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Fasting and PH

tjmz189

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Hey, guys. New to the site. My question for you guys is kind of a strange one, but what do you guys think of fasting on cycle, or vice versa rather? I've always lifted seriously, but this last year I kicked it up a notch and got really serious and also went on my first PH cycle. I didn't really go for a complete bulk so I didn't gain much weight but I gained a lot of muscle and definition, nonetheless. I am Muslim and when Ramadan comes around I never miss a day of fasting. Every year I lose a good bit of muscle while fasting and gain a little bit of fat, so would it be a reasonable idea to go on a cycle of a relatively mild cutting PH to be able to sustain some of the muscle? I would still work out as normal as I usually do during Ramadan, but the diet just isn't there to keep my gains. I can eat before sun up and after sun down, so I would make sure to have a decent enough diet and try to load in protein as often as possible, but it is really hard to eat well when fasting, as every day Iftar (when we break fast) is a mini celebration. I understand that diet is key to a good cycle, but would it would help me keep my gains that I have made over the past year if I went on a cycle during Ramadan or would it be pointless? I would love to hear some input!

Thanks.
 
Read about intermittent fasting; that approach might work well for you. A ph could certainly help but the big thing is getting the right amount of nutrition. You may want to consider drinking a really slowly absorbed shake like caesin right before sunrise as well.
 
Thanks for the reply! I just read a little bit up on it. Intermittent fasting sounds a lot like what entails fasting for Ramadan. In my case I would be getting up around 4:30 (or somewhere around there as I haven't looked up sunrise and sunset times for June and July) and eating then and fasting until sunrise which will probably be around 7:30ish I'm guessing. Usually we just get up and eat then go back to sleep and then later on we eat. I should probably stay up a little later after breaking fast and a little before starting the fast to eat a little more spaced out, you think? But the big big problem is that I can't drink water during the day either. But drinking a gallon a day or more still wouldn't be hard as water is the only thing I drink. Also doing a PH could really help me get extremely lean while I'm fasting is what I was thinking. But also not sure about this.
 
I would just chug as much water as possible before the sun is up and eat/drink at the last possible moment. I think a ph or ostarine would certainly help keep muscle mass.
 
That doesn't sound like too big of a hassle. I've got a ton of time until then so I'll start researching which PH I'm gonna use (I used halodrol for my first cycle). From your feedback it seems like it will work out pretty well if I do go with a PH while I'm fasting. Thanks for your input!
 
Yeah ostarine 10 mg might be a better choice. Low dose epi might work if he took it all at sundown tho, with 8 hour half life the effect would be pretty weak by the AM.
 
Have you personally ran an ostarine cycle? I've never used a SARM and am not knowledgeable at all on them.
 
Have you personally ran an ostarine cycle? I've never used a SARM and am not knowledgeable at all on them.

Yeah I've ran all the sarms. Here's a summary.

Guide to the different SARMS:

Ostarine (mk2866):

The oldest and best studied of the SARMS, Ostarine was developed by GTx, a division of Merck pharmaceuticals, and has been tested in FDA approved clinical trials
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with no adverse effects compared to placebo. Ostarine is only very mildly suppressive and has no hepatotoxicity. There are almost no other sides.

It has a couple potential uses:

1) single agent bulk/recomp: dosed between 20 and 30 mg/day in one dose (osta has a 24h half life so once daily dosing is fine). Expect mild dry gains of about 3-5 lb of LBM in 4 weeks or 5-7 lb in 8 weeks. Osta should not be run longer than 8 consecutive weeks. Strength gains tend to be more prominent than size gains. You should run a mini pct with test booster and AI afterwards. Erase/DAA is a good combo. Osta has been shown to be good for nutrient repartitioning as well and is good for recomp with cals around TDEE or cut with a small deficit.

2) adjunct to a PH. As it can be stacked without major increases in suppression or hepatoxicity, you can add it to a mild PH like epi and expect better results. Adding 20 mg of osta to an epi cycle will yield 2-3 additional lb of LBM over what you might otherwise expect from epi.

3) as pct assist. At doses of ~10 mg, osta will help keep gains during PCT and allow strength to continue to increase while still allowing recovery with a SERM and test booster on board.

LGD-4033:

This sarm is far stronger than ostarine but much more suppressive as well. Expect gains of 5-7 lb lbm on a bulk or 3-5 on a recomp when dosed at 10 mg a day. No hepatotoxicity but significant suppeession; a full PCT is necessary after the cycle. Don't run LGD longer than 4 weeks at a time.

LGD shines as a stacked agent; as it's not hepatotoxic, when stacked with epi, you can expect almost msten or sd like gains without the profound lethargy or hepatotoxicity. You should run a stronger pct with LGD tho when stacked, at least 40/40/20/20 of novla.

Andarine (S4):

This SARM is most known as a cutting/hardening agent with androgenic properties and strength gains. It's most comparable in results with stano or furaza. It has 0 suppression or hepatotoxicity and doesn't require any pct but does have some side effects related to a metabolite that cause temporary visual sides (yellowing of vision and decrease in adjusting to darkness), especially at doses over 50 mg. when dosed at 50 mg 5 days on two days off, these sides are uncommon. As it has a short half life, it should be dosed in divided doses of 25 mg with one in the AM and one pwo. This sarm is great for cutting and helps repartition nutrients and increase muscle definition. S4 can be run for up to 8 weeks at a time.

Bonus: GW 50156 (Cardarine)

This is NOT a SARM, rather, it's a PPAR agonist. Developed by GSK, it's an agent shown to decrease body fat and increase exercise capacity. Most ppl have found it to increase their aerobic capacity dramatically. It's typically taken in two divided doses of 10 mg for a total of 20 mg/day.

There have been a few trials showing gw causing cancer in rats. However, the doses tested in the study would be the human equivalent of 500 mg a day for 18 months straight. There's no data showing risk in humans and a decent amount of studies show the receptors thotght to cause the cancers aren't present in humans. Users typically see bf% decreases of 2-3% over a month when diet/exercise is on point.

Hope that helps.
 
That's a fantastic post, mystere. Thanks a ton. Which do you prefer?

My favorite is ostarine. It has no sides, no hepatotoxicity, and is good for strength. You can run it every other month running erase and daa and xgels in between and never need to worry about hepatotoxicity or suppression. I have used it between cycles a lot and it's helped keep all my gains and add a bit of LBM. This PCT I've put on a recomp and gotten stronger while cutting bf 2%.
 
Okay, so to my understanding you can use it on its own for a cycle or you can bridge it in between cycles as part of PCT?
 
ion, have you done it before? Or have you done any sort of cycle during Ramadan before?

I ran finaflex 1-andro once during ramadan, got stronger and stayed lean. I don't like running anything strong during ramadan.

My favorite is ostarine. It has no sides, no hepatotoxicity, and is good for strength. You can run it every other month running erase and daa and xgels in between and never need to worry about hepatotoxicity or suppression. I have used it between cycles a lot and it's helped keep all my gains and add a bit of LBM. This PCT I've put on a recomp and gotten stronger while cutting bf 2%.

What were you dosing the ostarine? Many say that 20mg and above it becomes suppressive?
 
ion, I completely understand. And thanks for the reply, man. It really helps since you have actually been in this situation. And sorry if my replies are confusing, but I don't think I am able to quote posts just yet.
 
I ran finaflex 1-andro once during ramadan, got stronger and stayed lean. I don't like running anything strong during ramadan.



What were you dosing the ostarine? Many say that 20mg and above it becomes suppressive?

20 mg during pct, but I'm a pretty big guy. If you're less than 200 I wouldn't run more than 10 during pct.

I check bloods often and 2 weeks after pct I was at 760 test, so I basically fully recovered on 20 of osta. A lot of other ppl have had similar experiences but ymmv.
 
Gotcha. So, how serious does PCT need to be for a SARM only cycle when the SARM is only mildly suppressive such as Ostarine?
 
Awesome. It sounds extremely promising; the only downside I can see is that it seems as if Ostarine and other SARMs are quite expensive. I may just be looking in the wrong places, though.
 
Yeah I've ran all the sarms. Here's a summary.

Guide to the different SARMS:

Ostarine (mk2866):

The oldest and best studied of the SARMS, Ostarine was developed by GTx, a division of Merck pharmaceuticals, and has been tested in FDA approved clinical trials
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with no adverse effects compared to placebo. Ostarine is only very mildly suppressive and has no hepatotoxicity. There are almost no other sides.

It has a couple potential uses:

1) single agent bulk/recomp: dosed between 20 and 30 mg/day in one dose (osta has a 24h half life so once daily dosing is fine). Expect mild dry gains of about 3-5 lb of LBM in 4 weeks or 5-7 lb in 8 weeks. Osta should not be run longer than 8 consecutive weeks. Strength gains tend to be more prominent than size gains. You should run a mini pct with test booster and AI afterwards. Erase/DAA is a good combo. Osta has been shown to be good for nutrient repartitioning as well and is good for recomp with cals around TDEE or cut with a small deficit.

2) adjunct to a PH. As it can be stacked without major increases in suppression or hepatoxicity, you can add it to a mild PH like epi and expect better results. Adding 20 mg of osta to an epi cycle will yield 2-3 additional lb of LBM over what you might otherwise expect from epi.

3) as pct assist. At doses of ~10 mg, osta will help keep gains during PCT and allow strength to continue to increase while still allowing recovery with a SERM and test booster on board.

LGD-4033:

This sarm is far stronger than ostarine but much more suppressive as well. Expect gains of 5-7 lb lbm on a bulk or 3-5 on a recomp when dosed at 10 mg a day. No hepatotoxicity but significant suppeession; a full PCT is necessary after the cycle. Don't run LGD longer than 4 weeks at a time.

LGD shines as a stacked agent; as it's not hepatotoxic, when stacked with epi, you can expect almost msten or sd like gains without the profound lethargy or hepatotoxicity. You should run a stronger pct with LGD tho when stacked, at least 40/40/20/20 of novla.

Andarine (S4):

This SARM is most known as a cutting/hardening agent with androgenic properties and strength gains. It's most comparable in results with stano or furaza. It has 0 suppression or hepatotoxicity and doesn't require any pct but does have some side effects related to a metabolite that cause temporary visual sides (yellowing of vision and decrease in adjusting to darkness), especially at doses over 50 mg. when dosed at 50 mg 5 days on two days off, these sides are uncommon. As it has a short half life, it should be dosed in divided doses of 25 mg with one in the AM and one pwo. This sarm is great for cutting and helps repartition nutrients and increase muscle definition. S4 can be run for up to 8 weeks at a time.

Bonus: GW 50156 (Cardarine)

This is NOT a SARM, rather, it's a PPAR agonist. Developed by GSK, it's an agent shown to decrease body fat and increase exercise capacity. Most ppl have found it to increase their aerobic capacity dramatically. It's typically taken in two divided doses of 10 mg for a total of 20 mg/day.

There have been a few trials showing gw causing cancer in rats. However, the doses tested in the study would be the human equivalent of 500 mg a day for 18 months straight. There's no data showing risk in humans and a decent amount of studies show the receptors thotght to cause the cancers aren't present in humans. Users typically see bf% decreases of 2-3% over a month when diet/exercise is on point.

Hope that helps.

Great post!But you are s4 isnt suppressive at all?
 
so you're basically saying I can just take Anabeta Elite, DAA and Erase as a PCT after running 8 weeks of osta @20mg without having to fear any major sides? and what about 10-12 weeks, would it still be okay?
 
so you're basically saying I can just take Anabeta Elite, DAA and Erase as a PCT after running 8 weeks of osta @20mg without having to fear any major sides? and what about 10-12 weeks, would it still be okay?

Longer doesn't always mean better...
 
Awesome, well Max you should definitely post a review after you are done with your cycle! I would love to know how it works for you!
 
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