FADOGIA AGRESTIS - Latest Opinion?

[SirVigorusMuffdive]

What is the latest opinion regarding FADOGIA AGRESTIS?

Good, bad, useful for PCT, useful on cycle, useless, or what?

 

[Beau]

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[Kronic]

I have a bottle of the stuff. I took a few of them and didn't notice anything too crazy. then I did some research and found something claiming it's toxic. I haven't taken it since, but I'll keep the bottle for when I need a little toxicity in my life

 

[KvanH]

I have a bottle of the stuff. I took a few of them and didn't notice anything too crazy. then I did some research and found something claiming it's toxic. I haven't taken it since, but I'll keep the bottle for when I need a little toxicity in my life

You could also play some SOAD.

 

[KvanH]

What is the latest opinion regarding FADOGIA AGRESTIS?

Good, bad, useful for PCT, useful on cycle, useless, or what?

I haven't done research on it in awhile, but the conception I have is that it's one of the better natty supps for test production and free test levels and has some actual data to back that up. It was claimed in the past, that it works kind of like hcg/LH mimic, but I don't know if that's true in practice.

@sns8778 probably knows more.

 

[f4iguy]

I get nothing from it. No changes whatsoever.

 

[Jeremyk1]

I haven't done research on it in awhile, but the conception I have is that it's one of the better natty supps for test production and free test levels and has some actual data to back that up. It was claimed in the past, that it works kind of like hcg/LH mimic, but I don't know if that's true in practice.

@sns8778 probably knows more.

Yeah I hope he chimes in. He included fadogia in MTest and that man researches hard before he uses an ingredient.

As far as the claims about toxicity, that’s taken out of context. When the one study mentioned toxicity, they were referring to lingering effects, not that any harm was done to test subjects. Basically fadogia increased testosterone and increased testicular size, and the testes stayed bigger for about 2 weeks after treatment stopped. That’s the toxicity they were referring to.

 

[KvanH]

Yeah I hope he chimes in. He included fadogia in MTest and that man researches hard before he uses an ingredient.

As far as the claims about toxicity, that’s taken out of context. When the one study mentioned toxicity, they were referring to lingering effects, not that any harm was done to test subjects. Basically fadogia increased testosterone and increased testicular size, and the testes stayed bigger for about 2 weeks after treatment stopped. That’s the toxicity they were referring to.

Yeah, I forgot to comment the toxicity issue earlier, but from what I remember I too think it was something not so meaningful on a practical level. Kind of like Bulbine Natalensis's liver toxicity. I did get some testicular pain, when using Omega Sports T-Force back in the day. Maybe my balls were growing

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

i love the stuff .. have ran solo back in the days and remember it not being bad .. stacking was always the way to go

from Mtest write up:
Fadogia Agrestis is an herb that is indigenous to Africa that has been used for centuries as a male aphrodisiac and has been shown in rodent studies to potently increase testosterone and boost libido [1].

Unlike other aphrodisiacs, Fadogia Agrestis has also demonstrated an ability to increase ejaculation latency; potentially allowing men to last longer in bed [1].

Several studies have implicated the Saponin content of Fadogia in enhancing testosterone and aphrodisiac properties through the increase of luteinizing hormone (LH) within the body. Under normal conditions LH is released in order to maintain testosterone within a given range, however as LH is increased, this allows the stimulation of increased testosterone production [1, 2].


As for running it now .. mtest is so cheap almost the same price as bulk fadogia, so i wouldnt anymore but overall i think its a good product if you can find a legit source .. i think i ran iforce fadogia and fundamental nutrition brand which i enjoyed

 

[Kronic]

ejaculation latency, so classy

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

ejaculation latency, so classy

 

[sns8778]

What is the latest opinion regarding FADOGIA AGRESTIS?

Good, bad, useful for PCT, useful on cycle, useless, or what?

Fadogia Agrestis has a long history of indigenous use in Africa as an aphrodisiac and has been shown in animal studies to help increase testosterone and boost libido. I'm very objective when it comes to animal studies, they're good to have but don't always translate into real world results. But in this case, real world feedback definitely supports it being correct as many people report increases in testosterone and libido on it.

Like many herbs, there are a lot of different types/grades of Fadogia Agrestis ranging from specialized extracts to basically just the herb powder itself. And how good it works depends on which one you take; and from a company end offering it, the raw material prices can vary dramatically.

Fadogia got a lot of attention last fall from being mentioned on the Rogan podcast. When that happened, a lot of the more marketing brands rushed to offer it and also a lot of 'brands' popped up claiming to offer it that no one had ever heard of before - pretty much like anytime something like that happens.

The results you get come down to the quality of the product that you take and also to personal response.

We've included Fadogia in M-Test since it was released many years ago and M-Test has gotten consistently good feedback over the years and is one of the most popular natural test boosters here on AM.

M-Test, including Fadogia, can be useful on cycle and in PCT &/or for men who are off cycle and even general health persons who are looking to increase their natural testosterone levels.

We've been asked for many years to do a standalone Fadogia product and will be releasing one soon under SNS, Fadogia XT.

I have a bottle of the stuff. I took a few of them and didn't notice anything too crazy. then I did some research and found something claiming it's toxic. I haven't taken it since, but I'll keep the bottle for when I need a little toxicity in my life

I wouldn't expect you to notice 'anything too crazy' off taking a few capsules of Fadogia. For one thing, results are going to vary based on the quality of raw materials you took; but also I wouldn't expect someone to notice 'anything too crazy' off taking a few capsules of any herb.

I would encourage you and anyone else to research and read the actual information on any ingredients before spreading false statements/claims about the toxicity of them.

I broke down that study/claim a few months ago in a long detailed post that I'm too irritated to try to find at the moment, but some of us were discussing the ridiculousness of studies like that earlier this week in another thread. Here's the jist of it:

Always remember when it comes to studies, sometimes the researchers find what they want to find rather than having a neutral view. Also, it amazes me that sometimes when there are side effects from a study that would seem to correlate with something like heavy metal contamination and the researchers don't even test for it or address it. And also, there's the issue of what dosage shows a negative side effect. Kind of like the old Saccharin studies where people said - oh no, it causes cancer - yeah sure, if you consume like 70 packs of it every day for 7 years it might

I haven't done research on it in awhile, but the conception I have is that it's one of the better natty supps for test production and free test levels and has some actual data to back that up. It was claimed in the past, that it works kind of like hcg/LH mimic, but I don't know if that's true in practice.

@sns8778 probably knows more.

Thanks for tagging me in this.

I agree that a good grade of Fadogia Agrestis is one of the best natural options for helping increase total and free testosterone levels. And yes, it was claimed to work kind of like HCG thru the LH pathway and I think that is probably correct. It would need more research to say conclusively but the real world results line up with the suggested science on it.

I get nothing from it. No changes whatsoever.

I addressed this above but there are tremendously varying grades of Fadogia available so in most cases results come down to the type used. However, I'm one of the people that probably states this the most - but different things work different for different people and not everyone will respond to everything.

I'm sorry that in your case you didn't the get results you were looking for from whichever one you used.

Yeah I hope he chimes in. He included fadogia in MTest and that man researches hard before he uses an ingredient.

As far as the claims about toxicity, that’s taken out of context. When the one study mentioned toxicity, they were referring to lingering effects, not that any harm was done to test subjects. Basically fadogia increased testosterone and increased testicular size, and the testes stayed bigger for about 2 weeks after treatment stopped. That’s the toxicity they were referring to.

Thank you for the kind words.

And yes, it is really frustrating when people throw around words like toxicity out of context and acting like something was shown to be bad or long term damaging when that wasn't the case. In today's world, its like people just read the first sentence of something and grab a key word and go repeat it which then can share disinformation and assumptions to many people. I'm not necessarily talking about it being the case in it being mentioned in this thread but is likely how he himself found the information he read to lead to him mentioning it in this thread - in that someone probably parroted it from someone else and he read it and assumed it to be true and hence, here we are.

Yeah, I forgot to comment the toxicity issue earlier, but from what I remember I too think it was something not so meaningful on a practical level. Kind of like Bulbine Natalensis's liver toxicity. I did get some testicular pain, when using Omega Sports Fadogia back in the day. Maybe my balls were growing

I posted awhile back on the toxicity but have restated it most in this thread now. But you're right, it doesn't translate into real world practicality. I use M-Test daily and bc of my autoimmune condition probably get bloodwork done more than anyone else that posts here.

ejaculation latency, so classy

That wording from the write up is taken directly from the study it is referring to.

 

[ELROCK]

I love this stuff! I can’t wait for Fadogia XT by SNS!

 

[AndroRage]

@sns8778 is Fadogia XT the same extract M-Test or is it a specialized extract of some sort?

 

[SirVigorusMuffdive]

Fadogia Agrestis has a long history of indigenous use in Africa as an aphrodisiac and has been shown in animal studies to help increase testosterone and boost libido. I'm very objective when it comes to animal studies, they're good to have but don't always translate into real world results. But in this case, real world feedback definitely supports it being correct as many people report increases in testosterone and libido on it.

Like many herbs, there are a lot of different types/grades of Fadogia Agrestis ranging from specialized extracts to basically just the herb powder itself. And how good it works depends on which one you take; and from a company end offering it, the raw material prices can vary dramatically.

Fadogia got a lot of attention last fall from being mentioned on the Rogan podcast. When that happened, a lot of the more marketing brands rushed to offer it and also a lot of 'brands' popped up claiming to offer it that no one had ever heard of before - pretty much like anytime something like that happens.

The results you get come down to the quality of the product that you take and also to personal response.

We've included Fadogia in M-Test since it was released many years ago and M-Test has gotten consistently good feedback over the years and is one of the most popular natural test boosters here on AM.

M-Test, including Fadogia, can be useful on cycle and in PCT &/or for men who are off cycle and even general health persons who are looking to increase their natural testosterone levels.

We've been asked for many years to do a standalone Fadogia product and will be releasing one soon under SNS, Fadogia XT.



I wouldn't expect you to notice 'anything too crazy' off taking a few capsules of Fadogia. For one thing, results are going to vary based on the quality of raw materials you took; but also I wouldn't expect someone to notice 'anything too crazy' off taking a few capsules of any herb.

I would encourage you and anyone else to research and read the actual information on any ingredients before spreading false statements/claims about the toxicity of them.

I broke down that study/claim a few months ago in a long detailed post that I'm too irritated to try to find at the moment, but some of us were discussing the ridiculousness of studies like that earlier this week in another thread. Here's the jist of it:

Always remember when it comes to studies, sometimes the researchers find what they want to find rather than having a neutral view. Also, it amazes me that sometimes when there are side effects from a study that would seem to correlate with something like heavy metal contamination and the researchers don't even test for it or address it. And also, there's the issue of what dosage shows a negative side effect. Kind of like the old Saccharin studies where people said - oh no, it causes cancer - yeah sure, if you consume like 70 packs of it every day for 7 years it might



Thanks for tagging me in this.

I agree that a good grade of Fadogia Agrestis is one of the best natural options for helping increase total and free testosterone levels. And yes, it was claimed to work kind of like HCG thru the LH pathway and I think that is probably correct. It would need more research to say conclusively but the real world results line up with the suggested science on it.



I addressed this above but there are tremendously varying grades of Fadogia available so in most cases results come down to the type used. However, I'm one of the people that probably states this the most - but different things work different for different people and not everyone will respond to everything.

I'm sorry that in your case you didn't the get results you were looking for from whichever one you used.



Thank you for the kind words.

And yes, it is really frustrating when people throw around words like toxicity out of context and acting like something was shown to be bad or long term damaging when that wasn't the case. In today's world, its like people just read the first sentence of something and grab a key word and go repeat it which then can share disinformation and assumptions to many people. I'm not necessarily talking about it being the case in it being mentioned in this thread but is likely how he himself found the information he read to lead to him mentioning it in this thread - in that someone probably parroted it from someone else and he read it and assumed it to be true and hence, here we are.



I posted awhile back on the toxicity but have restated it most in this thread now. But you're right, it doesn't translate into real world practicality. I use M-Test daily and bc of my autoimmune condition probably get bloodwork done more than anyone else that posts here.



That wording from the write up is taken directly from the study it is referring to.

Thanks for the comprehensive reply! Do you have an approximate ETA for when SNS Fadogia XT will be available for purchase?

 

[SirVigorusMuffdive]

From reading up regarding Fadogia Agrestis is 5 weeks on 2 weeks off and repeat the best way to take it / cycle it?

 

[AdelV]

From reading up regarding Fadogia Agrestis is 5 weeks on 2 weeks off and repeat the best way to take it / cycle it?

I thought it was 5 days on, 2 days off.

I used Tforce original, bags hung lower and libido went up.

I also took it from another brand, blue bottle probably man sports and similar effect

 

[sns8778]

@sns8778 is Fadogia XT the same extract M-Test or is it a specialized extract of some sort?

The type of Fadogia that we use in M-Test is a specialized extract. It will be the same type.

 

[sns8778]

Thanks for the comprehensive reply! Do you have an approximate ETA for when SNS Fadogia XT will be available for purchase?

No problem. I'm glad to help in any way that I can.

We are hoping that it will be available within the next 6 weeks.
We have a lot of new releases scheduled soon so it should be an exciting next couple months

From reading up regarding Fadogia Agrestis is 5 weeks on 2 weeks off and repeat the best way to take it / cycle it?

The truthful answer is that its all speculation. Some people take it that way, but we use Fadogia in M-Test and a lot of people, myself included, use M-Test as part of their daily use supplement regimens and don't cycle it.

I have an endocrinology issue that causes my hormone levels to be out of whack. It's way too complex to go into detail on here, but basically I'd tried M-Test a couple years ago and my free test levels were the best they'd been since I was diagnosed. My dr had me stop and to bloodwork off of it and then start back and do it with it again and it was definitely related to M-Test. I've been on it daily ever since.

^^^ I'm not saying that that's the best way to use Fadogia, just saying that there are a lot of people that happily use it and don't cycle it. I think it's fine to do it either way.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

From reading up regarding Fadogia Agrestis is 5 weeks on 2 weeks off and repeat the best way to take it / cycle it?

Yea I take it u mean 5days on 2 days off

My experience is daily with it and love it.

 

[hsk]

We've been asked for many years to do a standalone Fadogia product and will be releasing one soon under SNS, Fadogia XT.

The type of Fadogia that we use in M-Test is a specialized extract. It will be the same type.

We are hoping that it will be available within the next 6 weeks.
We have a lot of new releases scheduled soon so it should be an exciting next couple months

Looking forward to the realease of Fadogia XT.

 

[AdelV]

I have alot of old supplements laying around, so here is older products containing it and their recommendations...

 

[JYD]

I've had a bottle from Element Nutraceuticals, Fadogia 10:1, 425mg. I took one capsule this morning and my mood and motivation elevated immediately, I've been pretty down/depressed this week. Also, I have a slight ache by my right nut, which I can't say is super pleasant and kind of reminds me of some other OTC boosters that have had the same effect.

Just some qualitative data for you.