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booneman77 said:
Bitter melon is used in a lot of supplements, often as a weight loss agent. It will help by INCREASING NO which will in turn increase vasodilation and this lower blood pressure.
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ok, that make sense :) i think i saw it indeed on a pre wo supplement :)

what about my weight man, any clue?
 
Xrkc6x said:
ok, that make sense :) i think i saw it indeed on a pre wo supplement :) what about my weight man, any clue?
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sometimes you can have what Lyle McDonald calls a "whoosh" where you won't lose anything for awhile (can be days or even weeks) and then rapidly (in a day or so) drop a bunch of water and a little fat, making your look and weigh much less. Unless you've changed something in your diet, training, or compounds that's really the only explanation.
 
booneman77 said:
sometimes you can have what Lyle McDonald calls a "whoosh" where you won't lose anything for awhile (can be days or even weeks) and then rapidly (in a day or so) drop a bunch of water and a little fat, making your look and weigh much less. Unless you've changed something in your diet, training, or compounds that's really the only explanation.
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Yeah man didn't change anything really, so I guess you right, I'm not sad about it, actually I'm happy, I'll post some pics later :)
 
hello guys and i wish you all a great week start!

this morning my stats were

176cm
71kg
6.2 % fat

pretty happy :)

i have decided to run 12 weeks and i went up to 130mg a day, i have increased the liver support/pressure support/prostate support/TUDCA and AI i am taking to support the cycle too.

monitoring continuously the pressure which is great till now :)

i went to 7g of omega 3 a day too.

today is chest day :) im excited :)
 
some pics update

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feel free to comment and tell me everything you think it may help me to improve my results :)
 
i am still here guys, even if i dont know if this thread is of any interest to anybody but i am here! ahahah

i had my chest sesh on monday

10-8-6-4-4 incline bench with 22kg/14kg/26kg/30kg/30kg --> i know it is not too much but i was doing max of 22 before starting and keep in mind i am not a body builder :)

flat bench i have performed the same and this is really good as i was already "tired" cause of the 1st exercise, well... i can't say "tired" anymore to be honest ahahahah as i have energy to train 2/3 times a day lol

i then did flys (sorry if this is the wrong way to call it) with 16kg on incline and flat 4x8

yesterday was my back day

i did 10-8-6-6-4-4 chin ups going up with the weight on my belt, i did the last one with 30kg on the belt :) BOOOM!
same thing on the lat machine, 10-8-6-6-4-4 i went up to 110kg

then rowing

10-8-8-6-4 ended up to 35kg each side plus the 20kg iron bar

the dead lifts

10-8-6-4-2

last set with 110kg plus bar

today i have my biceps and i am going to smash it!

health wise, i feel a bit "tired" during the day... but when i hit the gym i feel good and .... guys..... nobody tells me that these "pumps" were going to be soooooooo fu***** hard and big! its amazing the way the muscle get ripped and pumped even after a small set of 8 rep with a low weight! its sick! i am pretty much happy till now and it seems also that every time i eat, i get more ripped and pumped, not in the way it use to be when you eat for example lot of sugar, i mean really pumped and ripped and regardless of what you eat its just do the magic!

i am going to run the cycle for total of 12 weeks, i started thinking to 8, then i said 10 but now, it seems to be really hitting me and therefore i will run the cycle for 12, i am still taking all the supplementation to "help" my liver/prostate/sugar/cholesterol/pressure.

lots of omega 3 i went up to 6g a day and i added glucosamine as i am really feeling pain on all of my joints...

thanks for reading :)
 
Tomorrow blood work will be done, so I will know how I am doing after 7 weeks, I will then post results guys
 
Removing the ai should help your joints too.
 
Nice, so you eat more and feel more ripped. I have this crazy phobia in my head about eating. I am working on eating more.
YA my elbows are smoked. I'm only on weeks 3, but I am starting to feel more pumped and libido is insane.
I like reading your posts your only a few weeks ahead of me so works out well.
Feel free to shoot any advice my way from your experience.
 
todd.tdog said:
Nice, so you eat more and feel more ripped. I have this crazy phobia in my head about eating. I am working on eating more.
YA my elbows are smoked. I'm only on weeks 3, but I am starting to feel more pumped and libido is insane.
I like reading your posts your only a few weeks ahead of me so works out well.
Feel free to shoot any advice my way from your experience.
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this is the end of my 7th week mate, pumps are impressive and everything is good but my libido is slowly going away...... i am using alpha pharma and i have tested it with labmax so its legit, the stuff is amazing so far and my gains are really good, but its start to become a but hard... sometime i feel "toxic" lol, ill have blood work done tomorrow and see my levels, hopefully LH and FSH will be tested too with Test
 
Ya I have a prescription sitting there for blood work so gonna get mine in a few weeks.
Toxic how? I mean my elbows are smoked but so far all else is good to go.
Did you say you were taking var too?
 
todd.tdog said:
Ya I have a prescription sitting there for blood work so gonna get mine in a few weeks.
Toxic how? I mean my elbows are smoked but so far all else is good to go.
Did you say you were taking var too?
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im taking var 130mg a day
proviron 75mg a day
dermacrine 5 pumps a day
ar1macare 4 caps a day

and ither supplements :)

the var is shutting me down, i know that.... and sometime i feel really bad, like, sick... dunno if this is coming from var but it happened and its happening still, its really rare but is there.

my joints are ****ed completely and i am always feel hungry and often angry :)
 
todd.tdog said:
Nice, so you eat more and feel more ripped. I have this crazy phobia in my head about eating. I am working on eating more.
YA my elbows are smoked. I'm only on weeks 3, but I am starting to feel more pumped and libido is insane.
I like reading your posts your only a few weeks ahead of me so works out well.
Feel free to shoot any advice my way from your experience.
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You guys are running pretty different cycles as yours is based around test and Xrkc6x is basically just the var... results and sides are gonna be totally different except for a few things like pumps.

with real test, your libido will be sky high through your cycle.

As for the "toxic" feeling... that sounds really bad. I have a feeling when you get your bloods back theyre gonna show some awful liver and lipid values... Oral cycles are extremely harsh and you're on a long one.
 
booneman77 said:
You guys are running pretty different cycles as yours is based around test and Xrkc6x is basically just the var... results and sides are gonna be totally different except for a few things like pumps.

with real test, your libido will be sky high through your cycle.

As for the "toxic" feeling... that sounds really bad. I have a feeling when you get your bloods back theyre gonna show some awful liver and lipid values... Oral cycles are extremely harsh and you're on a long one.
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probably you are right... i will then act to fix the "issue"... hopefully this wont be the case tho as i would be really surprised as im taking all the precautions to avoid this, even more than usual.

lets see i will post results guys, im leaving now, going for a triceps sesh :)
 
ok this morning i had the following blood test:

FSH/LH/Test Hormones
Prostate
Tyroid
Kidneys
Liver
Sugar

i will have results next week on Wednesday probably, i will post then
 
so i will have my test results on wed later on Thursday :) ill post it here then :)
 
Guys still waiting for my blood work records, I should get it tomorrow and then I'll post the pics.
 
ok guys i just got my results... so, i would say... a result like this was obviously expected, i have so much strength and when i am training i feel like a king BUT i feel **** all day and tired and sad and everything.... and this is the reason why.... my test is 1.9 and it should be between 7 and 31!!!!!! and my cortisol levels are high! liver is okish... so... it is 110% anavar will shut you down :) i knew this :( so i am not complaining but i need some suggestions, the GP told me that he will consult a specialist lol, i told him what i am taking and he is cool about this but he wanted to consult a specialist and help me, but we both know that i will start my PCt with nolvadex and all other supplements, so, what should i do? stop? start PCT now? what?

thanks

below my results :)

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The only thing I'd be worried about is the "liver function test - low ALP"... Not sure what this means but it sounds bad. What did the doc say about your liver values (as they're not actually listed anywhere here)?... Also, theres no lipids (HDL/LDL) here? Cortisol is a bit high too... maybe need to get some more rest in there.

Obviously your test and all your other major hormones are gonna be out of whack due to the cycle... so having those be 0 is expected.
 
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Alp low IS good :) well comparing with the high sides

Ok then there IS no hdl and ldl he Disney prescribe it :(

What should I do? Finish?
 
Your alt is pretty high. That's to be expected with orals but it's still dangerous. It's really up to you as nothing is crazy bad on there. If it was me I'd continue but prob not for 12 weeks. That's way too long for any oral and your liver will hate you.
 
Yes You right, ALT is high but doctor said its cause of muscles and training, I had tests before and it was always as now especially if taken after a workout day :)

I'll probably do 10 weeks :) as you suggested, any advice on pct?

I was thinking
Nolva 40/40/40/40/20/20
DAA
ERASE PRO
ENDOSURGE TURBO
ABe elite
Ara

Let me know what you think
 
Xrkc6x said:
Yes You right, ALT is high but doctor said its cause of muscles and training, I had tests before and it was always as now especially if taken after a workout day :) I'll probably do 10 weeks :) as you suggested, any advice on pct? I was thinking Nolva 40/40/40/40/20/20 DAA ERASE PRO ENDOSURGE TURBO ABe elite Ara Let me know what you think
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You prob don't need 6 weeks but it also won't hurt much (might be a bit rough on your liver still). 4-5 is pretty standard. I would do 40/40/20/20 and maybe another 20 if you're really cautious. Other supports look good except I would add reduce xt to control your already high cortisol (which will spike during pct anyways)
 
Ill have a look on reduce St thx!
 
Do you think taking nolva all in one go would be better? or two daily doses of 20mg? So 40mg in one day.

Also I'd like to start next week as this is the 10th week but there will be Xmas and gym here will be closed 25/26 so you think will it make any difference? Just want to do things right.

Also, one question, my thyroid is low... Means that MY metabolism IS really slow? My estrogen is also missing so I can't understand if I should take ai or not or if proviron is shutting down my ai which is not good as well as you mentioned many times... Help please?

RE pct, of course I would add tudca and supplements liver oriented too, any suggestions here?

PS erase pro old or new formula?

Thanks a lot guys
 
I did a research and actually TSH low and T4 normal means hyperthyroidism and not hypothyroidism :)

Still waiting for the other info if anybody has the responses :)
 
Xrkc6x said:
Do you think taking nolva all in one go would be better? or two daily doses of 20mg? So 40mg in one day. Also I'd like to start next week as this is the 10th week but there will be Xmas and gym here will be closed 25/26 so you think will it make any difference? Just want to do things right. Also, one question, my thyroid is low... Means that MY metabolism IS really slow? My estrogen is also missing so I can't understand if I should take ai or not or if proviron is shutting down my ai which is not good as well as you mentioned many times... Help please? RE pct, of course I would add tudca and supplements liver oriented too, any suggestions here? PS erase pro old or new formula? Thanks a lot guys
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Nolva I believe has a 24hr+ half life so no real reason to split the doses.

Don't worry about a day or two off. Won't make a difference so long as you're eating enough.

If estro is super low (like we thought) stop dosing your ai or lower significantly. Not only will low e hamper gains but it'll make you feel like crap (like you are) and have zero libido. Also, Nolva will control estrogen so you don't want to double crush it so definitely back off.

I'd go with new epro just because it's a milder ai and will have better fat loss properties.

Just make sure to keep your supports going for awhile as you don't want your liver to give out. It's already taken a beating and you're just adding more oral supplements in pct.
 
Ok master will do.
RE estrogens --> we don't actually know if they are too low or not, I stopped taking AD-3 some time ago as you suggested, I'm only thinking that maybe I'll take out of the picture proviron which shut your estro down too... What you think? Also I have calculated I could go ahead for 2 more weeks depending on how I'll feel end of this one, in the meantime ill prepare my pct, need to get erase, I got the rest.

Let me know what you think and thanks really a lot for all your help
 
Xrkc6x said:
Ok master will do. RE estrogens --> we don't actually know if they are too low or not, I stopped taking AD-3 some time ago as you suggested, I'm only thinking that maybe I'll take out of the picture proviron which shut your estro down too... What you think? Also I have calculated I could go ahead for 2 more weeks depending on how I'll feel end of this one, in the meantime ill prepare my pct, need to get erase, I got the rest. Let me know what you think and thanks really a lot for all your help
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Ya Id take anything that's lowering estro out as there's just no reason to crush it low. Run the epro for 8weeks as it has better results with longer use, especially for fat loss.

8wks epro
4-8wks reduce xt for cort (if you go just 4 you can start this a week or two into pct as levels won't get worse right away. Since yours are high already Id just get 8wks worth tho especially if you go the full extra 2 wks on cycle)
 
Ok, I'll start reduce xt now even on cycle and start erpro with the other products at the beginning of my pct and I'll wait two more weeks and see how I feel, at the mo, I have a bad cold so probably that one as well is contributing in making me feeling sh**
 
Today my last day, after 10 weeks starting tomorrow pct
 
todd.tdog said:
What are your stats? How did it go?
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70.5 kg
6.5 % body fat
176 cm

Started at 64.9 kg with 4.8% body fat

In pretty much happy but I feel bad guys honestly, my test is at 1.9 and it should be between 7 and 31 and I need to recover so tomorrow start pct as follow

Nolvadex 40/40/40/40/20
ABE
ARA
Forsk-95
Alpha T2
Endosurge Turbo
DAA
ERASE PRO new formula
Reduce xt
Aram1care
Liver supplements

Hopefully the above crazy pct will help me, please let me know if you have any suggestions
 
Why the heck are you worried about having low test? That ALWAYS happens on cycle? That's what shutdown is
 
booneman77 said:
Why the heck are you worried about having low test? That ALWAYS happens on cycle? That's what shutdown is
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I'm not worried mate, I'm just saying im feeling **** :( shutted down
 
Mate only issue I have is I just realised my nolva is 25mg per tablet, would it be ok 50mg a day? Then 25mg?
 
So to recap and make things clear I will run the following PCT for 8 weeks (nova only for 4 or 5)

Nolvadex 40/40/40/40/20
ARA
ABE
Erase PRO
AR1MACARE
Reduce XT
Glycerol Monostereate
ALCAR
Endosurge Turbo
DAA
Cycle Assist
Jarrow pressure support
R-ALA
Norcodrene
Alpha t-2
Forks-95

Can't wAit to start, this is going to be interesting!

A question tho... Ara is supposed to be taken without omega 3 that's what I've found here on the board,but, coming off the cycle I might need omega3, so what your suggestions?
 
That's a kitchen sink pct haha. You don't have to run the cycle supps all 8 weeks. Just while on the serm.

For the fish oil or any anti inflammatory just dose it 4+ hrs away from your ara.
 
booneman77 said:
That's a kitchen sink pct haha. You don't have to run the cycle supps all 8 weeks. Just while on the serm.

For the fish oil or any anti inflammatory just dose it 4+ hrs away from your ara.
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Thanks! Yes it is man, a hahahah I'll be pumped lol, hopefully getting leaner and keeping the gains. Also, what dosage would you suggest with ara? 4cp ed? Which is 1g or like suggested here http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/246394-arachidonic-acid-help.html 1,5/2g?

Thx
 
booneman77 said:
start at 1g and you can add 1 cap at a time after two weeks or so if you want. I'm at week 6 and just hit 6 caps myself.
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Hum..... Is it that strong? So basically you need 4 bottles to run it properly for 50 days lol, why not starting at 6?
 
Xrkc6x said:
Hum..... Is it that strong? So basically you need 4 bottles to run it properly for 50 days lol, why not starting at 6?
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Also, on the bottle says no more than 4 lol but I assume it's not to consider, also, all in one go? As a pre wo?
 
start at 4 as a) you may not need more then that (why spend all the extra money?) and b) some people get headaches and such at first when using too much too fast.

if youre getting good pumps, DOMS, and all the right signs by week 3-4 then no reason to up the dose.
 
Ok! Im heading to the gym now, as first day on the new products I am already feeling booom! Maybe placebo, I'm going to have my glycerol monoesterate with alcarn and ara now :)
 
Ok, guys, I am AMAZED!!! I don't know if it's the nova or the other supplements I'm taking but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE believe me, im feeling the MASTER OF THE UNIVERSES!! Ahahahahahah im the alpha male! I'm the only one! You see my enthusiasm!? I'm feeling great!, full of energy, full of strength, not lethargic anymore, no tired anymore, the strength is still there, I have been able to do same weights and also even have more endurance and stamina fighting! That's amazing guys, and, not to mention that I dropped 1,5kg in 5 days and I'm incredibly more leaner than when I was on the gear! I'm actually starting to see all the benefits of the stuff I took for 10 weeks! I'm so happy guys I wanted to share this with you, sorry if I look silly but this is amazing and it's just they 5th day!
 
I was not carrying lot of water mate I was just feeling **** and tired all time anyway yes I think you right the weighting loosing now is the water, hopefully I muscles yet :)
 
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