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FINAFLEX presents....

Masthetics said:
Finaflex is a terrible company. I'm sorry but i purchased 1-Andro a while back, Did absolutely NOTHING, so i sent it back to Albert Scott, who was in charge at the time, turns out i had a fake batch. He didn't even refund me after confirming I had gotten a fake, only sent me a bottle of Pure Test. Like wtf am i supposed to do with Daspartic Acid after being on a cycle of some sh*t that i didn't even know what was in it. Big disappointment.
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That rep is no longer with is. You can't really blame us for your purchasing a bunk product though. Sorry pal.
 
Masthetics said:
I'm not blaming you guys' for the fake product i received.
I'm blaming the company for the lack of customer service i received after a company rep confirmed to me that my product was bunk after i sent it to him.
He even told me that they were going to conduct an analysis to find out what's in it, and he never got back to me. Who knows what the hell i was taking for close to 4 weeks. Honestly i felt insulted when he offered to send me "Pure Test", how does that benefit my situation lol? I would've felt better if he sent me a REAL batch of 1-andro, because after all, i did purchase it and they got profits from it.
Oh well, it's the past, just thought I'd share my experience.
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Where did you buy the product from?
 
Masthetics said:
I purchased it from a1supplements
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How long ago did you purchase this from them..?
Damn, i just purchased 2 Bottles of 1-Andro from A1Supps :blink:

Finaflex Reps, is this something i should be concerned about..?
Is A1 Supps not a authorized Finaflex retailer..?
Should I send a sample back to you for testing..?
If you don't feel like posting a reply, please PM a response either way.

thx
 
vujade said:
How long ago did you purchase this from them..?
Damn, i just purchased 2 Bottles of 1-Andro from A1Supps :blink:

Finaflex Reps, is this something i should be concerned about..?
Is A1 Supps not a authorized Finaflex retailer..?
Should I send a sample back to you for testing..?
If you don't feel like posting a reply, please PM a response either way.

thx
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That is the first time I have ever seen anyone complain about the quality of the product. IMHO you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Look through the threads on this forum, you will find very positive reviews/logs. As for A1, they carry the entire line of FINAFLEX products.

Train hard, eat clean and enjoy your 1-Andro.
 
Well PN was for another company I was looking at. Cause PN I notice carries still old formulas of awesome products.

But I'll have to check out the list of carriers.
 
Masthetics said:
I'm not blaming you guys' for the fake product i received.
I'm blaming the company for the lack of customer service i received after a company rep confirmed to me that my product was bunk after i sent it to him.
He even told me that they were going to conduct an analysis to find out what's in it, and he never got back to me. Who knows what the hell i was taking for close to 4 weeks. Honestly i felt insulted when he offered to send me "Pure Test", how does that benefit my situation lol? I would've felt better if he sent me a REAL batch of 1-andro, because after all, i did purchase it and they got profits from it.
Oh well, it's the past, just thought I'd share my experience.
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Masthetics said:
I purchased it from a1supplements
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sure sounds like you are blaming your own misfortune on us, to me..
why is it our responsibility to refund or replace something you got that was fake?
there are controls established and protocol in place, for the situation you have just explained, when you purchase from an authorized dealer..
if you do not purchase from authorized dealer, then you have no safeguards at all
when you buy a bunk product from authorized retailer, your product would be replaced from that dealer - not from us
we in turn would launch a backtracking investigation in tandem with the retailer

honestly - you complain that you got a free bottle of Pure Test? really??
is this real life? .....
we certainly did not have to send you anything..and now, you bitch and moan and call us a terrible company
wow

Masthetics said:
Honestly i felt insulted when he offered to send me "Pure Test", how does that benefit my situation lol? I would've felt better if he sent me a REAL batch of 1-andro, because after all, i did purchase it and they got profits from it.
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lmao
uhh, no
if you purchased fake product, WE did not get profits from it
do you not understand how the business works?
unless you buy direct from us on our website, we are not getting any "profits", and if you bought fake stuff, we received absolutely no money for this, as it did not originate from our production facility
and yet: you expect US to replace this bunk product YOU got scammed with?

sorry for your lack of understanding


best to you
 
Also. Please refrain from posting complaints in a promo thread. We have a sub forum and pm boxes where issues like this can be addressed.
 
I've personally got nothing but quality products from finaflex! Your problems seems to me to lie with a1.
 
No idea^^^^

Bottom line buy your products from an authorized retailer. Often times a slightly better price leads to fake products in my experience.

Sorry this happened but this is in no way a reflexion of how FINAFLEX conducts business and or customer service.
 
Masthetics said:
Luckily I have some sort of influence in this bodybuilding world and next time i see a company rep at one of the expos i attend, It's going to be an awkward situation.
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we look forward to speaking with you civilly at any function..
if you are only there to start sh1t, name call, and create your drama (as you have done here), save your time
we don't get caught up in such petty avenues of conduct or complaint

influence in the bodybuilding world eh.....
mmmmmkay
I do not know what that means, but whatever makes you feel good about yourself there hoss...

you have been asked kindly to direct these "complaints" to the proper channels, not here in our promo thread..
so, influence yourself on down the road and out of here
ciao nao
 
Masthetics said:
You're a moron. First of all you Neg me for speaking my mind. Second of all, how pathetic and broke does a company need to be to not be able to reimburse one person that has received a fake product. Not to mention the fact that your company never got back to me with the results of what was actually in it. Talk about great customer service. HAHAHAHA sarcasm. Luckily I have some sort of influence in this bodybuilding world and next time i see a company rep at one of the expos i attend, It's going to be an awkward situation.
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Are you actually listening to yourself? You obviously don't know anything about business. If companies kept reimbursing customer who were being a b1tch because they bought a fake product from a shady dealer or were too stupid to know how to use a product correctly or train properly to get results, then there wouldn't be a single company that could keep their doors open.

And come on, at 5'8" 165lbs, do you honestly expect us to believe that you have "pull" in the bodybuilding industry? Oh wait, unless you compete in the bikini shows. Then MAYBE someone may know who you are. I mean a skinny guy in a bikini on stage with attractive women would kinda stand out.
 
This a promo thread. As already stated keep this **** out of this thread.

Points have been made now let's act like adults and take this elsewhere
 
Masthetics said:
Coming from a geek with no Avi. Keep talking
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I have nothing to prove to anyone. The trophies I have won and are sitting on my mantle are all the proof I need to know that what I'm doing is working. I'm nothing special. I'm 5'4" 200lbs. I step on stage 168-170lbs. But for being all natural, i consider what I have done over the 18 years I've been in the industry, not only as a competitor, but making a living in it as well, I feel like I've accomplished what I've needed to.

I'm not on here to cause sh1t or see who's e-peen is bigger. I'm here because the reps for Finaflex know their stuff and a couple of them have even gone above and beyond to converse with me, answer my questions, and to get to know me. For that, they have my respect as many companies would not do what they have.

Enjoy your visit here on AM.
 
If people continue to not direct these issues to the proper place then site administrators will be contacted to sort out the problem here.
We have asked that you adress this matter in our sub forum or via pm. We will not tolerate one bad egg totally derailing a company promotion thread. It's childish and very unacceptable.

Like I said if you wish to discuss this further feel free to pm myself and I'll help you see the light.

Thank you and stay FREAKY.
 
Masthetics said:
I honestly think you're braindead. You call me out for being 165 and you just said you step on stage at 168-170 LOL. FYI, im 165 because im at 6% bodyfat right now, so honestly, if i can be at your same stage weight lean after only 4 years of training, you have no room to call me out. Here buddy, I'll let you admire my physique, that according to you i got without knowing how to train "Properly" LMFAO. Congrats on making yourself look like a fool. How do you even have the nerve to call me a "bikini competitor" when we step on stage at the same weight. LMFAO, you dumb son of a b*tch. Invalid Link Removed
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Enough bro!!

You've been warned
 
We can go back to our promo thread now.

Thank you admin for helping with the problem.

Now where da logs at!
 
2 of them are already up. Plus just got my second bottle in so I'll be dosing at 3/day. Not to mention the sweet shirt I got. Only bad thing is that's it's an XL. Guess I'll have to get them gains so it fits lol


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Heck yeah! 550% more MASSive *wink*



Does Predator Nutrition sell FinaFlex?

What's everyone think of them?
 
Johnold said:
Heck yeah! 550% more MASSive *wink*

Does Predator Nutrition sell FinaFlex?

What's everyone think of them?
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Personally I've never dealt with that site. There are a few sites under the supplements section that sell all of our products and are trusted retailers though.
 
Montego1 said:
Personally I've never dealt with that site. There are a few sites under the supplements section that sell all of our products and are trusted retailers though.
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What are mostly used sites? I noticed that even authorized sites sell little or more than others.
 
Johnold said:
What are mostly used sites? I noticed that even authorized sites sell little or more than others.
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Nutra has been a go to for a long time for myself. Orbit, island, nutriverse and strong supps are still good places though. Plenty of options out there
 
Anyone north of the border... My parcels have always arrived entact from Nutra (although there are always fees at the door), Orbit and Strong Supps.. The others I have not personally used.
 
aha love he kiss my mass shirt!

This looks like a very interesting product, can't wait to follow the logs :D
 
No kidding brother I can't believe wasme hasn't got me one of them bad boys. Could you imagine me sporting that shirt with black shorts showing dem lil arse 19.2 inch calves!!!! SMDH lol i got to get one.
 
Here is the review scale for those currently running logs (and those running this on their on dime who would like to review it in the reviews section):

FINAFLEX MASS 550

Rating Scale 1-5 (1 is lowest, 5 highest)

1. This product increased my motivation and drive...
2. This product increased my appetite...
3. This product improved my libido...
4. This product improved my body compostion...
5. This product increased my strength and performance...
6. I would recommend this product to family and friends...
 
Whats the oral bioavailability of Maslinic acid like? Anything like Ursolic acid? I.e. really really bad?

And the other ingredients look pretty under-dosed too... :(
 
Schwuppes said:
Whats the oral bioavailability of Maslinic acid like? Anything like Ursolic acid? I.e. really really bad?
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if you had read the write-up we provided on page one, you would already know the answer to this

Supplements containing ursolic acid are starting to gain popularity due to recent studies of its effectiveness. However, the oral bioavailability of maslinic acid is far superior compared to other triterpenoids such as ursolic acid. A study investigating the intestinal uptake of Ursolic Acid (from an ethanolic extract of Sambucus chinensis) found that a dose contributing 80mg/kg bodyweight Ursolic Acid had about an 0.6% oral bioavailability based on the compound's AUC. However, in recent study illustrating the bioavailability of maslinic acid, the research showed that after the administration of 50mg/kg Maslinic Acid to rats, Maslinic Acid reached the blood and was detected in plasma at 60min (3.08±0.02μM). This confirms that oral bioavailability of maslinic acid is far superior to that of ursolic acid.
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Schwuppes said:
And the other ingredients look pretty under-dosed too... :(
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and what "other ingredients" are you referring to?
since I will assume you have not a clue about any ingredient that comprises our LEAN MASS matrix, I will guess you infer to what comprises our TESTOSTERONE matrix, specifically DAA (which is one ingredient, and not "ingredients" as you claim)...

DAA is NOT the driving force in this one, we are not looking for the specific function of free test boost from DAA here..
it is simply a synergistic component in the formulation, and it does have its place, as we here at FINAFLEX tend not to just throw things together with no rhyme nor reason....
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
if you had read the write-up we provided on page one, you would already know the answer to this






and what "other ingredients" are you referring to?
since I will assume you have not a clue about any ingredient that comprises our LEAN MASS matrix, I will guess you infer to what comprises our TESTOSTERONE matrix, specifically DAA (which is one ingredient, and not "ingredients" as you claim)...

DAA is NOT the driving force in this one, we are not looking for the specific function of free test boost from DAA here..
it is simply a synergistic component in the formulation, and it does have its place, as we here at FINAFLEX tend not to just throw things together with no rhyme nor reason....
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Nope, thats doesn't give an answer at all as to how Maslinic acid compares to ursolic acid... apples and oranges. Ursolic acid; you're working with a percentage value, and Maslinic acid is some other unit or ratio that you're quoting. For all we know Maslinic acid could have 2% bioavailability, which being 3x that of Ursolic acid is "far superior"... but would still be **** in absolute terms.
I don't know how much of those 120mg "Lean Mass matrix" is comprised of Maslinic acid... but the bioavailabilty better be right up there, thats for sure. ;)

In fact i just found this out of a scientific journal:

Maslinic acid is a natural pentacyclic triterpene present in a variety of plant species, many of them being common ingredients of plant-based dietary patterns, such as the Mediterranean diet. In recent years, a number of studies assessing its biological effects have raised interest in this compound. These include not only health-enhancing properties, such as cardioprotective or neuroprotective, but also a therapeutic potential that may help in the treatment of several disorders, such as cancer, diabetes or parasitoses. However, the amount of maslinic acid in natural edible sources is low, and data about its pharmacokinetics, which we are currently assessing in our laboratory, show that the triterpene has a poor oral bioavailability. From this it would appear that dietary maslinic acid is not sufficient to reach effective concentrations in target organs, thus the compound should be supplied in pure form, i.e. as a nutraceutical. Nevertheless, maslinic acid is in the spotlight of research on this field. Further studies will surely provide new mechanisms of action to explain the effects already described or even widen the spectrum of biological activities of this pentacyclic triterpene.


I just don't see much "room" in those 120mg LEAN MASS for any of the ingredients to have a effective dosage. Other products seem to be higher dosed. But your extract is supposedly 20x stronger, I guess that counts for something.
And no, I wasn't talking about DAA...

I see you deleted your comment accusing me of having some "agenda"... i have no beef with Finaflex at all. In fact I love your Stimul8, I think its the best pre-workout supplement on the market and recommend it to everyone.
But "natural anabolic" supplements come and go and they deserve to be heavily scrutinized... especially when they cost top dollar.
 
Schwuppes said:
However, the amount of maslinic acid in natural edible sources is low, and data about its pharmacokinetics, which we are currently assessing in our laboratory, show that the triterpene has a poor oral bioavailability. From this it would appear that dietary maslinic acid is not sufficient to reach effective concentrations in target organs, thus the compound should be supplied in pure form, i.e. as a nutraceutical. Nevertheless, maslinic acid is in the spotlight of research on this field..
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the quotation you point to refers to dietary forms of maslinic acid having poor bioavailability, and recommends nutraceutical supplementation -- which is exactly what we offer and what our product is..
I fail to see how or why you would extrapolate that and come to the conclusion our nutraceutical dose is "low" and poorly absorbed/utilized..

in any event, I would encourage you to endeavor in further study of this compound and field, as I think you may come across more information to edify and enlighten you

as far as any accusations of you having an agenda - my apologies if such is not the case
as you can see if you've followed this thread, we already had one instance of this in here..
typically a promo thread is not the best place to have these conversations, especially a promo thread that has been closed for 6 months..

thanks for your input
we are pleased to hear your feelings on Stimul8, and appreciate your support
 
Johnold said:
What's new in the pipeline for Finaflex?

Any new products coming soon to look forward to?
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Over the last three months we've introduced Muscle Fiber, Liver Repair, and a STIIMUL8 RTD. Check out Invalid Link Removed

Nutraplanet has an amazing bundle on the Muscle Fiber. Comes with BCAA+SAA, and STIMUL8, PX, and Active Multi samples.

I'd link it but I'm at the vet right now...
 
I'm currently running a log on G8 by finagled and also takin their BCAA's. I'm currently loving it too I would love to try some more but only problem is that they don't have a UK distributor :(

But great products!!!
I like the look of stimul8.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
finagled? :blink:

Haha sorry, typing from my phone :)

Invalid Link Removed there are places to order our product from in UK we also ship world-wide from our website store, Invalid Link Removed
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Oh, I didn't even realise! Thanks for the link. I'll take a look now.
 
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