Bigchourico
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I haven't smoke crack either but i'm pretty sure it's more harmful than Marijuanna.:laughing: It's called common sense and i don't think you have any.
Fat burners while on prohormones?
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I haven't smoke crack either but i'm pretty sure it's more harmful than Marijuanna.:laughing: It's called common sense and i don't think you have any.
Bigchourico
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Well congradulations on your phd.But that dosen't automaticaly make you right and everyone else wrong. It also dosen't make me stupid and you smart. Not talking about you impaticular But i know some pretty stupid people with a good education.
ehoeft
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Lean Xtreme would be good to throw in there like you said, but Need2slin would also be good. Its a nutrient partitioner and safe to take on cycle. They have it here at nutraplanet by NTBM.
Hate to break up the feud going on here
but got a question bout Need2slin.... I havent really looked into it but noticed it was u to dose with 40g of carbs. Is this similar to AI GlycoBol or USP AP? I've used both in the past and just wondering if it's the same type of supplement.
CrazyChemist
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Fair enough. You are correct that there are certainly stupid people out there with PhDs and/or MDs. I'm not saying I'm always right or have all the answers and I shouldnt have inferred you were necessarily wrong.
Let's agree then that empirical evidence is all we can truly trust (not common sense, because common sense was the argument used to prove the world was flat. Many ideas in science are counter-intuitive, although I have no idea how you can make a common sense argument for one drug being safer than the other.)
What empirical evidence do you have for the danger of DNP?
-Other than deaths from the 1920s, before the compound's risks were known, there have been no deaths from it despite people continuing to use it on the black market.
-It is used frequently as a reducing agent in chemistry labs.
-Studies conducted on lab rats, easily accessible via google, have shown that as many as 12mg/kg displayed positive results with no deaths or signs of central nervous system trama. Therapeutic doses I recommend are below 4mg/kg.
-In low doses the immediate side effects, i.e. sides related to overheating, are minimal.
-After a successful cycle, the long-term side effects of DNP usage is limited to a POTENTIAL link to cataracts in women only. This stems from a research study in the turn of the 20th century where a control group of 20-or-so women had no reports of cataracts compared to two reports from the trial group. Cataracts are surgically curable, first off, and second the study was too small to make a definitive link. Additionally, this ONE long-term side effect does not arise until many years later and only after extensive use.
Comparatively, stimulants are responsible for millions if not hundreds of millions of deaths a year. Its impossible to fully known the extent to which stimulants are responsible for the cardiovascular disease worldwide. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying stimulants are the devil. HOWEVER, if you are on a PH that already is potentially causing cardiovascular distress, then adding a stimulant to the mix is just throwing oil on a fire. Why do this? How could you argue that this is safer than running DNP? Its really boggling my mind.
:wtf: Here I have to say, although not having a PhD does not make you stupid, this argument most certainly lacks intelligence in every way. You may disagree with my arguement and I welcome your response but WTF does crack and marijuanna have to do with what we are discussing? More so, how do you justify your argument with common sense? Common sense arguments are like, McDonalds food is full of fat so it is common sense that eating alot of McDonalds will make me gain fat. In the sense of this argument, we have two supplements, each with a set of side effects and need to evaluate the safety of each one used in a specific way. This can only be analyzed by empirical data. :wtf:
CrazyChemist
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Hate to break up the feud going on here
Hey bro - sorry for hijacking this thread. Some people just believe the first thing they read and don't think things through on their own. Anyway, Glycobol and Need2slin are very similar, yes.
chocolatemilk
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Crazy Chemist is the man!
to OP...
Need2Slin stimulates cAMP activation so it is increasing your metabolism, and allowing for fat to be used as fuel, something that using insulin on its own cannot do, and spiking it cannot do. N2Slin gives you more than an insulin mimicker.
cAMP = Cyclic adenosine monophosphate, cyclic AMP , 3'-5'-cyclic adenosine monophosphate. This chemical is the shizz for using fat as fuel.
ehoeft
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Hey not a problem. Me casa u casa.. I'll be the first to say I don't know s*** when it comes to DNP so this have been very helpful in getting viewpoints about it. At this time I'm assuming DNP it's hard to come by aka "black market" and at this time I don't wanna venture to that. But I will continue learning about it for future use if it presents it self. I'm all about soaking in knowledge in whatever I can. Isn't that why well all come to AM? Its not a perfect world not everyone is always going to agree with one another. Everyone one has there own opinions and are entitled to that. I know what I'm leaning to believe with DNP and that's all that matters. Thanks for the info
ehoeft
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I agree with u about crazy chemist!
So know heres the question.... Would people be more inclined to running Need2slim than Lean Xtreme for fat loss on a PH cut cycle?
CrazyChemist
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Def bro - smart move taking things slow and knowing when you are ready for something or not. For the record i'm not advocating you get on dnp, or anyone for that matter. All I am saying is alot of preconceptions about the cmpd are flat our wrong. I personally have had excellent results with minimal sides and, after extensive research and a related education, I honestly believe it is incredibly safe when used in the right way.
Iron Warrior
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I have used stims with AAS and PH but I limited them to pre-workout only and it was 4 times a week. I did take heart friendly supps like CoQ-10, fish oil, EVOO, hawthorne, celery, vitamin C, and vitamin E. There's always a risk involved, the only difference (IMO) is that some of will experience worse sides than others. The best thing we can do is reduce the potential harm with preventative measures. MAKE SURE you get plenty of rest too and try to reduce stress from every day life if possiblr
ehoeft
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I agree just like most thinks if dosed and used right.... They are perfectly safe( to an extent). It's when people abuse it or don't do the research before just swallowing anything and everything and don't take the time to look up what they actually are putting in their bodies. That's what gives this industry a bad rep. It's those select few dumb***** that ruins it for us