Figuring out first SARM stack and PCT

[nmykie]

I posted this yesterday and started to get some responses, then the thread disappeared and was marked as pending approval. I'm guessing maybe because I saw some mistakes in my original post that I edited after responses? Reposting to hopefully get some more information.

Original post:
Hi,

I'm planning on doing my first cycle (8 weeks) with a 12.5mg Ostarine and 10mg Rad-140 stack supplemented with 15mg of MK677 and 10mg Caradine respectively. I'm 40 years old and have been working out on and off for the last 15 years. I'm currently 5'9, 192lb, and about 15% body fat. My plan is to use the Ostarine and rad-140 with the Mk677 for a combination of recomp and bulking. The Caradine is for help with endurance. I'm not comfortable going with anything more potent than rad-140 or too much higher of a dose of the rad-140, but am open to suggestions of tweaks that do not involve increasing the rad-140 dose past 15mg.

Reading around, it's hard to see if a PCT that is solely Arimistane is enough, if I should stick with Nolvadex, or do a combination because they work differently. I also plan on staying on the Mk677 for the PCT period since I read that it takes longer for the progressive effects to manifest and can help with PCT. Would appreciate any advice on PCT because I was hoping to stick with Arimistane since I'm not sure how to get an RX for nolvadex and am worried about being scammed by online places.

Smont, I know you said said this:
As someone who's used all these thing I would suggest you pick 1 sarm and run it solo before stacking. Any time you Stack a bunch of compounds you've never used before you have no clue what is doing what whether it be positive or negative and if you get any negative side effects you have no clue how to treat anything because you don't know what's causing it.

I would ditch osta and run rad 140 with 4 andro. Rad 140 in the presence of estrogen works similarly to a low dose of testosterone. And the estrogen should aid in putting on a little size as well. I'd plan on 6 to 8 weeks, less then 6 is a waste in my opinion.

Pct=a serm like clomid or enclomiphene or Nolvadex.
Arimistane is not a pct. You might as well eat pop rocks Or sugar pills to restart your natural testosterone production. Arimistane is just a crappy ai that does next to nothing to Kickstart Natural testosterone production

You also asked if I lived in in the US or Canada, I live in the US.

 

[nmykie]

I would ditch osta and run rad 140 with 4 andro. Rad 140 in the presence of estrogen works similarly to a low dose of testosterone. And the estrogen should aid in putting on a little size as well. I'd plan on 6 to 8 weeks, less then 6 is a waste in my opinion.

Appreciate the input. I based my plan on what I read from insidebodybuilding.com and sarmguide.com and I know nothing about 4 Andro. I did some reading about it, but I couldn't find much about using it with a SARM regarding the estrogen part. Can you tell me more about that? I'm a little confused since the stuff I found said you need to use an estrogen blocker on that stuff. If I were to do that, would Sustanon 250 be the right one and would I still need to use an estrogen blocker, especially to avoid the estrogen issues and gyno.

 

[Smont]

Appreciate the input. I based my plan on what I read from insidebodybuilding.com and sarmguide.com and I know nothing about 4 Andro. I did some reading about it, but I couldn't find much about using it with a SARM regarding the estrogen part. Can you tell me more about that? I'm a little confused since the stuff I found said you need to use an estrogen blocker on that stuff. If I were to do that, would Sustanon 250 be the right one and would I still need to use an estrogen blocker, especially to avoid the estrogen issues and gyno.

Men need estrogen too. Sarms do not convert to testosterone, estrogen or dht.

If/when rad starts to supress testosterone you no longer have testosterone to convert to estrogen or dht. This typically won't be a issue till after 4 to 6 weeks but that number is a guess, no1 knows exactly when it's going to happen. If your estrogen gets too low you cannot get a hard on, you lose energy and strength ect. The side effects of low estrogen are often worse then high estrogen.

Do you need a ai, probably not, but you should never run a cycle without one.

Don't by hi tech sustanon, I have to assume that's the garbage yiur talking about and not real sustanon. Look for a product that is dosed properly. A properly dosed oral 4 andro product will give you a 30 day supply at 300mg a day

 

[UnrealMachine]

It’s similar to the stack I’m running but I had already used Ostarine, I would agree it’s better to use one at a time to learn how you respond and Rad is definitely better.

Dermacrine is working just fine for me but 4 andro should do a better job although with moderate doses and durations of Rad I wouldn’t call it necessary it it should be a great stack still.

here’s a link to IML transdermal 4 andro

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[nmykie]

Men need estrogen too. Sarms do not convert to testosterone, estrogen or dht.

If/when rad starts to supress testosterone you no longer have testosterone to convert to estrogen or dht. This typically won't be a issue till after 4 to 6 weeks but that number is a guess, no1 knows exactly when it's going to happen. If your estrogen gets too low you cannot get a hard on, you lose energy and strength ect. The side effects of low estrogen are often worse then high estrogen.

Do you need a ai, probably not, but you should never run a cycle without one.

Don't by hi tech sustanon, I have to assume that's the garbage yiur talking about and not real sustanon. Look for a product that is dosed properly. A properly dosed oral 4 andro product will give you a 30 day supply at 300mg a day

Thanks for the 4 andro info and feedback on sustanon. I was looking at it since it was a once a day thing.

For the AI, is there something specific I should look for outside of having the complex like an ideal dose? I was going to get hi tech's arimiplex for the AI and other stuff it's formulated for, or am I just begin fed sugar pills with stuff from that company and there's a recommended brand from forum feedback?

here’s a link to IML transdermal 4 andro

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Thanks for the rec on the cream. Reading about the no showering/swimming thing, any feedback based on your experience regarding sweating a lot during a workout? This kinda worries me with using it 2x a day. After a workout/before bed is not an issue, but the whole do one in the morning and avoiding "wet" situations for at least 8 hours feels kinda rough since I usually sneak off to the gym mid-day to avoid the crowds, play sports during the weekend, and other stuff that probably requires a second shower which would not be 8 hours after applying first thing in the morning without doing something crazy like a 3 AM alarm to put it on and go back to bed.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Thanks for the 4 andro info and feedback on sustanon. I was looking at it since it was a once a day thing.

For the AI, is there something specific I should look for outside of having the complex like an ideal dose? I was going to get hi tech's arimiplex for the AI and other stuff it's formulated for, or am I just begin fed sugar pills with stuff from that company and there's a recommended brand from forum feedback?




Thanks for the rec on the cream. Reading about the no showering/swimming thing, any feedback based on your experience regarding sweating a lot during a workout? This kinda worries me with using it 2x a day. After a workout/before bed is not an issue, but the whole do one in the morning and avoiding "wet" situations for at least 8 hours feels kinda rough since I usually sneak off to the gym mid-day to avoid the crowds, play sports during the weekend, and other stuff that probably requires a second shower which would not be 8 hours after applying first thing in the morning without doing something crazy like a 3 AM alarm to put it on and go back to bed.

You can all your pct stuff at maresearchchems.net use @Smont for 10% off just type that in the coupon section when checking out. They have Nolvadex ( tamoxifen ) and clomid ( clomiphene) you can also get your sarms there as well. It's the only place I buy my RC's from

 

[UnrealMachine]

Thanks for the 4 andro info and feedback on sustanon. I was looking at it since it was a once a day thing.

For the AI, is there something specific I should look for outside of having the complex like an ideal dose? I was going to get hi tech's arimiplex for the AI and other stuff it's formulated for, or am I just begin fed sugar pills with stuff from that company and there's a recommended brand from forum feedback?




Thanks for the rec on the cream. Reading about the no showering/swimming thing, any feedback based on your experience regarding sweating a lot during a workout? This kinda worries me with using it 2x a day. After a workout/before bed is not an issue, but the whole do one in the morning and avoiding "wet" situations for at least 8 hours feels kinda rough since I usually sneak off to the gym mid-day to avoid the crowds, play sports during the weekend, and other stuff that probably requires a second shower which would not be 8 hours after applying first thing in the morning without doing something crazy like a 3 AM alarm to put it on and go back to bed.

I don’t think twice a day is all that necessary, apply it after your second shower if needed

 

[nmykie]

I don’t think twice a day is all that necessary, apply it after your second shower if needed

Gotcha. How long does one bottle last you at 1x a day? The page doesn't say how many pumps the 8 oz provides and I'm trying to figure out if I need more than 1 bottle for an 8-week cycle since I would hate to run out and have a gap with ordering another one.

 

[Stacks1]

Gotcha. How long does one bottle last you at 1x a day? The page doesn't say how many pumps the 8 oz provides and I'm trying to figure out if I need more than 1 bottle for an 8-week cycle since I would hate to run out and have a gap with ordering another one.

If you're going to use it once per day I would use 2 pumps in the morning. That should last you 50 days.

 

[nmykie]

You can all your pct stuff at maresearchchems.net use @Smont for 10% off just type that in the coupon section when checking out. They have Nolvadex ( tamoxifen ) and clomid ( clomiphene) you can also get your sarms there as well. It's the only place I buy my RC's from

Thanks. Any advice on the AI inhibitor and dose from MA? It sounds like the OTC supplement I was gonna get I've read is used for AI may not be great. But, after googling all the MA chems to find the AIs and then looking into exemestane, anastrozole, and letrozole, I'm not easily finding anything on dosage guidance like with Nova for PCT at 20 MG/day for 4 weeks.

 

[Beau]

IMO, everything from MA is good to go.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Thanks. Any advice on the AI inhibitor and dose from MA? It sounds like the OTC supplement I was gonna get I've read is used for AI may not be great. But, after googling all the MA chems to find the AIs and then looking into exemestane, anastrozole, and letrozole, I'm not easily finding anything on dosage guidance like with Nova for PCT at 20 MG/day for 4 weeks.

@Smont

 

[KvanH]

I didn't read everything through, but only use an AI, if you need it. So only if you experience high estro symptoms, like bloat or nipple sensitivity. If you're running 4-Andro + a SARM, then you most likely don't need an AI, but it's always good - almost a necessity - to have on hand. Hi tech products should be what they say they are, but Arimistane is not a reliable AI.