First Cycle - DMZ Solo

blongo804 said:
Update:

Hey guys, been a little while, so I'm here with an update.

Kind of in a funk today. The Mazda I just got and posted up here was tinted yesterday, looked awesome, then was hit by an 18-wheeler just 3 hours later. It's not terrible, but I'm pretty mad about it. His trailer crossed over into my lane (single, city lane on each side), and I was pinned with no where to go but to accept my fate. Bumper, fender, wheel, and my steering is messed up too. I'm okay at least, just down in the dumps as I've had the car for a mere 2-3 weeks.. Ugh.

Tried to channel some of my anger at the gym today. Woke up a bit drowsy, Hypermax wasn't really kicking me into groove, but I went with it. Did front squats and overhead press as the primaries today, with it being the first time doing OHP since June. I've just been itching to do it since my left shoulder is feeling 70-80% better, and just testing some lifts before I hop on a new training cycle (hopefully by October).

Front squats went okay. I intentionally didn't shoot for anything crazy, but the power/form was there.

OHP's went..surprisingly really well. Started very light at just the bar (1RM is 140-145lb) and felt good. Moved to 75lbs, then 95lbs, both of which moved like nothing. Moved to 110lbs, shoulder felt fine and weight moved fast. Moved to 125lbs and again, shoulder felt good, weight moved nice. 135lbs I hit for 5 reps.. What the.. Best I've done is a rough single (140-145 was also "meh" when I hit it), and now I just did 5 clean, fairly strict reps. Moving along, I forget what I did prior, but ended with a 165 1RM. Easily could've done 170-175, but I was cooked by this point. I'm absolutely shocked because I haven't touched OHP since June. I'm guessing with my bench where it's at, it's been supplementing my OHP since they're similar movements, which is pretty cool to see. When I did the 140-145lb or so OHP in June, my bench then was also only 210-215lbs, where it's 245lb 1RM now. It's neat how that works and definitely good to know. :D

As for nolva, I'm just over a week in, feel fine. Lethargy is much, much lower. I've been sleeping good, no ill effects otherwise. I'll be checking weight/waist on Wednesday and report back then.
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Dude that is a massive bummer. Hopefully insurance is squared away and taking care of it. Freaks me out a bit cuz I have been planning on getting a new truck soon.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
I find with all these cycles at least for my ectomorph frame, it's a 3 steps forward and 1-2 steps back each time you cycle off...

Next round, perhaps try going to DMZ and then say a SARM like LGD-4033 and then Ostarine, then PCT.

Probably need a test base for this longer cycle... Stay in the gain zone longer and see if you can get it to normalize at a new weight level. And use Novla or Clomid and maybe HCG even to boos test levels after cycle in PCT... To help body hold the mass?

Don't forget the almost monthly blood work!
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I'm starting to notice that! Kind of sucks, but my strength gains have mostly stayed at least so that's a plus.

That cycle sounds intense but could be worth a shot! I'm going to at least keep eating as much as I can and as reasonable as I can. I feel good right now. Macros are sitting around 400c, 110f, 250p and I'm still losing. Hopefully my weight flat lines here around 205lbs!

KingAnt said:
Dude that is a massive bummer. Hopefully insurance is squared away and taking care of it. Freaks me out a bit cuz I have been planning on getting a new truck soon.
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Definitely is. I'm STILL waiting to hear a peep from FedEx insurance. I'm guessing they're trying to figure out how they can weasel out of this one. No way I'm letting it go because this was 100% on their driver.

Best of luck on the new truck search! Always fun finding/getting a new vehicle!
 
Random Post:

Not really much to report, but it's the end of the day at work and I feel like having quick story time lol.

Today was a pretty heavy chest focused session. My chest is SLOWLY starting to form finally, and I do love benching nowadays so I want to keep at it. With that love for benching and doing it twice a week is taking a slight toll on the forearms/elbows though. I think it's really from overhead presses earlier this week + incline bench + bench today though. That's a lot of a similar movement my arms are performing, so I think i'll switch to primarily dumbbell variations of the big lifts next week. Maybe light compounds, but mostly dumbbells to let myself heal. It's not that I'm injured, just trying not to be.

Bench moved well though. Definitely hit a baby volume PR with 3x5 @ 185lbs, nothing special but whatever. Usually I use 185lb as a warm up when working toward 215+, so I don't normally do a 3x5 with it. I hit 225 for two singles - one clean, one not super clean (bar came too forward, butt came off bench to protect from certain death lol). I didn't feel like the power was there today, but endurance/drive felt great.

Overall, nolva dosing is still going well. No negative effects to note still. This Saturday, 9/22 will mark the 2nd full week on nolva, so i'll be moving to 10mg dosing on 9/23 for the following two weeks at that point. I mentioned it in my last post, but, for clarity, I've officially upped macros to:

390-400g carbs
115-120g fat
250-260g protein

If I've lost more weight by next week's weigh-in, i'll add another 2tbsp peanut butter to my days. I'll be shocked if I'm down again next week though lol. It seems my body is not happy being 205+. Even on cycle, the heaviest I got was 212 after MAD carbs the night before. I then deflated to 210 in a few days. I'm just going to keep my food intake consistently going up as needed, keep lifting heavy compounds, keep isolation lift volume high, and trust the process though! Still planning to do Layne's PHAT program, but I've been slacking trying to get my shoulder mobility back for back squats.

Anyway, I'm out for now. I may post tomorrow if I do anything spectacular at the gym - not expecting/planning to, but who knows.
 
Update:

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Down another pound this week, even after the calorie bump up. Admittedly I did miss a few days of creatine as the tub was sitting in my car that was hit that's now sitting at my parents'. I've dosed about 10g the past 3 days though.

Anyway, while I'm going down in weight, my strength hasn't really fallen off by a large margin. If anything maybe I lost some endurance and a little bit of strength - otherwise I still feel much stronger than I was.

My nolva dose is officially down to 10mg/day as of 9/23 as planned. Going to continue it for the next week and a half.

While I'm feeling a tad fluffy and losing weight as it is without even trying, I may just continue the trend, try to kill mad fat, and prepare for the next cycle. Maybe attempt a sort of recomp I guess. Keep fat moderate (.5g/lb), carbs lower (start at 1.5g/lb), protein high (1.5g/lb). I can easily cut a ton of carbs, add in cardio and burn some fat. I feel like this is my best option to make the next cycle as optimal as possible. Anyone have thoughts on that?

I'm just worried about putting on too much fat at this point at my current macros, but at the same time, I'm losing weight (likely water/glycogen?). Ugh, such a struggle..
 
blongo804 said:
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Down another pound this week, even after the calorie bump up. Admittedly I did miss a few days of creatine as the tub was sitting in my car that was hit that's now sitting at my parents'. I've dosed about 10g the past 3 days though.

Anyway, while I'm going down in weight, my strength hasn't really fallen off by a large margin. If anything maybe I lost some endurance and a little bit of strength - otherwise I still feel much stronger than I was.

My nolva dose is officially down to 10mg/day as of 9/23 as planned. Going to continue it for the next week and a half.

While I'm feeling a tad fluffy and losing weight as it is without even trying, I may just continue the trend, try to kill mad fat, and prepare for the next cycle. Maybe attempt a sort of recomp I guess. Keep fat moderate (.5g/lb), carbs lower (start at 1.5g/lb), protein high (1.5g/lb). I can easily cut a ton of carbs, add in cardio and burn some fat. I feel like this is my best option to make the next cycle as optimal as possible. Anyone have thoughts on that?

I'm just worried about putting on too much fat at this point at my current macros, but at the same time, I'm losing weight (likely water/glycogen?). Ugh, such a struggle..
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I think this is pretty normal... Good idea to lean up, see the real lbs gained without water-glycogen, and then start next cycle.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
I think this is pretty normal... Good idea to lean up, see the real lbs gained without water-glycogen, and then start next cycle.
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Yeah definitely normal I'd say too. It's just really interesting because I'm eating more than ever yet my weight is dropping. I was a bloated mess at 205, eating a little less than what I am now, when I tried an 8 week Vector run and immediately cut back down to 195 or so on purpose because I wasn't comfortable. I'm decently comfortable now at this weight, but it'd probably be a good idea to lean up in prep for my next cycle in December/January.

I think i'll finish up the week at my current macros and drop 500 calories off starting Sunday since I still have food to kill from this grocery order lol.

Cardio + 500 less calories starting next week it is! Yippee..
 
blongo804 said:
Yeah definitely normal I'd say too. It's just really interesting because I'm eating more than ever yet my weight is dropping. I was a bloated mess at 205, eating a little less than what I am now, when I tried an 8 week Vector run and immediately cut back down to 195 or so on purpose because I wasn't comfortable. I'm decently comfortable now at this weight, but it'd probably be a good idea to lean up in prep for my next cycle in December/January.

I think i'll finish up the week at my current macros and drop 500 calories off starting Sunday since I still have food to kill from this grocery order lol.

Cardio + 500 less calories starting next week it is! Yippee..
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Noooo! Don’t cut until you’re well done with pct. you need to try and keep every ounce of weight on you that you can.
 
Brienn8989 said:
Noooo! Don’t cut until you’re well done with pct. you need to try and keep every ounce of weight on you that you can.
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How far post-PCT would you say I should wait? I have about 1.5 weeks until done with the 4 week 20/20/10/10 as planned. Maybe give it another month after that until I start cutting? I am withering away fast, so probably not a bad idea to keep intake up.
 
blongo804 said:
How far post-PCT would you say I should wait? I have about 1.5 weeks until done with the 4 week 20/20/10/10 as planned. Maybe give it another month after that until I start cutting? I am withering away fast, so probably not a bad idea to keep intake up.
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I wouldn’t mess with it until your weight stabilizes.
 
Update:

End of the week, and almost end of my 3rd week on nolva. I have some findings to post.

So this week I purposely went lighter and used much less barbell, basically none. My forearms/wrists were fried from heavy pressing last week so I decided to take it light this week. I began the week on the wrong foot though - couldn't resist "heavy" hex/trap bar deadlifts, lost focus on a few reps meaning loss of tightness, and hurt something on my lower back. Luckily it was just aggravated as it got better as the week went on. By today I'm about 85-90% better, so hopefully good to go next week.

I took it easy every day after Monday and kept it at a 4 day week for training, so nothing too great to report except for today. I've been hitting chest twice a week lately. Usually I have a chest/tri and chest/shoulder day to really try to sculpt my chest better. Today I decided to try a feet up bench to better isolate my whole upper body. I have to say, my form felt pretty good right from the start. It's not like it's difficult to get into the proper position, but I was happy with how it felt after never doing it before. I worked up to a fairly easy 205lb triple after lots of reps prior (95x12, 135x12, 165x10, 185x5) as well as lots of shoulder work prior. I stopped at 205 just to not go too crazy. This felt good to me being that 245 is my best real bench single. The chest pump was juicy too. :D

Another thing to note - I've been noticing my personality coming back. I noticed i'm much more vocal at work, much more like my typical sarcastic self. I get mad at things more, happy about things more, etc. I'm guessing my test levels are being restored or are heightened right now from nolva. I just have an overall better personality at the moment like my old self. I noticed on DMZ that I became very quiet and distant from people at work, such as work friends that I usually went on walks with and what not during the day. It was likely the lethargy that is expected from DMZ without test base taking effect. Being on nolva for almost 3 weeks is now starting to show its colors I think because not much else has changed in the sleep/eating department that would play a role on my personality. Pretty cool stuff that I wanted to share. :)

Have a good weekend everyone!
 
Small Update:

Took a weekend trip to Ocean City, MD on Friday night, came home last night around 9PM. Needless to say, sleep was little and proper macros were off, but the mini-vacation was much needed. I don't drink, so my recovering liver is still okay lol. Tried a sip of two different drinks just to say "yep, tried it, good now", but that's it.

Anyway, this is my last week of my nolva protocol. I'll discontinue use after Saturday's dose. I have to confirm again, as I said before, that it's nice feeling how I feel again. My gym aggression is back, personality, etc etc. Good stuff. When do you guys suggest I get bloods drawn again to see where I'm at post-PCT?

Despite the weekend with little sleep and "meh" food intake (didn't kill it, but probably didn't get proper protein in), the gym this morning was great. Chest and tri's on deck, including "heavy" bench again after about 1.5 weeks off, and I felt real solid. Worked up to a few sets at 195 for 5-6 reps just trying to find a good middle ground for weight so I can keep volume higher plus did some back down sets for deadly pump. Did a few isolation lifts for good volume and ended up with numb triceps by the end of the session. I actually think my left triceps was bruised by the time I went in to shower lol. I think it looks okay now but found that interesting. Feels fine so whatever.

Just wanted to throw up some feels from today. Things are feeling great, body is feeling better. I'll weigh in on Wednesday as usual.
 
blongo804 said:
Small Update:

Took a weekend trip to Ocean City, MD on Friday night, came home last night around 9PM. Needless to say, sleep was little and proper macros were off, but the mini-vacation was much needed. I don't drink, so my recovering liver is still okay lol. Tried a sip of two different drinks just to say "yep, tried it, good now", but that's it.

Anyway, this is my last week of my nolva protocol. I'll discontinue use after Saturday's dose. I have to confirm again, as I said before, that it's nice feeling how I feel again. My gym aggression is back, personality, etc etc. Good stuff. When do you guys suggest I get bloods drawn again to see where I'm at post-PCT?

Despite the weekend with little sleep and "meh" food intake (didn't kill it, but probably didn't get proper protein in), the gym this morning was great. Chest and tri's on deck, including "heavy" bench again after about 1.5 weeks off, and I felt real solid. Worked up to a few sets at 195 for 5-6 reps just trying to find a good middle ground for weight so I can keep volume higher plus did some back down sets for deadly pump. Did a few isolation lifts for good volume and ended up with numb triceps by the end of the session. I actually think my left triceps was bruised by the time I went in to shower lol. I think it looks okay now but found that interesting. Feels fine so whatever.

Just wanted to throw up some feels from today. Things are feeling great, body is feeling better. I'll weigh in on Wednesday as usual.
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Sounds good bro. Just to echo what Brienn8989 said, don’t be too eager to cut (I’ve also made that mistake - absolutely tanked my test which hadnt fully recovered).

Enjoy how it’s going, keep pushing on (try to keep overloading some lifts to maintain that new mass) and then look at it in 1-2 months time (id get the bloods before I was planning to start the but btw)
 
Whisky said:
Sounds good bro. Just to echo what Brienn8989 said, don’t be too eager to cut (I’ve also made that mistake - absolutely tanked my test which hadnt fully recovered).

Enjoy how it’s going, keep pushing on (try to keep overloading some lifts to maintain that new mass) and then look at it in 1-2 months time (id get the bloods before I was planning to start the but btw)
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Definitely sticking with the high macros I've been hitting. This intake seems to be keeping my body happy as well as my lifting happy as the weights have remained "up" for me even a few weeks post-DMZ now. Very, very little strength has been lost I'd say. For example, on cycle bench max was 245, but I'm still hanging around 230-235 and that was while not feeling 100%.

If you say 1-2 months for post-PCT bloods, it sounds like I might as well wait until I'm about to start my next cycle (January is the plan!) since I'd be getting pre-cycle bloods anyway. That way I'll see 1) how well I recovered and 2) if I'm ready to cycle again - both at the same time! Thanks for the tip.
 
I'm about to run dmz for a 4 week run (last 4 weeks of my sarm cycle and a test base). 20 mgs 2X/ day of dmz.... sound good?? how are the gains holding up for you post cycle when you came off? any tips or suggestions once I start the dmz?
 
Pinggolfee96 said:
I'm about to run dmz for a 4 week run (last 4 weeks of my sarm cycle and a test base). 20 mgs 2X/ day of dmz.... sound good?? how are the gains holding up for you post cycle when you came off? any tips or suggestions once I start the dmz?
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That does sound good actually. I started with 30mgs but should've just started with 45mgs (mine were 15mg/pill).

Once I stopped DMZ, I started slowly losing water/glycogen it helped me hold onto while on, and with that lost me a bit of strength. Really though, after a couple weeks of nolva, my strength feels nearly identical while on DMZ, just a bit less if anything. I would say I also lost some size, as if I kind of deflated in a sense. I'm still overall bigger, but not how I was while on. Vein gains were nice and mostly still there as well. Overall I really liked DMZ, and this run has me craving more already! The lethargy was there but tolerable. With a legit test base I'm sure you'll be fine.
 
Bored last night and threw a couple pictures together that are right around a year apart. Maybe 13-14 months with 3 of those months taken off due to bad elbow/triceps area tendinitis (trained legs only in that time period).

Pictured is 205 on left as of yesterday vs 185 on right. No filter in either. Lighting is better in my latest picture obviously and I'm flexed a little more, but I think the differences are obvious.

Still a long way to go. Just wanna get these twig arms growing now. I'm overall happy with the direction I'm going though. Old me couldn't touch the weight I'm consistently moving now. Invalid Link Removed
 
Weigh in today shows weight back up a notch. Might be some water/glycogen from whatever I ate in Ocean City, MD this past weekend, could just be I'm eating enough to get back to and maintain 205. Waist measured the same 34.75" around belly button as it has been, so I'll take this! Invalid Link Removed
 
Small Update:

Not a whole lot to report. I'm definitely still feeling good. My last 10mg nolva dose is tomorrow night so we'll see how I feel without nolva. I have more than enough to keep going if I feel the need, but tomorrow is the end of the 20/20/10/10 ed protocol.

My lifts certainly aren't *as* strong, but that could be a number of factors. For example, on cycle incline bench 1RM = 220, off = 200. On cycle flat bench 1RM = 245, off = 230, etc etc, so just a few pounds here and there. Some lifts are still moving up whether it's weight or volume, so I'm fine with that. Overall I'm definitely MUCH stronger than I was, and being that I'm generally holding most of that strength, I call this cycle a success.

I'm now thinking about running MassMax again as that gave me a solid 7lbs on my last 8 week run with it. We'll see. Funds are tight right now with several bills I've recently been hit with including a stupid cyst removal procedure I'm having on 10/15. Ugh.

Oh yeah, I used OL Re1gn for the first time in a long time today. The stim shlong is so bad with this stuff. I think I get more "suppressed" down there with Re1gn than DMZ hahaha.
 
Small Update:

Weigh in coming tomorrow. Took a quick look at the gym scale and it said 206lbs, which was after 3 servings of pre-workout cereal, a bit over a quart of water, and an intense leg day. We'll see what I am on the scale while empty tomorrow morning and another waist measurement. Food intake has been consistently high.

Lifts today and yesterday felt great. Tweaked my shoulder a bit on one rep while benching yesterday, so stuck with legs only today. Did a ton of goblet squats and other leg accessories since I still can't back squat and now can't front squat with my tweaked shoulder. Goblet squats ended with 3x5 at 100lbs. I had much more in me but I did a TON before that. Legs were on fire by the end of today.

Overall my lifts feel great and still strong. Nolva ended with my last dose Saturday night and not feeling any worse!

Next Monday I have a small cyst removal procedure. It's right under my right upper trap, so I have a feeling I won't be doing any lifts with my back against a bench/seat for a little bit while the incision heals. We'll see what the doctor says. No idea where the cyst came from. Never had one. Slightly nervous for the surgery because surgeries just suck in general, but it's gotta go. I do get pain time to time, whether benching or not even touching it, so it'll be nice to get it removed. Sorry if this is "TMI" for anyone - just keeping the log real!

I'll check in tomorrow with weight and waist measurement! I may also call this log a day soon since cycle and PCT are over. When I get pre-next-cycle bloods, i'll be sure to throw them in here and in my new log. :)
 
Weigh In:

206.0lbs, 35.75" waist.

Waist grew a random inch in a week. I think this is water/glycogen retention. Pigged out pretty bad this weekend at dinner Saturday/Sunday and I feel like I'm still getting over some bloat (nasty burger/fries/chips at Chili's, nasty greasy Pizza Hut..poor life decisions but sometimes I need to get these gross food cravings out of my system lol). Not worried about it though as it falls off 99% of the time.

My shoulder also feels MUCH better today. I knew it was only a slight tweak, but letting it rest completely yesterday was much needed. Today is also a rest day to continue letting it heal. Tomorrow I have incline bench and barbell rows + accessories planned. Should be fun. :)
 
Final Update:

Hey guys, still alive and mostly well. Finally had this cyst removed on Monday and I'm in no condition for training. No one told me I'd have a drain tube coming out of the surgery spot..ugh. I've lost about 20cc's of blood/drainage since Monday, and this drain tube is supposedly being removed tomorrow. Fingers crossed!

Interesting note from surgery day.. I was so depleted after fasting 12 hours that it was hard to find a vein for my IV. It took 3 nurses and 3 attempts to get me. I absolutely hate IV's too, so of course this happened. I joking told them to pass me a dumbbell and some carbs and i'll make the veins appear lol. They didn't seem amused. </3

With me being out of training and basically incapable of doing anything, I've at least been doing some forearm strengthening movements with bands. Not only that, but I've drastically lowered my calories via carbs. I'm eating the same 110-120g fat, 240-250g protein, but only about 200g carbs compared to close to 400g. I'm taking this time to not only legitimately rest, but to also deflate a bit. My bloated mid section is finally flattening out, pretty quickly I have to say. I know it was suggested not to, but this is only temporary until I can get back into some heavy lifting. Plus I'm planning a pretty decent cycle in less than 3 months from now that I'm hoping to blow up on.

I think this is a good time to end the log too. I feel like it's been pretty thorough. Maybe not perfect, but it's a start for some future logs. I'll definitely log my next cycle that may consist of either a combination or all of M1T, Epistane, DMZ.. I just have those on hand thanks to a lovely member of this forum. I'm thinking M1T as a 1-2 week kicker, DMZ after, epi to finish, and possibly trest alongside them the whole time. We'll see how ballsy I'm feeling when the time comes lol. Super dose of cycle support, TUDCA, and AI on hand/in use the whole time of course. Still have to research trest some more though because I know it can be tricky. Keep your eyes peeled, gents!
 
blongo804 said:
Final Update:

Hey guys, still alive and mostly well. Finally had this cyst removed on Monday and I'm in no condition for training. No one told me I'd have a drain tube coming out of the surgery spot..ugh. I've lost about 20cc's of blood/drainage since Monday, and this drain tube is supposedly being removed tomorrow. Fingers crossed!

Interesting note from surgery day.. I was so depleted after fasting 12 hours that it was hard to find a vein for my IV. It took 3 nurses and 3 attempts to get me. I absolutely hate IV's too, so of course this happened. I joking told them to pass me a dumbbell and some carbs and i'll make the veins appear lol. They didn't seem amused. </3

With me being out of training and basically incapable of doing anything, I've at least been doing some forearm strengthening movements with bands. Not only that, but I've drastically lowered my calories via carbs. I'm eating the same 110-120g fat, 240-250g protein, but only about 200g carbs compared to close to 400g. I'm taking this time to not only legitimately rest, but to also deflate a bit. My bloated mid section is finally flattening out, pretty quickly I have to say. I know it was suggested not to, but this is only temporary until I can get back into some heavy lifting. Plus I'm planning a pretty decent cycle in less than 3 months from now that I'm hoping to blow up on.

I think this is a good time to end the log too. I feel like it's been pretty thorough. Maybe not perfect, but it's a start for some future logs. I'll definitely log my next cycle that may consist of either a combination or all of M1T, Epistane, DMZ.. I just have those on hand thanks to a lovely member of this forum. I'm thinking M1T as a 1-2 week kicker, DMZ after, epi to finish, and possibly trest alongside them the whole time. We'll see how ballsy I'm feeling when the time comes lol. Super dose of cycle support, TUDCA, and AI on hand/in use the whole time of course. Still have to research trest some more though because I know it can be tricky. Keep your eyes peeled, gents!
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That’s a pretty intense second cycle brother. You can only gain so much haha I won’t even touch m1t solo let alone with others. If I were you I’d scale it back. I know it’s hard when you have all of those on hand but I’d do a bit more reading.m1t is the strongest thing you can get your hands on.
 
Brienn8989 said:
That’s a pretty intense second cycle brother. You can only gain so much haha I won’t even touch m1t solo let alone with others. If I were you I’d scale it back. I know it’s hard when you have all of those on hand but I’d do a bit more reading.m1t is the strongest thing you can get your hands on.
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Yeah three methyl PH in one cycle (even with hecka h20 and TUDCA) might have you liver values pretty elevated.

Maybe split them up. Especially if you have Trest too.
 
Great cycle! I've ran DMZ solo before and was blown away with my results! serious compound, strength went through the ROOF
 
Brienn8989 said:
That’s a pretty intense second cycle brother. You can only gain so much haha I won’t even touch m1t solo let alone with others. If I were you I’d scale it back. I know it’s hard when you have all of those on hand but I’d do a bit more reading.m1t is the strongest thing you can get your hands on.
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Good thoughts. I have read M1T is really, really strong, which is why I figured maybe only a week or two of it just to get started, but maybe i'll do DMZ as a kicker and finish with Epi for some good gains. Not sure, just kind of throwing ideas out there for now. So many routes to take lol. Thanks for your thoughts as always! Trest and DMZ sounds fun too..
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Yeah three methyl PH in one cycle (even with hecka h20 and TUDCA) might have you liver values pretty elevated.

Maybe split them up. Especially if you have Trest too.
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I do agree.. I'll figure something out. Still lots of time left at least. Can't wait to get back on though!
TRENNNNN said:
Great cycle! I've ran DMZ solo before and was blown away with my results! serious compound, strength went through the ROOF
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Oh yeah I'm stunned by the strength increase and the fact that I've kept most of it. Definitely came out of cycle stronger than I was, and I really had basically no side effects besides tolerable lethargy and tanked libido. Glad to hear your thoughts as well.
 
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