FINAL WEEK OF H-DROL
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dre alvarez
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Yea I thought so. Never heard of tapering down..maybe tapering up lol.
dre alvarez
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Quick question guys...why is it recommended to run creatine and a cell volumizer as part of pct? I don't want to gain any water weight...so on hand I have sns magnesium creatine chelate but I ordered some KA since is less with water rentention.
flipsry09
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to help keep your gains.
dre alvarez
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Thought so..I never been a big fan of creatine honestly but I order some KA from sifit since if dosent putt water in between your skin and muscle. I might get some N.O also..probably nitrix or super pump..idk
flipsry09
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For N.O products I'd recommend either White Flood or Jack3d. They both have creatine mono it.
dre alvarez
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Yea, white flood is nice. Never tried jack3d, heard is a good n.o though. Animal pump is pretty good but trying to keep up with all those pill is a hassel.
dre alvarez
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9/10 on my book. Is great for cutting and recomp. You will need to bottles if u decide to go up to 75mg. 60caps 50mg a day = 30 days...I recommend, 50/75/75/75/75/75..that's should do u well. U won't see any significant results until the 3 or 4 week, that's why I say go with 6 wks total.
flipsry09
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Yea Im taking March off from doing chest/shoulders do to a bad shoulder pain, I think it's tendonitus. April will be recomp going light getting back into it, and May is when I planned on running H-Drol. Was thinking about using Winny, but Winny has a lot more impact on your joints and such. If I'm wrong, correct me.
dre alvarez
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Yea dude, get going! Lol. As far as winny, meaning winabol? Winabol, is considered the 1 of the mildest compound. Is non-methylated, so kidney and liver toxic is really minimal..it does increase bp slighty, not much. Is great for cutting!...joints takes a toll on any ph/ds cycles but take fish oil, it'll do u wonders. Winabol is rarely ran solo, its mostly stacked with methylated compounds like (hdrol, p-mag, m-drol, havoc, etc.) Great choice for cutting and keeping unwanted sides to a degree.
dre alvarez
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So today, is my last day on H-Drol...I'm feeling sad the cycle is almost done. Well with that being said, I guess is time for me to scale on my personal experience right? Ok, let's get to it..
effectiveness - is great, point blank. But it took so long to kick in, it took exactly half way through 3 weeks @ 75mg for it to have its effectiveness going but after it kicks in, you don't want to get off!
Strength - its good, not great but good (then again I was cutting) but again, it took a while for strength to kick in and once it did, is really noticeable. Deadlifts went from 185 8x - 225 8x, bench went from 225 4x - 225 10x, I'm squating 255 5x ( full squats) pretty good for me
Recomp/cuts - now this was amazing! I kid you not, in 3 days it was noticeable. By the 3-4 week I dropped 3-4% bf..that's 1 percent per week! Lol and while muscle looking hard and dry. Simply amazing but diet is key and that's with minimal cardio.
Stamina/endurance - pretty good to say I was on a low carb diet and carbs are the main source for energy. So it did me well...but I also added CL purple wraath in wk 3 and it did wonders...still doing wonders lol
pumps/vascularity - pumps were beast! Amazing..after a couple of light weight warm-up sets, iyou can feel muscles getting tight and pumped...better than any N.O products I've taken and it'll last all damn day. And the veins is noticeable as well,
Its great on its own..no need for N.O while on cycle, save it for pct.
Side effects - besides my BP going up on week 2 (taking caffeine while on was simply dumb) I have to say, none at all. No side effects, h-drol is consider mild. But part of it has to be my support supps. Cycle assist is a great all-in-one (I recommend this), fish oil, flax seed oil, taurine..everybody know is great for back pumps but is a underrated supp, that's great for BP and its a effective anti-oxidant, NOW anti oxidants, NOW silymarin, and primeforce lean green. Yes, I spent over 400 bucks but is well worth it, if you want a safe and effective cycle.
Overall - 9.2/10...didn't give it a 10. because I didn't get as much size and strength and it took so long to kick in. But this a great product, I recommend this for any one that's looking to cut/recomp and having minimal sides.
I will run a log soon, after my pct. I start pct tomorrow and will post my first wk of pct, sometime next week.
effectiveness - is great, point blank. But it took so long to kick in, it took exactly half way through 3 weeks @ 75mg for it to have its effectiveness going but after it kicks in, you don't want to get off!
Strength - its good, not great but good (then again I was cutting) but again, it took a while for strength to kick in and once it did, is really noticeable. Deadlifts went from 185 8x - 225 8x, bench went from 225 4x - 225 10x, I'm squating 255 5x ( full squats) pretty good for me
Recomp/cuts - now this was amazing! I kid you not, in 3 days it was noticeable. By the 3-4 week I dropped 3-4% bf..that's 1 percent per week! Lol and while muscle looking hard and dry. Simply amazing but diet is key and that's with minimal cardio.
Stamina/endurance - pretty good to say I was on a low carb diet and carbs are the main source for energy. So it did me well...but I also added CL purple wraath in wk 3 and it did wonders...still doing wonders lol
pumps/vascularity - pumps were beast! Amazing..after a couple of light weight warm-up sets, iyou can feel muscles getting tight and pumped...better than any N.O products I've taken and it'll last all damn day. And the veins is noticeable as well,
Its great on its own..no need for N.O while on cycle, save it for pct.
Side effects - besides my BP going up on week 2 (taking caffeine while on was simply dumb) I have to say, none at all. No side effects, h-drol is consider mild. But part of it has to be my support supps. Cycle assist is a great all-in-one (I recommend this), fish oil, flax seed oil, taurine..everybody know is great for back pumps but is a underrated supp, that's great for BP and its a effective anti-oxidant, NOW anti oxidants, NOW silymarin, and primeforce lean green. Yes, I spent over 400 bucks but is well worth it, if you want a safe and effective cycle.
Overall - 9.2/10...didn't give it a 10. because I didn't get as much size and strength and it took so long to kick in. But this a great product, I recommend this for any one that's looking to cut/recomp and having minimal sides.
I will run a log soon, after my pct. I start pct tomorrow and will post my first wk of pct, sometime next week.
dre alvarez
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Oh okay lol...the big boy...don't know much bout that one
hoopem6
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Nice review bro!
For PCT are you sticking with the OTC stack you previously mentioned, or did you end up purchasing a SERM?
dre alvarez
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Thanks hp. Yea dude, I'm sticking with the otc for pct. Looking add a great test booster for a "bridge" sort of speak, I do not want to lose any dry gains (a lot of money spent). Is either diesel hardcore, biotivia bio forge, ds activate xtreme, beast super test, or AX hard FX. Any suggestions?
dre alvarez
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Weight went from 177lbs 12% bf to 181lbs @ 9% bf..I will post before/after pics soon
flipsry09
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not trying to say you're lying, but what method of measurement did you use? thats some amazing gains for H-Drol. Also, any pains in the left side or lower back pumps?
dre alvarez
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I did experience left minor left side pains and minor back pumps but I supplemented with taurine and it cleared it out. I will post some pics up soon and you'll tell me what u think
dre alvarez
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And I used the skinfold capular.
dre alvarez
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dre alvarez
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Today was my first day of pct. everything is going well. Remember that, diet and training is KEY. I've been lifting for 2yrs consistantly, so I been pretty cut up and h-drol HELPED supply my needs. If you want results, your diet is gotta be on point and let the other supps help you, do not think that a supplement is going to replace nutrition and workout regiment. I'm 25 so, h-drol was the perfect for my age. If you plan on running a cycle, make sure you're at least 22-23, that should be enough time for your body hormones to max out naturally.
dre alvarez
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So, I'm almost a week into my pct. Haven't lost any weight but did lose some water weight (lean xtreme is a great fat burner). However, i m experiencing side effects that's come with having low testosterone levels. Side effects are : fatigue, mood swings, irrabilty, and short temper. But, is getting better. I'm on
Purus labs reCycle - real good all-in-one support for balancing hormones
DS lean xtreme - great for recomp, cutting, and cortisol control. I highly recommend this product.
Activate xtreme - good test booster, its helping me recover and maintain strength gains.
Kre-alkalyn - the best creatine in my opinion, since you get the benefits of strength but also no bloat or water rentention.
I'm starting Sns inhibit-e in week 2, since estrogen rebound typically happens later in pct. Going with OTC should suffice, especially with the line up I'm running.
Supplements looking to add -
Biotivia bio forge - since I'm almost out of activate xtreme, I'm going to run bio forge. Great reviews on strength, vascularity, and lean muscle gains. The ingredients is noting special but a great blend of forkskolin, I3C, epimedium, and other goodies lol.
Muscle gauge nutrition pure isolated protein - haven't tried it but for what I see, is one of the best isloated wheys. Only 104 cals, 1g carb, 25g protein in 1 sc. No added sucralose or dextrose. Is sweetened by stivia. Going with chocolate caramel lol
Bsn N.O xlpode N-T - tried the original one, Pretty decent until it got overrated and it just became weak to me. Now looking foward to see what pt. 2 brings, bsn added milk thistle, NAC, and some creatine magnesium chelate...no mono thank god lol.
Well ill keep posting during this pct, hopefully I'll be good to go by sring break!
Purus labs reCycle - real good all-in-one support for balancing hormones
DS lean xtreme - great for recomp, cutting, and cortisol control. I highly recommend this product.
Activate xtreme - good test booster, its helping me recover and maintain strength gains.
Kre-alkalyn - the best creatine in my opinion, since you get the benefits of strength but also no bloat or water rentention.
I'm starting Sns inhibit-e in week 2, since estrogen rebound typically happens later in pct. Going with OTC should suffice, especially with the line up I'm running.
Supplements looking to add -
Biotivia bio forge - since I'm almost out of activate xtreme, I'm going to run bio forge. Great reviews on strength, vascularity, and lean muscle gains. The ingredients is noting special but a great blend of forkskolin, I3C, epimedium, and other goodies lol.
Muscle gauge nutrition pure isolated protein - haven't tried it but for what I see, is one of the best isloated wheys. Only 104 cals, 1g carb, 25g protein in 1 sc. No added sucralose or dextrose. Is sweetened by stivia. Going with chocolate caramel lol
Bsn N.O xlpode N-T - tried the original one, Pretty decent until it got overrated and it just became weak to me. Now looking foward to see what pt. 2 brings, bsn added milk thistle, NAC, and some creatine magnesium chelate...no mono thank god lol.
Well ill keep posting during this pct, hopefully I'll be good to go by sring break!
flipsry09
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Aren't you on nolva?
dre alvarez
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No, couldn't find a good link, so I went with otc. But honestly, I'm feeling great now. Recycle is great for rejuventating HPTA. I'm also running activate xt, lean xt, and today I started inhibit-e. Not feeling weak like I was the first couple of days.
flipsry09
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Ah, yea I might run activate aftet the 4 weeks of Nolva, but I honestly can't say theres any OTC Anti-E good enough for h-drol/m-drol.. Also, did you get around to the before/after pics?
hoopem6
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How's the appetite suppression with LX? I actually decided against LX (for cortisol control) because I didn't want something interfering with possible gains due to a loss of appetite. Instead, I went with the individual supplementation of: Vitamin C, Ginkgo, Chromium Picolinate, Glutamine, and Valerian Root <-- Enough for two cycles, and cost me half the price of a bottle of LX, etc. etc.
Upping your carb intake should help alleviate any symptoms of lethargy if they still persist.
Also, how are your workouts now? Are you still feeling weak, or is your lifting routine back to normal?
dre alvarez
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Appetite is great for me, I'm all the time dude lol. Your natural line up for cortisol control, is pretty good man, no need for LX. I've added carbs pre/post workouts since I'm on a TKD, its working for me. My workouts are back to being intense and focus, thanks to endorush (on recommended servings lol) but overall feeling good man. Oh boy flip saying that, h-drol NEEDS a serm, looks to me that OTC is doing it for me, I wasn't shut down and my doses were moderate.
dre alvarez
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I'll post my pics around the end of my pct dude lol...be patient homie! And my otc line-up is going great, I know my s**t dude. I didn't shut down or did high dosage. H-drol can be sufficient w/ otc, if its done right. Go to tunedsports.com they'll explain that h-drol is recommended a serm but does not "require" one.
hoopem6
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That's good to hear man!
SERM or not to SERM is always a debate, especially for H-Drol. However, I think you adequately prepared yourself for this particular cycle.
Good luck with the rest of your PCT bro. If possible, you should follow up with an end of PCT final review.
flipsry09
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Did you run 50/50/75/75/75?
dre alvarez
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Yea thanks hoope. Yea its the 'great debate' lol. Obviously serm is the way to go. But since I did a moderate dosing cycle, I was prepared to go with otc. So far so good. I'll definitely post a final review @ the end of my pct. Looking foward to follow your cycle hp, take care bro.
dre alvarez
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No. Ran 50/50/50/75/75/75 ( and in week 2, 3 out of. That week, I drop to 25mg). I gradually went up to 75. And the first couple of days of pct, I was fatigue but with my otc line-up, I feel sharp and on point, I haven't lost any strength or weight. I'm confident with going otc. But I know SERMS are the most effective and proven but for my dosage, is not required.
dre alvarez
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2 weeks into PCT so far. Everything is going great. Just started sns inhibit-e and it seems to be that's its cutting me up a bit more and also picked up some strength with it, good ATD, I'm running it @ 2/2/2/1/1. Added muscle guage pure isolated...taste is okay but its a one of the best isolated proteins out..not to mention pretty cheap online. I'm after my 6 wk PCT is over with, I'm looking to run a NON- Hormonal stack, just don't know what supps yet..will do reviews.. maybe some 6 oxo and bioforge..will see. More updates coming soon and will post pics up after Cycle is over.
dre alvarez
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Lol thanks edwitt, yea I'm breaking plateuas now. Added CLA and ALA, along with inhibit-e seems to cut me up...will post pics on the final wk
dre alvarez
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Well, it is a "all-in-one" but when going over the counter, not one product as a stand alone will cover a proper otc pct. You need a all in one like recycle, an AI or ATD like 6 oxo or inhibit-e, a cortisol control like lean xtreme and for extra boost, a natty test booster like activate xt or testo pro.
dre alvarez
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I'm 3 wks into my pct...every is going great...i ve managed to maintain my lean gains and cuts. I just ran out of activate xt...and now having a hard time deciding on what to get, is either:
1.Another bottle of activate xt
2.Diesel test hardcore
3. AN Drive
4. PAL leviantain reloaded
5. AI Testo pro
..need help on this any opinions??! Thanks
1.Another bottle of activate xt
2.Diesel test hardcore
3. AN Drive
4. PAL leviantain reloaded
5. AI Testo pro
..need help on this any opinions??! Thanks
edwitt
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I'm a big fan of Activate but I would def try testpro
hoopem6
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I've heard nothing but good things about Testopro. Especially in terms of lean mass and strength gains.
flipsry09
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Don't most people start Activate in week 3 of the PCT?
hoopem6
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Actually, Inhibit-E (2/2/1/1) used in conjunction with a test booster and cortisol blocker is sufficient for a H-Drol cycle of this caliber. However, the Recycle is a nice addition to the the Inhibit-E in terms of test boosting.
I think that's PCT/product dependent. Because Dre went OTC, he began Activate Xtreme on day one. Whereas, if he were using Nolvadex he would typically begin using a test booster during week three.
edwitt
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Personally id do the activate and add sustain alpha that stuff is really great for the libido