What is the standard ng/dl? What does that stand for?Trt should put you over 800. Maybe up that dose.
What is the standard ng/dl? What does that stand for?Trt should put you over 800. Maybe up that dose.
Well that "doctor" is an idiot and it's no wonder he is on Youtube.There’s an hrt doctor on YouTube who claims there’s no benefit to getting on testosterone if it doesn’t get you over 800. That’s the minimum and he likes to see around 1000.
It wasn’t a claim he made out of thin air, it was based on studies and what he sees in his patients. But believe what you want.Well that "doctor" is an idiot and it's no wonder he is on Youtube.
It’s not like it’s his YouTube channel, he volunteers to do it for a bodybuilding magazine or website. The guy works with professional athletes and I’m pretty sure he’s more knowledgeable about steroids then your hrt doctor.Well that "doctor" is an idiot and it's no wonder he is on Youtube.
We aren't talking about steroids, we are talking about HRT. So I have no doubt he knows more.It’s not like it’s his YouTube channel, he volunteers to do it for a bodybuilding magazine or website. The guy works with professional athletes and I’m pretty sure he’s more knowledgeable about steroids then your hrt doctor.
Having small balls is a good ****ing thing, it makes your dick look bigger! All about the dick to balls ratio at the end of the day :32:Oklahoma Men's Clinic wanted to keep my levels around 1300 plus they did HCG injections to. Cost was high though, like $300 a month if I remember right. F that. Self administered..... $5 a month. No HCG though so gotta deal with baby nads
So if you’re a specialist who makes a YouTube video, now you’re no longer a specialist? Whatever. Do what feels good for you but I believe getting on hrt and only being at 600 is a little low. Everyone’s body is different of course and that may make you feel great but for many other men that wouldn’t suffice.We aren't talking about steroids, we are talking about HRT. So I have no doubt he knows more.
But, you continue to get your guidance from Youtube and I will continue to work with actual specialists and get my lab work done as always.
A frustrating truth.Chasing numbers is a dangerous game. TRT is for addressing symptoms and overall health, not trying to obtain some number. Some guys feel good at 900, others feel better at 600. It's individualistic.
Right. And what do you think would happen to someone's conscience and character is they genuinely did not believe they would taste the sting of death nor fear it but rather were convinced they would continue to live on in a more ideal state of being, perceiving physical death as a necessary step to freeing the soul to something greater?Indeed, most notably bc of our intelect being able to recognise that it's existence is finite. That consciousness has an expiration date. Thus enters culture and all formal systems that are highly conventional. This systems in turn help us deal with the anxiety that is caused by our understanding that death is inevitable. This is really mildly put. The discourse extends firstly to terror management theory and then forward to structuralism, post structuralism, semiotics, etc.
To continue your thought; all living conscious human beings have anxiety about failure, decadence, ie. death. Closer you are to it: no stable job, no apartment, kids, partner, bad career prospects, etc. the more you feel it. It's the monster behind the dark corner, it's the human animal that will kill or hurt you withouth remorse, it's the alien and monsters that chase you in your dreams, it's death. It was Ernest Beckers proposition that basically all that we do comes from denial of death, we are shielding our selfs from it with culture, rules, houses, jobs, money, muscles.
Haha. I definitely have an advantage then. Some days I cant feel em at all lol.Having small balls is a good ****ing thing, it makes your dick look bigger! All about the dick to balls ratio at the end of the day :32:
What exactly does animalistic mean?Idk I'm not saying your wrong but...
When I go off test, my confidence drops, my performance at work and in relationships drop.. Could be just me.
But I know people can tell you're different when you're on. You're more energetic, confident, and women can sense it. It's animalistic
There is some truth to this, surely, but I also think you might be wildly underplaying the discipline card. It's tempting to think these guys aren't really disciplined and are just riding on GH, insulin & androgens to get huge. Thing is, if it were that easy, more people would look like them. Period.They've really left anything semi normal behind. The training is barely important. Just insane gh and insulin use, shovelling ten k calories in, being immobile and severely unhealthy. Look at how old these guys look. Dennis Wolf looks 60 at 38. Dallas Mcarver looked 45 at 25. Look out for these pros dropping dead a lot more often than the 90s guys.
Very well said.What exactly does animalistic mean?
But let's figure something else out too. You are pre-supposing that your perspective about the world around you and others perspective of you are mutually exclusive. Do they have to be though?
Does not your perspective about things influence and alter others perspective about those same things? If you are more confident & more certain of your capability to do things, would it not also be possible that others adjust their belief accordingly? Contemplate this:
I personally believe that leadership is just another term for someone who is able to influence others to bend to their will. Leading essentially means others are following and since the leader is the one determining the direction, the leader is the one influencing the followers. Therefore, leading is influencing. I say all this to ask this question: Isn't that what we're talking about here in the context of women being more interested and attracted to men on Test - Women bending to your will via more perceived confidence in you?
Can you be a leader (influencer) if you are unconfident and uncertain of your held beliefs about something? Can you possibly expect to influence others when you are double-minded about the topic at hand? It's a rhetorical question.
So the Test is undoubtedly changing your brain, your circuitry, your hormones and confidence and it is changing your behavior to others (and your own self-esteem) in a positive, contagious way. So naturally, others start adjusting their interactions with you. The point is that they didn't change your circumstance, rather, they adjusted to you changing it.
What I meant to convey is that others are adjusting their perspective of you in response to you adjusting your perspective of them, because you are perceiving the world around you differently. People orient themselves to others based on what characteristics, decisions and actions that other exude in their social interaction. They don't "sense" the greater Testosterone in you, they sense the greater certainty, confidence and forthrightness in you - and you don't need 5-fold testosterone increases to possess such qualities. Sure, it helps. But it isn't a pre-requisite for those things. Learn to possess that confidence without it and you'll be nearly unstoppable with it.
True that everyone is different and I feel best at a dose of 300mg to 500mg but that’s way too much for health reasons so I basically have to look at the numbers to make sure my testosterone level isn’t too high.Chasing numbers is a dangerous game. TRT is for addressing symptoms and overall health, not trying to obtain some number. Some guys feel good at 900, others feel better at 600. It's individualistic.
YouTube in itself isn't a credential statement. The individual that you take advice from on YT is the one with credentials (or lack thereof). It is the watchers due diligence to see if those things be true via other research. You don't need to pay $50K - $250K to have knowledge or expertise on a subject anymore. But I'm sure you know that and I don't suppose you were even contesting that fact.We aren't talking about steroids, we are talking about HRT. So I have no doubt he knows more.
But, you continue to get your guidance from Youtube and I will continue to work with actual specialists and get my lab work done as always.
I don't disagree with any of this and I would emphasize the fact that research from multiple avenues should always be done, there is so much information on any given topic available to us, that there is no excuse. However, the ease of access and the lack of any oversight from social media platforms is a problem because you arm people with knowledge that may or may not have any actual factual basis and say it enough, it becomes true. Now, we of course know that this can happen with anything including our own medical professionals, but the simple access is the difference. Now you get someone on YouTube making an opinion regarding what he likes to see with testosterone levels and you get a Young Thor seeing it and believing that is how it should be when even a minimal amount of research would prove that there is no validity to that.YouTube in itself isn't a credential statement. The individual that you take advice from on YT is the one with credentials (or lack thereof). It is the watchers due diligence to see if those things be true via other research. You don't need to pay $50K - $250K to have knowledge or expertise on a subject anymore. But I'm sure you know that and I don't suppose you were even contesting that fact.
But for those that have invested all their life into the knowledge base of the dated university system, I can see how online platforms like YT & Patreon are threatening because it suggests that the university credentials might not be worth what is paid for it.
Anyways, YT has created a new platform, a second Gutenberg Press, that is going to change the world very rapidly.
Starting with the destruction of the university & the main stream media. And their hubris won't allow them to even realize it as it happens.
Sorry, but that wasn't Christianity. It's a lot of the same beliefs but like it or not Christianity wasn't around 5000 years ago, it was invented later. Just because early Christian founders stole ideas from previous religions does not mean they can claim that all of those other civilisations from aztecs to ancient Greeks to Egyptians were actually Christians without knowing it. That would be as disrespectful as Christians would think I'm being right now.Right. And what do you think would happen to someone's conscience and character is they genuinely did not believe they would taste the sting of death nor fear it but rather were convinced they would continue to live on in a more ideal state of being, perceiving physical death as a necessary step to freeing the soul to something greater?
Like it or not, believe it or not, live it or not, if we did not fear death and did not concern ourselves with survival in the flesh, we could then overcome the fearful & incredibly selfish behaviors you just outlined above. We could rise above our 'instinctive effort to survive', putting the death the monsters of selfishness, mortality & fear itself. For those that actually get it right and contemplate deeply about what it all means, this is precisely what Christianity has been offering societies for over five millennia, not two. This belief pre-dates even the Samaritan societies by the Thracians, around 5000-5500 years ago.
What would life look like to you if you didn't fear death? You probably wouldn't be talking about how women like extra testosterone, for instance.
Yep, I just went there, lol.
I think you’re definitely paying more attention to every girl who walks by and you check to see if they’re checking you out more when you’re on. Girls want to f*ck as much as guys do but they have to be sly about it because of cultural norms.This is getting deep.
Regardless of pathway of action. When you're "on", hotter girls than normal check you out and you notice BC you're already checking out every girl lol. You're a beast and they want to be ravaged. Dirty sluts.
Could you imagine how much fukkin would be going on if girls acted just like dudes? Every public restroom stall would be bellowing with moans.I think you’re definitely paying more attention to every girl who walks by and you check to see if they’re checking you out more when you’re on. Girls want to f*ck as much as guys do but they have to be sly about it because of cultural norms.
Hahaha yeah and we’d still be living in caves because nothing would get done.Could you imagine how much fukkin would be going on if girls acted just like dudes? Every public restroom stall would be bellowing with moans.
If you believe that you'll believe anything! I am bigger than Feroce height and weight wise anyway,the guys a midget. Pretty weird of guys to be whining about 300mhs of test a,week on a forum dedicated to system destroying short cycles of garbage prohormones.Seth Feroce cruises on 175mg of Test C a week. You’re not bigger than him and 300 a week will eventually bite you in the ass long term.
Sexual liberation was just around the corner, during the 60s where women didnt wear undearwear, public nudity was accepted, people were participating in orgies while smoking marijuana, etc. Those must have been good timesCould you imagine how much fukkin would be going on if girls acted just like dudes? Every public restroom stall would be bellowing with moans.
Doubt it, I just like showing a pic like that when people say we are the only species that does homo.Are those lions homo or what?
I guess estrogen makes you hot in the drawz too.... for dudesThe thing I don’t understand about girls and testosterone and libido (jumping on an earlier comment about how girls wanna **** just as much as guys): girls have significantly less testosterone in their bodies then men but how is it they (girls) can have a healthy libido with extremely low test but men with low test have little to no libido? That’s crazy when you think about it. What is it about girls that allows them to have as much of a sex drive as guys but with way less test?
Yeah, and their testosterone requirement is much lower. It’s a more potent hormone for them. While men can have fluctuations of a few hundred ng/dl and not feel it, a woman would experience some serious adverse reactions, like masculinization, if this were to occur to them. But there’s more to libido than testosterone alone. There’s plenty of men out there that have relatively low test levels and their libido is healthy.I guess estrogen makes you hot in the drawz too.... for dudes
DHT not Test influences libido. Don't know if test by it self has any direct action for libido...? So if you are a bigger 5 alpha reductase guy, ie. u a horny mofo, you will need less test to produce the same amount of dht. I for instance have natural TT at upper lab range but DHT at lower lab range. Also depends on how much SHBG you have as that will determine how much free test you have. Which is important as I think only FT can convert to DHT.Yeah, and their testosterone requirement is much lower. It’s a more potent hormone for them. While men can have fluctuations of a few hundred ng/dl and not feel it, a woman would experience some serious adverse reactions, like masculinization, if this were to occur to them. But there’s more to libido than testosterone alone. There’s plenty of men out there that have relatively low test levels and their libido is healthy.
Cant do much about upping dht except to free as much test as possible. You can take synthetic dht like proviron or dht PH's like epiandro.What’s effective at lowering SHBG/upping DHT?
Rub DHEA on ur nuts.What’s effective at lowering SHBG/upping DHT?
What was offensive again? The idea that a certain held belief system pre-dates the rest?Sorry, but that wasn't Christianity. It's a lot of the same beliefs but like it or not Christianity wasn't around 5000 years ago, it was invented later. Just because early Christian founders stole ideas from previous religions does not mean they can claim that all of those other civilisations from aztecs to ancient Greeks to Egyptians were actually Christians without knowing it. That would be as disrespectful as Christians would think I'm being right now.
I just wrote you a huge message then turns out your message inbox is full lol.What was offensive again? The idea that a certain held belief system pre-dates the rest?
Whether believing the Bible or not, you do realize that the patriarchs in the Old Testament worshipped looking forward in anticipation of Christ and the Christians worshipped looking back at His work and teaching?
And that Genesis 6 gives explanation to where the Hindu, Egyptian, Sumerian & Greek “gods” came from - the inception of pagan worship? The Old Testament has hundreds of verses that speak of Christ’s first and second coming. It nailed His arrival to the exact year some 490 years prior in Daniel 9:24-27, for instance.
Not only this, but the very earliest Christian “converts” were in fact Israeli-Hebrews, which when traced back in their lineage, goes all the way back to...what for it...Adam.
This is common knowledge to those who study the Bible diligently and with an open mind.
But the Thracean comment you seem to have just ignored via cognitive dissonance.
It’s fine to not believe me. I didn’t expect everyone to. I should have cited some resources for that because it would have some large implications for Christian & Jewish haters. But what I said shouldn’t be an existential threat to anyone’s held beliefs. The age & semantics of the belief aside, the rest of my point (and the most important) still stands.
But so you know, back in 2006, a man by the name of Steven Guide and his colleague Tsevatan Guidarski decoded an ancient Thracian script that revealed this truth. Before he could make some noise about it shortly after he was poisoned but his work is still out there, you just have to look for it.
If this conversation still needs to continue, please do so in PM out of respect for the topic staying remotely on-point. You don’t have to make a point and “win” the argument with a second rebuttal - the vast majority of this board agrees with you and you aren’t likely to convince me differently as my position is an evolution of yours - as in I once held the same opinion that you do about it. What I claim here is novel information that has to be checked out and shouldn’t receive an extensive rebuttal until verified to be incorrect.
And lastly, I never said the other religions were copycats of ancient Hebrew worship - they are quite the opposite, a departure from it. What I said was that the worship of Yeshua, son of Yehuwah, pre-dates the rest by thousands of years.
Have a good evening though. I genuinely mean that.
Nothing against Judaism or Christianity, I was raised Jewish, and still am I suppose, go to Church, have multiple annotated translations of the Bible, as well as books works by many great monks, priests, and theologians, and a ton of academic papers on Judaism and Christianity, with a particular interest in Biblical canon and the history of the Church, as well as have read and researched many religions and philosophies ranging from Hinduism and Buddhism to Taoism and Stoicism, and I can say with a great deal of certainty that Hinduism predates Judaism.What was offensive again? The idea that a certain held belief system pre-dates the rest?
Whether believing the Bible or not, you do realize that the patriarchs in the Old Testament worshipped looking forward in anticipation of Christ and the Christians worshipped looking back at His work and teaching?
And that Genesis 6 gives explanation to where the Hindu, Egyptian, Sumerian & Greek “gods” came from - the inception of pagan worship? The Old Testament has hundreds of verses that speak of Christ’s first and second coming. It nailed His arrival to the exact year some 490 years prior in Daniel 9:24-27, for instance.
Not only this, but the very earliest Christian “converts” were in fact Israeli-Hebrews, which when traced back in their lineage, goes all the way back to...what for it...Adam.
This is common knowledge to those who study the Bible diligently and with an open mind.
But the Thracean comment you seem to have just ignored via cognitive dissonance.
It’s fine to not believe me. I didn’t expect everyone to. I should have cited some resources for that because it would have some large implications for Christian & Jewish haters. But what I said shouldn’t be an existential threat to anyone’s held beliefs. The age & semantics of the belief aside, the rest of my point (and the most important) still stands.
But so you know, back in 2006, a man by the name of Steven Guide and his colleague Tsevatan Guidarski decoded an ancient Thracian script that revealed this truth. Before he could make some noise about it shortly after he was poisoned but his work is still out there, you just have to look for it.
If this conversation still needs to continue, please do so in PM out of respect for the topic staying remotely on-point. You don’t have to make a point and “win” the argument with a second rebuttal - the vast majority of this board agrees with you and you aren’t likely to convince me differently as my position is an evolution of yours - as in I once held the same opinion that you do about it. What I claim here is novel information that has to be checked out and shouldn’t receive an extensive rebuttal until verified to be incorrect.
And lastly, I never said the other religions were copycats of ancient Hebrew worship - they are quite the opposite, a departure from it. What I said was that the worship of Yeshua, son of Yehuwah, pre-dates the rest by thousands of years.
Have a good evening though. I genuinely mean that.
I’ve done that a few times. Had me ready to f*ck or fight!!!Rub DHEA on ur nuts.
Does it increase the effect if you get someone else to rub it on?I’ve done that a few times. Had me ready to f*ck or fight!!!
Fun fact, Socrates/Plato said that each what we would call sin, or even an earthly desire, is like a nail that binds the soul to the body, and prevents the soul from communion with the divine after death.Right. And what do you think would happen to someone's conscience and character is they genuinely did not believe they would taste the sting of death nor fear it but rather were convinced they would continue to live on in a more ideal state of being, perceiving physical death as a necessary step to freeing the soul to something greater?
Like it or not, believe it or not, live it or not, if we did not fear death and did not concern ourselves with survival in the flesh, we could then overcome the fearful & incredibly selfish behaviors you just outlined above. We could rise above our 'instinctive effort to survive', putting the death the monsters of selfishness, mortality & fear itself. For those that actually get it right and contemplate deeply about what it all means, this is precisely what Christianity has been offering societies for over five millennia, not two. This belief pre-dates even the Samaritan societies by the Thracians, around 5000-5500 years ago.
What would life look like to you if you didn't fear death? You probably wouldn't be talking about how women like extra testosterone, for instance.
Yep, I just went there, lol.
What about Lylith?Nothing against Judaism or Christianity, I was raised Jewish, and still am I suppose, go to Church, have multiple annotated translations of the Bible, as well as books works by many great monks, priests, and theologians, and a ton of academic papers on Judaism and Christianity, with a particular interest in Biblical canon and the history of the Church, as well as have read and researched many religions and philosophies ranging from Hinduism and Buddhism to Taoism and Stoicism, and I can say with a great deal of certainty that Hinduism predates Judaism.
The events described in the Old Testament may predate the writing of the oldest Hindu scriptures, but the actual date of the founding/beginning of the religion itself, not the lineage or ancestry you can trace it back through, does not. In fact, what we would cal Judaism doesn’t really even begin until Abraham.
If you want to be technical, if you adhere to the Judeo-Christian literal belief that Adam and Eve were the first humans and every human came from them, then literally every person who has ever lived or ever will live, and every religion that has ever existed or will ever exist can also trace its lineage back to Adam. This is an irrefutable fact if you accept the premise of Adam and Eve as mentioned above.
I’m fairly sure that the idea of Lilith as Adam’s first wife is a “newer” Jewish belief, as in it didn’t originate until after the canonical Old Testament was written, and after the events of the New Testament took place, so it’s not really inherently canonical for Jews or Christians.What about Lylith?
During the Middle Ages, Jewish sources began to claim her as Adam’s first—and terrifying—wife.
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/hebrew-bible/lilith-in-the-bible-and-mythology/The creation of humans is described in Genesis 1 and in Genesis 2...
In the post-Biblical period, some ancient Jewish scholars took the stance that Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:21–22 must describe two separate events, since it appears that woman is created differently in these accounts...
Professor Janet Howe Gaines explains this reasoning: “Considering every word of the Bible to be accurate and sacred, commentators needed a midrash or story to explain the disparity in the creation narratives of Genesis 1 and 2. God creates woman twice—once with man, once from man’s rib—so there must have been two women. The Bible names the second woman Eve; Lilith was identified as the first in order to complete the story.” Accordingly, Genesis 1:27 describes the creation of Adam and an unnamed woman (Lilith); Genesis 2:7 gives more details of Adam’s creation; and Genesis 2:21–22 describes the creation of Eve from Adam.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/537379.pdf?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contentsSomewhat more is known about the life history of Lilith and her nefarious activities as they were imagined in the Talmudic period. Lilith, we learn, was Adam's first wife.
It’s likely secondary. If you have high testosterone but are out of shape, not confident, etc. it’s likely not going to help much. But if you’re on cycle, and getting bigger and leaner, and perhaps acting more confidently, then of course you’ll be more attractive.Yeah, but what about high levels of androgens, and chicks wanting to get with you
This. It’s not like a pig smelling truffles; androgens help someone come off as masculine, they’re not the goal themselves.Women are attracted to masculinity while men are attracted to femininity. Obviously there are outliers to this rule. Androgens help you exhibit more masculine traits with your physical build and your personality. Case closed.
Yup, thread can be closed now cuz this is the answer.It’s likely secondary. If you have high testosterone but are out of shape, not confident, etc. it’s likely not going to help much. But if you’re on cycle, and getting bigger and leaner, and perhaps acting more confidently, then of course you’ll be more attractive.
For example, if you’re an out of shape slob and inject some testosterone you won’t suddenly be much more attractive to women overnight, but if you’re in good shape and jump on a cycle, as you gain muscle and maybe get leaner and feel more confident and/or alpha, you’ll likely be more attractive to women. Make sense?
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