Sh1t i use 23g and its just fine
christ83189
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With my on cycle support, the amount of water i drink i got my labs done with about a week left in my last cycle.
First 4 weeks
M1a 40mg
Dmz 30mg
Msten30mg
Lgd10mg
Dropped the m1a for the second month because everyone told me it was so toxic so i only got one bottle. So with about a week left i got labs done and my liver values were perfect, no sides at all except some night sweats/insomnia and a little lethargy until my test kicked in. Started the run on dermacrine and that didnt touch it, was in the process of getting on trt while i was on cycle so i finally got on test prob about 2 weeks in and then had to wait for it to kick in
Edit: so what im saying is if you got cycle supports on point drink lots of water and eat good clean food you should be good on these things but always get labs done to make sure
Renew1
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You are most definitely a very rare exception.
That's awesome though.
I'm jealous. Lol.