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drewsicle3210 said:
I am going to be honest here, i haven't noticed any change at all from stopping Cissus and Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM/Hyaluronic Acid. Same pain, same discomfort. I guess it can't work for everyone.
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Both Achillies and SuperCissus worked wonders for my knees. I have been able to run that last 56 of 60 days... before that I was usually taking 2 days a week off. But not sure there is much effect where my shoulder is concerned. That said, just did my shoulder / back width workout and shoulder held up really nicely. Perhaps that day off yesterday helped.

804 said:
Nice work brother!!
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Thanks man
 
11/12/13

Warmup with 3/4 scoop of Stimul8: 5.5 km jog

- My tub of stimul8 is down to the last few scoops. When you consider this log started 45 or so days ago with daily dosings and have found it effective at all dosing levels from .5, .75, 1 scoop - it speaks volumes to both performance and cost effectiveness.

GVT: Shoulders and Back Width

Seated Barbell Press:
120x10
120x10
120x10
120x10
120x10
120x10
120x10
120x10
120x10
120x10

-tempo was 40X0
-shoulder held up really nicely.

Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns:
190x10
190x10
190x10
190x10
190x10
190x10
190x10
190x10
190x10
190x10

-tempo was 40X0

Face Pulls:
110x15
110x15
110x15
110x15

D-Grip Pulldowns:
180x15
180x15
180x12
180x12

Shrugs:
60x10
60x10
60x10

- 3 count at the top

Stretchers:
150x10
150x10
150x10

- 2 count on the stretch

Was really happy with my workout this morning. 33 minutes for the run, and 41 minutes total for weights with short rest periods. Was very focused and had terrific energy.

On a side note: I really need to clean up my eating more though and get rid of this bodyfat. For all the work I feel I put in, between running/weights I should be progressing in the fat loss and lean mass department. I know I am slowly adding mass, but I am just not shifting the bodyfat. And hence why I haven't taken pics yet - I find I look at them and then get very discouraged with myself.
 
Wow, you busted out a lot of weight/sets a short period of time.

I hear you on BF. I've let my appetite get the best of me too the last few months.
 
RegisterJr said:
Wow, you busted out a lot of weight/sets a short period of time.

I hear you on BF. I've let my appetite get the best of me too the last few months.
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Thanks. There was really no rest just movement to movement, only rest was setting up for the first rep each time.

I keep thinking I am doing ok actually, keeping carbs down or trying to cycle them but perhaps the types of carbs or fats in meat are just too high. Better start tracking everything.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
well thanks dude

errr, wait - are you calling me ugly?

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damn Canadians, you never know what they are saying....
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....no just calling you a wise old dude!

Interesting observation to be noted: yoda and montego have the same puppy dog eyes
 
yes try monitoring your fat intake simon
this is typically the macro that would be off, for guys who only concentrate on carb ingestion..only so far you can go with fats outta control

this is just guesswork, as I have no clue of your overall cal intake/choice of foods, but seems a logical good place to start
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
yes try monitoring your fat intake simon
this is typically the macro that would be off, for guys who only concentrate on carb ingestion..only so far you can go with fats outta control

this is just guesswork, as I have no clue of your overall cal intake/choice of foods, but seems a logical good place to start
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Thanks Steve. Appreciate your input.
 
11/13/13

Dosed 1/2 scoop of Stimul8 after work, raked up some leaves for 20 minutes as a warmup. Day off the running today.


Arms

SuperSet 1

Close Grip Bench Press:
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x9
140x8
140x10

Preacher Curls:
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10

- thought I would change things up a little here, swapping EZ for Preachers (EZ's done below where Preachers have been). Actually found this even more effective my arms were so pumped and sore by the end of this superset. But my energy levels were soaring.


Superset 2

Overhead Tricep Extension:
100x15
100x15
100x13
100x12

EZ Curls:
85x15
85x10
85x12
85x10

- bordered on agonizing - after the fact, can't help but love it.


Superset 3

Rope Pushdown:
90x15
90x15
90x15

Concentration Curls:
30x10/10
30x10/10
30x10/10

- somehow I was able to dig pretty deep here, as this was my best effort yet for concentration curls

Really focused, and energy levels were perfect for 1/2 a scoop. I did notice that 1/2 scoop does not affect my appetite like 3/4-1 scoop. Chills and thermo both present today though.
 
Those close-grips are heavy without the tempo, and way to pound out that 10th set!

And nice volume in everything else, too. I may give preachers a go, soon. I've never really liked them, and don't feel the burn I do on others. Maybe it's a weak part of the bicep for me...
 
RegisterJr said:
Those close-grips are heavy without the tempo, and way to pound out that 10th set!

And nice volume in everything else, too. I may give preachers a go, soon. I've never really liked them, and don't feel the burn I do on others. Maybe it's a weak part of the bicep for me...
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Thanks, was a tough go!

I really liked the preachers. Find I get such a nice stretch at the extension, and burn at the top. They used to really bug my elbows but I moved my hands in just a little and that seems to have helped.
 
Are you doing them with a straight or EZ bar?
 
Still killing it here bud. Do since you've been doing the GVT a little while now what do u think of it??
 
Danb2285 said:
Still killing it here bud. Do since you've been doing the GVT a little while now what do u think of it??
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Hey Dan, good to see you in here buddy. How is the hunt going?

Really enjoying it actually. Surprisingly I don't find it boring. In fact, even though at sets 5-7 I am saying to myself 'holy sh*t'... getting to 10 x 10 is a challenge and working with the tempo somewhat engaging. Muscles feel hard and pumped and doms usually are present.
 
11/14/2013

No weights today.

After work did go for a 6km run. I really dislike running later in the day. Once I have had lots of water and some food I find it just harder. Perhaps because I always run fasted with just BCAA's in me.

Chest/Back Thickness tomorrow. 2 on 1 off, is already feeling better.
 
wasme said:
11/14/2013

No weights today.

After work did go for a 6km run. I really dislike running later in the day. Once I have had lots of water and some food I find it just harder. Perhaps because I always run fasted with just BCAA's in me.

Chest/Back Thickness tomorrow. 2 on 1 off, is already feeling better.
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I agree here. I prefer fasted training, even though I know I shouldn't.
 
RegisterJr said:
I agree here. I prefer fasted training, even though I know I shouldn't.
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Fasted cardio treats me so much better. I prefer fasted weights sessions as well. Couple of reasons: one i just feel fresher and secondly because no one interferes with my workouts early in the morning (ie kids, wife, mental stress from the day, pressure to do other things... f me that list could go on forever!)
 
wasme said:
Fasted cardio treats me so much better. I prefer fasted weights sessions as well. Couple of reasons: one i just feel fresher and secondly because no one interferes with my workouts early in the morning (ie kids, wife, mental stress from the day, pressure to do other things... f me that list could go on forever!)
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Again, I agree. I can manage a protein shake 45 min prior while I'm having coffee, but when I tried the solid foods pre-workout I noticed that I just never had the intensity I had without. Nog sure why...
 
RegisterJr said:
Again, I agree. I can manage a protein shake 45 min prior while I'm having coffee, but when I tried the solid foods pre-workout I noticed that I just never had the intensity I had without. Nog sure why...
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I know if I eat and then take a preworkout, it really takes the effectiveness of the product away.
 
Are you guys doing 4-second negs on dead lifts too? I don't remember seeing...
 
RegisterJr said:
Are you guys doing 4-second negs on dead lifts too? I don't remember seeing...
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On accessory lifts my tempo is 2020 or 3030.. I added dead lifts in there just for exhaustion and to work on form at a lighter weight (I have a tendancy to tweak my back doing deads/stifflegged deads)
 
drewsicle3210 said:
I am going to be honest here, i haven't noticed any change at all from stopping Cissus and Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM/Hyaluronic Acid. Same pain, same discomfort. I guess it can't work for everyone.
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Could be an actual soft tissue injury, have you had an MRI?
wasme said:
Fasted cardio treats me so much better. I prefer fasted weights sessions as well. Couple of reasons: one i just feel fresher and secondly because no one interferes with my workouts early in the morning (ie kids, wife, mental stress from the day, pressure to do other things... f me that list could go on forever!)
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I prefer morning workouts for the same reason.

Curious, Why do you do 4-0-0 on the shoulder work? One of the big factors in GVT is the amount of GH released and localized IGF produced from the workout. That is a direct effect of the amount of lactic acid build up. Slow concentric contractions produce much more lactic acid than slow negatives, increasing the GH release.

You want to really feel the burn on biceps even more than preachers switch it up to Incline DB Curls one of the cool things with them is that they stretch the long head of the biceps, making it work more. The long head is the one on the outside that makes your biceps have a good peak.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Could be an actual soft tissue injury, have you had an MRI?

Curious, Why do you do 4-0-0 on the shoulder work? One of the big factors in GVT is the amount of GH released and localized IGF produced from the workout. That is a direct effect of the amount of lactic acid build up. Slow concentric contractions produce much more lactic acid than slow negatives, increasing the GH release.
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Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis?

Seriously, are you suggesting that a longer raise on shoulder movements is more beneficial than a longer neg? This is all Chinese to me...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Curious, Why do you do 4-0-0 on the shoulder work? One of the big factors in GVT is the amount of GH released and localized IGF produced from the workout. That is a direct effect of the amount of lactic acid build up. Slow concentric contractions produce much more lactic acid than slow negatives, increasing the GH release.

You want to really feel the burn on biceps even more than preachers switch it up to Incline DB Curls one of the cool things with them is that they stretch the long head of the biceps, making it work more. The long head is the one on the outside that makes your biceps have a good peak.
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Are you saying for shoulders do 4-0-2-0? And I will give the incline DB curls a go next arm day. Thanks.
 
11/15/13

Warmup (after work) 5km run. Dosed 3/4 scoop of Stimul8 prior to leaving.

GVT: Chest, Back Thickness - Tempo 40X0

Superset 1

Flat Bench Press
175x10
175x10
175x10
175x10
175x10
175x10
175x9
175x9
175x8
175x8

Bent Over Barbell Rows
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10
140x10



Superset 2

Machine Flies
110x15
110x15
110x14
110x13

Deadlifts
160x10
160x10
160x10
160x10



Superset 3

Flat Dumbbell Bench - Neutral Grip
60x10
60x10
60x10

Seated Cable Rows
140x10
140x10
140x10

- Good workout but like yesterday found the run tougher in the pm, and this workout following felt gruelling. As I sit here, I am actually feeling a frustrated feeling, almost like agression.
 
Frustration from the later workout(s)?
 
RegisterJr said:
Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis?

Seriously, are you suggesting that a longer raise on shoulder movements is more beneficial than a longer neg? This is all Chinese to me...
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On all exercises really. However what I meant was the slow concentric or positive contraction produces more lactic acid than a slow negative of the same amount of time. Hence the 2 second lift and 4 second negative. They will produce about the same lactic acid release each way even with the concentric being shorter Time Under Tension than the negative.
The better way is to use both like in the write up. This way you get maximal Growth Hormone release by using both.


wasme said:
Are you saying for shoulders do 4-0-2-0? And I will give the incline DB curls a go next arm day. Thanks.
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Yes, 4 second negative, no pause, 2 seconds concentric, no pause I don't typically write out the last number if not pausing. I just add one if there is a pause. That tempo should be the same for all of your main lifts.

I see you did the 4-0-0 on chest and back as well. So slow down the concentric, one good thing it will lowere the weight some which will help that shoulder that is bothering you . Yes definitely try the Incline DB Curls next time. Prepare for a FIRE in your biceps! Remember when doing them to keep the elbow back and not bring it forward to get the weight up.
 
RegisterJr said:
Frustration from the later workout(s)?
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Not sure... just came in the house pissed off. I guess at times life gets to you. I posted a good workout, but inside wasnt happy with it maybe. Or perhaps in a mood or something lol

Going out for a steak and baked potato here shortly though.. date night.
 
Nice! Have fun bro! I know a steak would put me in a good mood...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes, 4 second negative, no pause, 2 seconds concentric, no pause I don't typically write out the last number if not pausing. I just add one if there is a pause. That tempo should be the same for all of your main lifts.

I see you did the 4-0-0 on chest and back as well. So slow down the concentric, one good thing it will lowere the weight some which will help that shoulder that is bothering you . Yes definitely try the Incline DB Curls next time. Prepare for a FIRE in your biceps! Remember when doing them to keep the elbow back and not bring it forward to get the weight up.
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Ok I was following the simply shredded gvt article that says 4-0-x-0. I will change it to 4-0-2 though. Thanks, always good to see guys looking out for us, helping us learn and 'grow' (not the way lifeblood likes us growing either lol).

Will do.. looking forward to arm day.

I see the Meadows routine is back treating you well Chris..
 
wasme said:
Ok I was following the simply shredded gvt article that says 4-0-x-0. I will change it to 4-0-2 though. Thanks, always good to see guys looking out for us, helping us learn and 'grow' (not the way lifeblood likes us growing either lol).

Will do.. looking forward to arm day.

I see the Meadows routine is back treating you well Chris..
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Yep, a little cautious about tonight going to try to push the legs harder than I have since the injury. If all bodes well it is going to be full steam ahead which will help give me some more motivation. At least if nothing else I can slay upper body without any worry of the back now! Love the Meadows training.

Oh that write up must be slightly different than the original one in the book if it says 4-0-x-0.
 
wasme said:
I know if I eat and then take a preworkout, it really takes the effectiveness of the product away.
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Man I know what you are saying. I would love to be able to slam some protein with my Pre, cause the pre isn't going anywhere. I have to have my stims!
 
drewsicle3210 said:
Man I know what you are saying. I would love to be able to slam some protein with my Pre, cause the pre isn't going anywhere. I have to have my stims!
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What if you take a shake 45 min prior and the pre 15 prior? That's what I've been trying to do.
 
11/16/2013

Day started as per norm with a run (5.5 km) fasted.

Dosed 3/4 of a scoop of Stimul8 right before my run.


GVT: Legs 4-0-2

SUPERSET 1

Squats (ATG)
195x10
195x10
195x10
195x10
195x10
195x10
195x9
195x8
195x7
195x5

- Added 10 lbs to the bar this week and with the tempo this was brutal.

Lying Legs Curls
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10
70x10


TRI-SUPERSET - I was already exhausted after my 10x10 superset but pushed forward.

Leg Extensions
110x15
110x15
110x15
110x15


Stiffleg Deadlifts
160x10
160x10
160x10
160x8

Standing Barbell Calf Raises - hard squeeze at the top.
185x20
185x18
185x17
185x15

Really good workout. Felt aggressive and my run was so much better this morning. As mentioned after my Squats/Leg Curls I was felt worn right out. I know my paced slowed down but got through everything. 2 scoops of Stimul8 left. Going to use it 4 x .5 to make it last. (That said, have 2 more tubs on hand).
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yep, a little cautious about tonight going to try to push the legs harder than I have since the injury. If all bodes well it is going to be full steam ahead which will help give me some more motivation. At least if nothing else I can slay upper body without any worry of the back now! Love the Meadows training.

Oh that write up must be slightly different than the original one in the book if it says 4-0-x-0.
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Will check your thread to see how last night went. Yes it also reads to go 6 rotations and then change things to 10x6 with a 5-0-x tempo. What are your thoughts on that?
 
Nice weight with those squats. Definitely going to be feeling that tomorrow, and Monday, and probably Tuesday! :)
Solid session pal.
 
What do you mean by 6 rotations?

wasme said:
I can't get up any earlier most days to do so. I find getting up dosing my pre/bcaa's and going for a run, gets me warm and ready
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Ah. I have to have coffee, so I get up early for that and slam my shake while having coffee.
 
Word. Looking forward to hearing what y'all's thoughts are. What happens after the second set of rotations? Return to 4-0-2?
 
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