T-Bone
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Yes that is true. People who haven't read the entire Bible or don't understand it often take things out of context and then are confused. You have to read and study the whole bible if you truly want to understand.
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Yes that is true. People who haven't read the entire Bible or don't understand it often take things out of context and then are confused. You have to read and study the whole bible if you truly want to understand.
Flaw
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B5150
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"My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command. I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. This is my command: Love each other." John 15:12-17
B5150
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A few members on this board make this very challenging at times lol
My guess is He may have faced quite a few challenges himself
kingk0ng
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God truly does have a sense of humor. My cousins wifes mother mother had two boys, then she prayed for God to send them a girl. After that she had my cousins wife and now they have six grandbabies and all of them are girls haha. None of them can have boys. I think that's Gods sense of humor lol.
"If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer." - Mathew 21:22
I'm glad this forum is filled with christians. Most other boards are full of atheists. I remember when I was in nursing school all the science we had to learn was turning people against God. My opinion on the matter is, if you truly have faith and the connection with God that you're supposed to, nothing could ever cause you to turn your back on him and disbelive his word. I would never, ever under any circumstances break my faith in God.
When I was in the Marines, everyone had faith in God. I was a NCO when I was discharged, and if there was ever a time someone ignored us or asked not do a particular task and it had to do with that persons religion, we respected it.
"If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer." - Mathew 21:22
I'm glad this forum is filled with christians. Most other boards are full of atheists. I remember when I was in nursing school all the science we had to learn was turning people against God. My opinion on the matter is, if you truly have faith and the connection with God that you're supposed to, nothing could ever cause you to turn your back on him and disbelive his word. I would never, ever under any circumstances break my faith in God.
When I was in the Marines, everyone had faith in God. I was a NCO when I was discharged, and if there was ever a time someone ignored us or asked not do a particular task and it had to do with that persons religion, we respected it.
B5150
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Don't deceive yourself.
kingk0ng
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What does that mean?
kingk0ng
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Pretty sure he means while there many Christians here, there are also many atheists, agnostics, along with other religions represented here. In addition to this, there are many who claim to be Christians, that have no idea what that even truly means
Oh, I see. That's everywhere though.
What I meant by this being a christian forum, is this thread looks like it's had a lot of posts. If you would attempt to make a thread like this on another forum, you'd be attacked by nonbelievers and thrown a bunch of science mumbo jumbo on why you should immediately change your faith in Christ. I've seen it done and have even been attacked before over it. As a matter a fact, I was even banned one time over it.
B5150
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They just so happens to be the majority in a thread "Favorite Bible Quotes."
We moderate fairly in the aspect of freedom of expression within a respectful discourse.
There have been hundreds of discussion on the existence of God on this board from a reason, logic, scientific and scriptural perspective that have generated very heated discussion. All are welcome in light of the rules of respectful discourse.
Beware, there are some very intelligent people out there on both sides. In the event that you want to debate the existence of God beyond "I believe He exists" you will be made a fool and not present your case in a substantive enough manner to dispute a reason, logic and science based argument.
Neither get banned as long as both behave properly
We moderate fairly in the aspect of freedom of expression within a respectful discourse.
There have been hundreds of discussion on the existence of God on this board from a reason, logic, scientific and scriptural perspective that have generated very heated discussion. All are welcome in light of the rules of respectful discourse.
Beware, there are some very intelligent people out there on both sides. In the event that you want to debate the existence of God beyond "I believe He exists" you will be made a fool and not present your case in a substantive enough manner to dispute a reason, logic and science based argument.
Neither get banned as long as both behave properly
AE14
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David Dunn said:They just so happens to be the majority in a thread "Favorite Bible Quotes."
We moderate fairly in the aspect of freedom of expression within a respectful discourse.
There have been hundreds of discussion on the existence of God on this board from a reason, logic, scientific and scriptural perspective that have generated very heated discussion. All are welcome in light of the rules of respectful discourse.
Beware, there are some very intelligent people out there on both sides. In the event that you want to debate the existence of God beyond "I believe He exists" you will be made a fool and not present your case in a substantive enough manner to dispute a reason, logic and science based argument.
Neither get banned as long as both behave properly
Well said, an I (as you know) always enjoy a respectful debate. It is more for educational purposes and should not be in any way an attempt to change someone's belief.
With that said, have a great holiday B.
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fueledpassion
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I'm curious about this topic of closed-mindedness. Let's start from the beginning of the subject and discuss by what definition do you mean "closed-minded"..
Personally, I think you'll find that in one case, someone who just believes in God because someone else demands it, expects it, and imposes it on another individual could very well be an example of close-mindedness. But on the other hand, someone can investigate Christ, find truth in His Word, study it and search for God in his own efforts and yet still come to the same belief as the former example. Is he then close-minded too?
I just want to make sure that we are being fair and defining close-mindedness as HOW someone comes to believe in something rather than WHAT someone comes to believe in. Get my drift?
Other thoughts...
1) Is believing in the unseen really close-minded? I find myself having to have faith and an open-mind just like a child in order to maintain a healthy faith in God - especially in this day and age when society is so anti-Biblical and prefer progressive behaviors over modesty and fairness.
2) You see, in this country you might argue that believing in God is closed-minded since for centuries this country has always respected, albeit not always worshiped, the Christian God - Christ. But is believing in God (Christ) so close-minded in a pagan country?
I want to keep this a fair, polite dialogue between you and I. I hope, I just hope that others (whom frequently seem to be offended at the idea of Christianity) can keep quiet during this conversation and show some respect to either side. Anyways, I'm not attacking - I'm talking.
B5150
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Always a pleasure. Thank you.
Harry Manback
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Understood.
The movie "Religulous" by Bill Maher presents many of the questions I have. It seems that God is good if you follow his rules and if you don't follow everything to a T then you are branded a sinner even if you morally are a good person. In the eyes of God, commiting theft and commiting murder hold the same weight. I tell you one thing, in my eyes it doesn't. So I think it has to do with morals.
What I don't understand is that according to Christianity, believers will go to heaven and non believers will go to hell. That seems kind of skewed to me. There are various other forms of religions out there that don't believe in God or follow Chirsitianity. So because they believe in something different, regardless if they are a great human being, they are going to hell? That seems a bit rediculous. To me it seems you are scared into believing.
Another thing is the Bible. It was written by man. Therefore it's not perfect. Plus it was written many many years ago. Life has changed, we have evolved. By this logic, we should be following the same government guidelines from those times. Community stonings and the likes.
It seems that every other day there was miracles happening. Now, nothing happens. Anyone split a sea lately?
Science and Religion conflict each other. So if you believe in God and follow Christianity, then you certainly can't believe in any of the information that science prooves for us. i.e. the earth being millions and millions of years old, evolution, outer space and various other galaxies/life forms.
How about the crusades? Those were good days pushed by good Christians...or wait...actually it was the opposite. But slaying people is what God wants. If this is the case, then we do not have a need for human rights. If wars can be blessed by the pope, no one is safe.
Religion causes many if not most of the worlds problems. With so many conflicting religions out there, how can you be so sure that you're right with Christainity and everyone else who is not is wrong. Surely they are living a lie, no? Please don't say it's a faith thing. Do you think muslims really get 27 virgins? Because they surely have faith that they do in heaven.
The mind simply can not compute absolute nothingness. So it comes up with something to hold on to, a sense of false reality so that it can function without a misfire.
B5150
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Your points are old and tired. There are no new points to dispute.
Take this OT discussion off-line.
fueledpassion
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Its ok. I can actually address most of these with simplicity.
The movie "Religulous" by Bill Maher presents many of the questions I have. It seems that God is good if you follow his rules and if you don't follow everything to a T then you are branded a sinner even if you morally are a good person. In the eyes of God, commiting theft and commiting murder hold the same weight. I tell you one thing, in my eyes it doesn't. So I think it has to do with morals.
This concept is consistent with all religions but Christianity. As with anything in life, people like BM seem to have an aggressive stance against religion and Christianity simply because of lack of information, or perhaps miscommunication by the "christian" organizations. Christians are sinners. Cut and dry no exceptions. We are sinners just like everyone else. Do we like it? No. Do we deliberately continue in it? We try not to. Are we still imperfect even in our "righteousness"? Yes. The righteousness I have is from Christ, not myself. So yes, I go to heaven because I realize that it is God and only God that gives me righteousness through Christ. My faith can been seen as genuine if I follow Christ. My following Christ doesn't define my salvation or righteousness, but, without works - faith isn't legit. The faith and dedication I put into loving God and loving others is evidence that I truly believe in and rely on Christ's work on the cross. He is perfect. And He offers that perfection to all who choose to follow Him in faith. I would elaborate on this more but I need to get to my first point, lol. God created the commandments and the "law" to do one thing only - to lead us to Christ. Think about it. We sinned in the beginning out of pride. So the only way to break us of our pride is to give us a command(s) that we cannot fulfill. He breaks us by giving us impossible laws to follow. (Romans 3-19:20) The Law makes us conscious of our sin and imperfection. God created us as sinless beings but we chose ourselves over Him thus creating a life and world about "self" rather than "others". You can easily see that correlation today. Pride and selfishness drive our sin. So when God tells us to post His commanments in our doorway, to talk about them in the home and to live by them every minute of every day, (Deut. 6) He is actually wanting us to be exposed to our sin through the Law. The Law defines God's character and sets an impossible but perfect standard. We humans tend to
compare ourselves to one another, not to God as we should. Thus, the need for the Law. Finally, when Christ mentioned that being angry with your brother is just the same as murdering your brother, there was soooo much Christ was accomplishing in that statement. We have to look at the proper context of the statement to understand it. For instance,
1) The audience was a bunch of prideful, stuck-up Jews who thought they were holy and "above" the Gentiles (which was everyone else). Sound familiar? Sound like today's American Christian!?!? I have to agree. Christ wanted to show them that they aren't perfect and that they aren't living by the commandments as they so thought. He did this by bringing the "2.0" version of Mosaic Law. By taking things up a notch, this prideful society would see that they aren't perfect. And they knew very well what the consequence of imperfection meant. It was just a matter of bringing it to their attention. You see other examples of Jesus analyzing the heart of man such as the lusting and sleeping with a woman as being the same as well. And they are. Christ is concerned with our heart, which causes the outward behavior of sin in the first place.
2) Can you really murder a man without first being angry with him? Can you? Anger has to be present in some way or fashion to retaliate(I do not mean "to kill" or defend by killing)
3) Can you wind up sleeping with someone other than your wife without first lusting after or "desiring" that woman? Get my drift?
Another thing is the Bible. It was written by man. Therefore it's not perfect. Plus it was written many many years ago. Life has changed, we have evolved. By this logic, we should be following the same government guidelines from those times. Community stonings and the likes.
66 individual books written by 40 different authors over a 1500 year period in 3 different continents and in 3 different languages with a very very consistent plot and theme. Behold, the Holy Bible. God's love letter to man. His calling to us to come back to Him before He's destroys unholiness. I have to disagree that it is not perfect. When it comes to writing a book, the real metric of measurement is whether the book communicates it's point effectively and in this case, considering the millions of lives that it has changed - I have to say it's just perfect for man.
People can't even communicate a simple statement consistently over the course of a day in the office or a class period in school much less a story with so many characters, authors and chapters over 1500 years in different cultures and languages. God has a presence in the work of this Bible whether man wants to realize it or not.
BTW, I want to add that the countries, governments and characters of the Bible were not included to show us something or someone to follow. They were there to reveal how bad we really are as humans. All of our history and "dirty laundry" is in this book. The point, to give us reason to see our need for a savior. The ONLY character that God intended for us to follow in the Bible is Christ. His example is the only worthy one to note.
So because they believe in something different, regardless if they are a great human being, they are going to hell? That seems a bit rediculous. To me it seems you are scared into believing.
Compared to who? The people around me? The guy next door? The prison-mate next to me? How about Hitler? I bet I look good enough to go to heaven compared to him don't I? The benchmark isn' men and women. The benchmark is Christ, who did come to earth and did live a perfect life and offer us a gift. That gift was paying for man's sins - past, present and future and to give us His record of perfection. To come back to Him, follow Him and love Him. When you are God, you can do things like that. Think about how successful and widespread the Bible has been compared to all other texts. Coincidence? I think not.
And as for the Crusades and religion causing problems. I agree. Crusades is a great example of how Satan took a positive intention and corrupted it, causing men to be prideful and forget the whole point of following Christ which is to love Him and love people. Sticking middle-easterners with swords isn't what I call "loving" them and this was certainly not God's work. Satan obviously has won a few followers here and there (being sarcastic). Lol, in fact, he has the whole world.
After all, until Christians get this concept of "selflessness" no one will see and believe in Christ. Christ specifically said, "love one another as I have loved you" and also said that in doing so that people will see Christ in that love, not in our obedience to the Law. The Law was created to establish a direction for God' people - that direction as mentioned earlier is to Christ. The Law reveals our need for a savior yet we often use it to compare our "performance" with others. Christ actually fulfilled the Law and in doing so destroyed the need for religion! Besides, the root phrase for religion is "to bind". Doesn't sound like something I want to be apart of and I can't blame you for being turned off as well. But that isn't what Christianity is really about. Many will say it is and guess what? They aren't true believers either. They are just like the Jews who think their works are necessary to go to heaven. Bull crap - we all deserve our wages of death bceause our work is nothing but sin (Genesis 6 & Romans 3:10) That's why Christ said He will "free us" from our bondage to sin and that's why He also said His yoke is easy because leaning on Christ for salvation and righteousness is much easier than trying to obtain it through denial and pride in oneself. Do you get the objective yet? Is it forming in your mind? I want you to be able to envision God and His creation. I want you to be able to envision the depth of God's love for man and what hell He put himself through to get us back to Himself. By leaning on Christ, I must make my life about Christ instead of myself. And since Christ has tons of examples of what "to do", I also have lots of tips on how to please God and thus satisfy my own soul since the Holy Spirit now resides in me! God makes a new nature out of men. Our sinful nature gratifies the desires of sinful behaviors but when God lives in my soul and resides in my mind, I now gratify righteous behavior. Sure, I can still sin. And quite honestly, I do still sin. But so long as I continue to do so, I am miserable. Living in constant wickedness/sin for me is about as awkward as an athiest attempting to sing praise hymnals in a Church of Christ service.
Take a look at this- Here is one of your old brethren that is now one of my brethren, lol: Invalid Link Removed
He converted after experience God's love through His people. Just some food for thought...
fueledpassion
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Sorry. I missed the part where you booted other topics. My bad we'll go off-line for this.
fueledpassion
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Well, I'm just gonna roll with the topic lol. My favorite: John 3:30 "He must become greater, I must become less."
B5150
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We recently studied John and this one really capture my mind and heart: John 1:30 "This is the one I meant when I said, "A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.""
Harry Manback
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This is the first time I've signed in in over a year. He quoted me and asked me a question so I responded. Don't give me that my posts are old and tired. So is the bible if you want to go there. C'mon man. Our conversation is going offline but just because you believe differently than I do doesn't mean you should come at me like that. Unfortunately, it's people like you that only push me farther away from having faith again. And that's not what God wants.
B5150
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Come at you like what? I said your "point" is old and tired. It's been presented by hundreds before you.
I simply asked you to take it off line as both yours and his posts were OT.
As far as pushing you away...you've already made up your mind and I am not going to attemp to pursuade you one way or the other. I take no offense to the fact that you, and most people, try to find someone or something to blame.
Flaw
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Exodus 3:15" And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations". (ASV)
Harry Manback
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LOL
gokix811
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Not a quote from the Bible, but has always resonated with me. The Serenity Prayer.
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.[/FONT]
Flaw
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[SUP] "[/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins," Hebrews 10:26
Despite what many psuedo christians might tell you, Faith and knowledge of the truth is not enough if we willfully practice sin and do not practice good works.
[SUP]" [/SUP]For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, even so faith apart from works is dead." - James 2:26
Despite what many psuedo christians might tell you, Faith and knowledge of the truth is not enough if we willfully practice sin and do not practice good works.
[SUP]" [/SUP]For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, even so faith apart from works is dead." - James 2:26
MuscleGauge1
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I'm a big fan of salvation. Romans 10:9
B5150
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Sounds like you need to Invalid Link Removed titled: Favorite Quran Quotes.
iamchesko
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Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends 1 Corinthians 13:4–8a
huxley309
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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am The Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
vidapreta
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