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habajaba said:
FWIW, I think HIT4ME hardly looks scrawny. The latest pics really show some definition. There's something to be said for cutting down to the bottom and then building on top of that base.

Personally, I prefer to try and balance it into a recomp where I'm adding muscle, which in turn burns more fat. Just more my cup of tea.
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Well first, I'm not saying he looks scrawny now. But, he's wanting to lose another 15 pounds and I think THAT would make him look scrawny.

I think if he started bulking, while not overdoing calorie surplus, he'd look a lot better and as you say the extra muscle would help with those last few pounds of fat.
 
Kaprice said:
Well first, I'm not saying he looks scrawny now. But, he's wanting to lose another 15 pounds and I think THAT would make him look scrawny.

I think if he started bulking, while not overdoing calorie surplus, he'd look a lot better and as you say the extra muscle would help with those last few pounds of fat.
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I guess I took your comment the wrong way. Like we were discussing last week, when I got down to 179, I had people tell me I looked scrawny. But I was actually very healthy. Not as big, muscularly, as I'd have liked. But not sad looking. Balanced is the word I'd use to describe it. For that reason, I'm sensitive to that type of categorization.

If hit goes another 15, we'll certainly find out how it looks on him. :)
 
Kaprice said:
Well first, I'm not saying he looks scrawny now. But, he's wanting to lose another 15 pounds and I think THAT would make him look scrawny.

I think if he started bulking, while not overdoing calorie surplus, he'd look a lot better and as you say the extra muscle would help with those last few pounds of fat.
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I think it's going to be hard to avoid looking small and depleted in his case dropping so much weight on a body that has never intentionally bulked before. I think he should try for that last 10 since he has already started 11-kt at a higher dose. I just see more value in it for a deficit than a surplus. It's not cheap either. Bulking now would work too. It's definitely easier to get leaner after every surplus cycle. More than one way to skin a cat.
 
Rand0m said:
More than one way to skin a cat.
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Interesting you should say that. Because he kinda looks like a skinned cat in his last pics! :D
 
Rand0m said:
I think it's going to be hard to avoid looking small and depleted in his case dropping so much weight on a body that has never intentionally bulked before. I think he should try for that last 10 since he has already started 11-kt at a higher dose. I just see more value in it for a deficit than a surplus. It's not cheap either. Bulking now would work too. It's definitely easier to get leaner after every surplus cycle. More than one way to skin a cat.
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This is my thinking. It is so easy for me to get fat - if I get lean and then bulk, if I start losing definition I will know it isn't muscle going on, but fat.

And I think it is so hard to admit to ourselves how little muscle we carry under all that fat - but once you admit it, you can get much more accomplished. Like I said, when I was 293 pounds my scale showed something like 57% body fat. That means I was almost 300 pounds and had 126 pounds of lean mass. I've lost over 120 pounds and gained at least 10 pounds of muscle since then...maybe even gained 15 pounds. Still not big, but I'm not a big guy.

Gonna keep trying to get lean...then bulk. But it is tempting and so is trying to do a recomp.

Kaprice said:
Interesting you should say that. Because he kinda looks like a skinned cat in his last pics! :D
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Ouch. You cut me deep. And Up was worried about posting photos when I was fat...thought the comments could be harsh. Now I have a complex :)

You know I am kidding. But in response to that comment, I went and worked out. I have been just looking forward to work outs for the last week, I fall asleep wanting to go exercise. It is weird actually. On my way home from work today I was really looking forward to hitting the gym. It was supposed to be a day off...but I decided I wanted to do it.

I got home and had to set up a ladder and replace a security light on the side of my house and things of course didn't go as planned and I was up and down a ladder for almost 2 hours.

Suddenly I was exhausted and thinking of taking the night off as originally planned, but then I saw Kaprice 's comment about being a skinned cat and thought, just for that I'm gonna go bench 215 for 5. So despite being tired, here it is:

Squats:
1 x 8 x 225 warm up
3 x 2 x 305 (almost had 3 on the first set, almost)

Straight Legged Deadlifts
1 x 2 x 315 (grip was failing, not back or legs)
1 x 5 x 315 (used straps)

Pull Ups
2 x 3 x BW + 55
1 x 2 x BW + 55

Bench Presses
1 x 8 x 135
1 x 4 x 215
1 x 3 x 215
1 x 2 x 215

Military Presses
3 x 2 x 135 (been stuck at 130 for a bit...figured I would just give it a shot)

Triceps Press Downs
1 x 2 x 55 ...felt completely exhausted

Barbell Curls
1 x 2 x 100...just too tired. Nothing left.

I didn't get the 5 x 215 on bench. But I hope KAPrice hasn't forgotten about catching up to the scrawny cat's bench press.
 
Hah! Great job, Hit! Glad I could help. :)
 
Looking good man, super impressive transformation! Super interested in your thoughts on 11-kt since I picked up a bunch during the last BOGO at Nutriverse :)
 
Sparkss said:
Looking good man, super impressive transformation! Super interested in your thoughts on 11-kt since I picked up a bunch during the last BOGO at Nutriverse :)
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Thank you sir. I started this log as a S11 run and ran it up to 500 mg. It is a very mild hormone but I have no sides at all from it and more seems to be better. Around 500+ mg I really feel it becomes androgenic, but since it is the only hormonal product I've ever run I can't compare to anything.

Honestly, at 700 mg I am considering modifying my training to a full body workout 6 days a week. I feel ready to go and mentally just want to lift sh1t.

Since yesterday, my appetite is growing a bit...but could be unrelated.
 
How would you recover/progress on a 6 day full body split with a severe deficit? Wait never mind, you're that wunderkind HIT4ME.
 
Rand0m said:
How would you recover/progress on a 6 day full body split with a severe deficit? Wait never mind, you're that wunderkind HIT4ME.
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That is what is keeping me from doing it. I just FEEL like it may be worth a try.

Plus I would keep the workouts to 1 set per exercise. I mean, I did 3 sets of 2 on squats last night and I feel pretty good today...kind of wonder if I could do it again.

But even if I could do it again, it may not be enough time for growth. I.e., I may be able to recover sufficiently to do it again, but not overcompensate.

Not sure what to think about it all. I am normally the one telling people they over train...
 
Yes, but as we all know, the rules don't apply to you! :)
 
LOL - the irony in all this is that I am the one who went on the PSMF and everyone said I was eating too little and would kill my metabolism and I am the one who pointed out the law of thermodynamics. I was using the rules I thought. But I guess that's how I am - I just don't get the "rules" and even when I think I'm following them, I'm actually screwing it all up. Actually, in that light, huge pieces of my life just started to make A LOT of sense. Particularly some past relationships.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Physics is a biatch, I agree, especially gravity -looking at my balls hanging around my knees.
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That's how it goes when you're hanging 2 plates down there. Don't do that and try kipping pull ups.
 
HIT4ME said:
Workouts since Friday:

Friday:

Squats:
1 X 8 X 225 Warm up
1 X 4 X 295
1 X 2 X 295
1 X 1 X 295

Straight Legged Deadlifts:
1 X 4 X 305

Pull Ups:
1 X 3 X B.W. + 55
1 X 2 X B.W. + 55
1 X 2 X B.W. + 55

Bench Presses:
1 X 8 X 115 warm up
1 X 4 X 210
1 X 2 X 210

Military Presses:
1 X 4 X 130
1 X 2 X 130
3 X 2 X 130

Rope Face Pulls:
1 X 6 X 85

Rope Press Downs:
1 X 5 X 52.5
1 X 3 X 52.5

Barbell Curls:
1 X 4 X 95
3 X 2 X 95

Sunday Night:

Deadlifts:
1 X 8 X 275 warm up
1 X 5 X 405
1 X 2 X 405

Leg Presses:
1 X 4 X 700
1 X 3 + 1 cheat (hands on knees) X 700

Bent Over Rows:
1 X 5 X 185
1 X 4 X 195
1 X 3 X 195

Bench Presses:
1 X 8 X 115 warm up
1 X 5 X 210
1 X 2 X 210
1 X 2 X 225

Military Presses:
1 X 4 X 130
1 X 3 X 130
2 X 2 X 130

Rope Face Pulls:
1 X 7 X 85

Rope Press Downs:
1 X 4 X 55
1 X 3 X 55

Barbell Curls:
1 X 5 X 95
1 X 1 X 100
1 x 1 X 100

Monday (tonight):
Squats:
1 X 8 X 225 warm up
1 X 2 X 305
3 X 1 X 305

Straight Legged Deadlifts:
1 X 3 X 310 (grip failing)
1 X 1 X 310 (again, grip was weak)

Pull Ups:
1 X 4 X B.W. + 55
1 X 3 X B.W. + 55
1 X 2 X B.W. + 55

Bench Presses:
1 X 8 X 115 warm up
1 X 4 X 215
1 X 3 X 215
1 X 2 X 215

Military Presses:
1 X 4 X 130
1 X 3 X 130
1 X 2 X 130
1 X 1 X 130

Rope Face Pulls:
1 X 7 X 85

Rope Press Downs:
1 X 4 X 55
1 X 2 X 55

Barbell Curls:
1 X 2 X 100
1 X 1 X 100

Feeling fairly strong. This is me the other day:

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Look awesome man! Still here peeping the gainz!
 
CJNator said:
Look awesome man! Still here peeping the gainz!
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Thank you sir! Don't mind Hairygrandpa, he's just jealous :)

I've been kind of slacking the last few weeks, trying to get my mojo back...been working out, but not making the same progress and I'm gonna get fat and have HGP calling me fat soon....
 
Finished my workout early today. Was feeling good up until I got ready to actually do deadlifts and suddenly felt REALLY tired. I think the 11-KT doses are actually messing with my cortisol levels such that my sleep/wake cycle is a little messed up. At first, it seemed energizing, but now it seems like the bigger doses are making me sleepy. I'm going to try taking 9 ml at night before bed tonight and see if that helps me sleep. If I wake up feeling better, I will take 3 ml twice/day tomorrow and then 9 ml before bed. Not sure exactly what is going on but since going to 700 mg/day I've been either laying in bed unable to sleep or sleeping a lot and still having periods of lethargy throughout the day. On a potential positive note - last night before going to bed I noticed that my body was HOT. I mean, burning up. My hands are normally extremely cold, like ice cold as if I am dead. My hand last night was so hot my gf said they were burning. I'm wondering if the reduction in cortisol from such a high dose is helping my body's T3 work better? Not really sure, just more theory.

Today's workout:

Deadlifts:
1 X 6 X 315 warm up (normally go lighter for 8 reps but didn't feel like dealing with moving 45 plates around)
1 X 2 X 415 - Was hoping for at least 3 and maybe 4 after hitting 5 X 405 last week. But I was feeling tired, as I said.

Leg Presses:
1 X 5 X 700 (This felt easier than expected but still hard)

Bent-Over Barbell Rows
1 X 5 X 195

Bench Presses:
1 X 8 X 135 warm up
1 X 3 X 215 (got 4 2 nights ago - this was a set back)

Military Presses
1 X 5 X 135 (big improvement - probably because I did just 1 set of bench presses instead of the 3 I've been doing)

Rope Face Pulls
1 X 6 X 85

Rope Press Downs
1 X 4 X 55

Barbell Curls
1 X 3 X 100 (improved 1 rep)

Overall, nothing great to report. Let just a little bit in the tank and limited myself to 1 set for each exercise. The workout went quick this way - but I'm going to try to hit the gym again tomorrow and see how that goes. If I can keep this up 6 days a week for a little while, we will see what happens, but I know I can't be driving myself into the ground every workout if I'm gonna do that.
 
Oh, and my diet hasn't been too bad today but this week it has kind of sucked. A couple cheats and poor planning. I've gained some fat. Going to try to get things in order there shortly, I really do get fat fast.
 
HIT4ME said:
Oh, and my diet hasn't been too bad today but this week it has kind of sucked. A couple cheats and poor planning. I've gained some fat. Going to try to get things in order there shortly, I really do get fat fast.
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Dude you have come really far . You are going to go up and down no matter what you do . Just keep your head up J like I said on page 1 iam in for the win !
 
HIT4ME said:
Oh, and my diet hasn't been too bad today but this week it has kind of sucked. A couple cheats and poor planning. I've gained some fat. Going to try to get things in order there shortly, I really do get fat fast.
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You're doing great my man. Keep it up!!!
 
HIT4ME said:
Oh, and my diet hasn't been too bad today but this week it has kind of sucked. A couple cheats and poor planning. I've gained some fat. Going to try to get things in order there shortly, I really do get fat fast.
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Someone here wrote that as long as you're heading in the right direction and keep working at it, little slip ups don't matter; as long as you don't let them get to you.....
Now I gotta just take my own advice....:)
 
Thanks guys! You all rock. bighulksmash - you have been a huge supporter from the beginning. I owe you my friend. Wouldn't be this far without you.
justhere4comm - you are a hard worker and an even better writer and you are doing great yourself.
Tank999 - I am actually moving in the wrong direction. Tomorrow is a new day. I have to stop playing games and bring this home for the end of the year. You have your diet on co.plete lockdown and I need to get in there with you.

You guys are all my motivation. Thank you!
 
HIT4ME said:
Thanks guys! You all rock. bighulksmash - you have been a huge supporter from the beginning. I owe you my friend. Wouldn't be this far without you.
justhere4comm - you are a hard worker and an even better writer and you are doing great yourself.
Tank999 - I am actually moving in the wrong direction. Tomorrow is a new day. I have to stop playing games and bring this home for the end of the year. You have your diet on co.plete lockdown and I need to get in there with you.

You guys are all my motivation. Thank you!
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D@mnit! Im putting my foot down! Get your fat @ss in gear, plan the shyt out better and do what the h3ll you're supposed to be doing....which is leading me by example. D@mn Elon slacker.

...just a little of what you give me
 
FireTitan said:
D@mnit! Im putting my foot down! Get your fat @ss in gear, plan the shyt out better and do what the h3ll you're supposed to be doing....which is leading me by example. D@mn Elon slacker.

...just a little of what you give me
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Hit me again Ike!
 
I am getting fat. And I am letting down all the hard workers in here who are getting it done. And I refuse to lose to the hairygrandpa

Time for some Titan Deadlifts! Some Tank Squats. Some, um, hairy presses?
 
HIT4ME said:
Oh, and my diet hasn't been too bad today but this week it has kind of sucked. A couple cheats and poor planning. I've gained some fat. Going to try to get things in order there shortly, I really do get fat fast.
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You didn't gain any meaningful fat in just a week. It's got to be water/glycerin fluctuations.
 
HIT4ME said:
Thanks guys! You all rock. bighulksmash - you have been a huge supporter from the beginning. I owe you my friend. Wouldn't be this far without you.
justhere4comm - you are a hard worker and an even better writer and you are doing great yourself.
Tank999 - I am actually moving in the wrong direction. Tomorrow is a new day. I have to stop playing games and bring this home for the end of the year. You have your diet on co.plete lockdown and I need to get in there with you.

You guys are all my motivation. Thank you!
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Just back me when the time comes man . I been catching shyt from the guyz at my gym for switching to cross fit 2 days a week . They are treating me like a ugly transgender fairy .
 
Kaprice said:
You didn't gain any meaningful fat in just a week. It's got to be water/glycerin fluctuations.
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You are right...although I'm seeing a loss of definition...it will come back though and I just have to get back on the rails.

bighulksmash said:
Just back me when the time comes man . I been catching shyt from the guyz at my gym for switching to cross fit 2 days a week . They are treating me like a ugly transgender fairy .
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Whaaa???? Someone screwing with you? I gotcha back. Will go all scrawny cat on them.
 
Kaprice said:
If they're still standing after saying that, maybe they're RIGHT! :)
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Lol...maybe Hulk was just too tired to care after his CrossFit.
 
Kaprice said:
If they're still standing after saying that, maybe they're RIGHT! :)
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Lol no its the laughter I get . One guy said what the **** are you doing .... I was attempting to bonsai drop a yoga ball . He said your a power lifter not a gymnast. I was like damn man wtf you got against a guy tryna lose some weight . "90% of these guys are FAT COPS"
 
HIT4ME said:
You are right...although I'm seeing a loss of definition...it will come back though and I just have to get back on the rails.



Whaaa???? Someone screwing with you? I gotcha back. Will go all scrawny cat on them.
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These guys are grossly FAT COPS . Trust me I already did all the collateral damage I could.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Nice to see you again, thought you got fat and quit already. :)
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You got one thing right, I definitely got fat lol but I didn't quit ;)
HIT4ME said:
Thank you sir! Don't mind Hairygrandpa, he's just jealous :)

I've been kind of slacking the last few weeks, trying to get my mojo back...been working out, but not making the same progress and I'm gonna get fat and have HGP calling me fat soon....
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So have I, **** happens lol. I need to cut soon, may hop on some turinabol instead if I think I can handle the aggression I'll get from it. I'm around 180 but I haven't counted calories in a while.
 
CJNator said:
You got one thing right, I definitely got fat lol but I didn't quit ;)

So have I, **** happens lol. I need to cut soon, may hop on some turinabol instead if I think I can handle the aggression I'll get from it. I'm around 180 but I haven't counted calories in a while.
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You and I are in the same boat...at least I am in good company. Sorry for you though.
 
So, I've decided to try to modify HST to do full body workouts 6 days/week. Normally I wouldn't do this as I would worry about over training and not allowing time for growth between workouts never made sense to me. But the idea of chronic stress and the increased recovery I feel on the high dose Super 11, I am thinking of testing some limits.
Studhorse better get in here and make sure I do this right!

I did my B workout last night and that will be the start of this trial. Tonight was the A workout and there were some small signs of improvement, which surprised me.

Squats:
1 x 8 x 225 warm up
1 x 3 x 305 (could only get 2 on my last A workout)

Straight Legged Deadlifts
1 x 2 x 310 (again, with a double overhang my grip is failing...need to fix)
1 x 5 x 310 with straps

Pull Ups
1 x 3 x BW + 55

Bench Press
1 x 8 x 135 warm up
1 x 4 x 215 - Same as workout A on Thursday, +1 from yesterday

Military Press
1 x 3 x 140 (+5 from yesterday)

Rope Face Pulls
1 x 5 x 95

Triceps Press Downs
1 x 4 x 55

Barbell Curls
1 x 3 x 100

What rules will I break next? Will I fail and go down in a burning wreck? Or will I change the world!!!??? Probably neither...but stay tuned anyway.
 
You guys rock!
 
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