Excelsior pre workout

muscleman said:
It feels nice just used it twice yet. It doesnt put me in mania but possibly if ai cut other crappy stims this will havecme feel pretty good and active.
it might help me accept tjat ai most likely will never see an over tje top tub again but help me be content with just being a pretty useful petson sometimes but not give me those ego mania thoughts thonking ai am gonna be a ripped bodybuilder and multitasking research writer doing advanced yoga at the same time.

It might help me become humble and try to come to terms with accepting that I am even just average or below at some tasks no matter how much I would love to feel the power cosmic at all times and fly between galaxies in extasy as I like and even make love on an immortal divine plane feeling extasy beyond normal human perception 😂👍🌈🕺💪🔥
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Ok fam, now I know excelsior @muscleman is back and this 11/25 batch is legit 😂
 
Carolina Kid said:
Ok fam, now I know excelsior @muscleman is back and this 11/25 batch is legit 😂
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I cannot endorse an expensive and addictive supplement like this considering how they marketed Doomsday like Craze and it was the second time they did almost the exact same thing, remember CRZ the O.G even with same label as Craze?
With that as well some people felt what other might have thought was placebo. Glad it worked for you though @Carolina Kid maybe you got fresh receptors for this special thing or got a special tub but it seems it doesn't do much for the majority.

And it feels sick how they jacked up the price and eBay prices as well show how addictive this supplement is for those who like it.
Nevertheless 11/25 is probably the cleanest feeling Excelsior ever in my experience although a bit weaker than O.G but the great thing about this new batch is that even after dosing another half top up mid afternoon I was able to sleep well and that had been impossible with O.G that late in the day.
Nice good Excelsior and in retrospective although how enjoyable and amazing those O.G tubs were the sides such as mania and sleeplessness really are exhausting in the long run. I cannot judge long term sides of this new batch but initial impression is that it is the cleanest Excelsior so far and the shorter duration and ability to sleep is actually a plus for the sensible person in me although the crackhead inside fighting for survival of course would like some forever lasting stim.

That said, there is no way to justify this price tag besides selfish desire and vanity lol.
I am actually gonna train now, partly to become stronge but lifting weights is for me really a lot about vanity lol and if I could give that up I think I would have more energy for other higher purposes but then again even Sokrates I think I read a quote saying: that no man has truly lived if he has not known physical training alongside philosophical.

Another reason for training is bliss and enjoyment as well, the moment when you really are there;
Brother Iron, Sister Steel, Iron Love is real :love:
 
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SpicedCider said:
Agree wholeheartedly
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He didn’t hold back and rightly so - predator essentially put a saddle on us and rode us around the room for a couple of weeks
I didn’t even get their “Free” pump product !

Another thing why was hydrazine changed ? The white was better . Has anyone taken 2 black ones together ?
 
Bernardhopkin said:
He didn’t hold back and rightly so - predator essentially put a saddle on us and rode us around the room for a couple of weeks
I didn’t even get their “Free” pump product !

Another thing why was hydrazine changed ? The white was better . Has anyone taken 2 black ones together ?
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I did receive a Hydrazine sample that was white and when I bought a bottle it had black caps that were weaker and not really enjoyable in my experience although there was a certain kind of focus.
Two of those did not put me even near the top or over but just kind of gave a non enjoyable focus for some hours and some sweating when taking 2 caps , definitely not buying that again. I actually first tried 2 black caps when waking up in the morning once after having used O.G Excelsior for a few days so that's maybe part the reason why I still barely got out of bed that day even after two black caps lol. Still even on fresh receptors new Hydrazine is not enjoyable for me.
 
Bernardhopkin said:
He didn’t hold back and rightly so - predator essentially put a saddle on us and rode us around the room for a couple of weeks
I didn’t even get their “Free” pump product !

Another thing why was hydrazine changed ? The white was better . Has anyone taken 2 black ones together ?
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I myself fell for CRZ the O.G by Driven Sports around 2017 with the exact same label as original Craze but when ingested maybe some placebo was felt?
That was the reason I feel lucky I am learning to hold my horses before spontaneous hyped up stim buys.

I dunno why they do this? I mean any kind of stim and I think even those in Excelsior are actually really cheap to produce although I am sure they have done quite a bit of tinkering and testing to get the mix right and then with new batches slightly different ingredients as well I think. It would be great to know for sure what is the special active ingredients in Excelsior.
Although YouTube comments have rumored different batches to have different PCs in them I haven't seen enough proof to back it up but when it comes to Smash that was rumored to have 4f-mph a Ritalin analogue I think it might be correct because I had 4f-mph a couple of years back when it was still legal and that is the way with most RC stims that gets popular and discovered, they become illegal. Amazing though how they have kept Excelsior from still having secret mystery ingredients as many people believe.
 
muscleman said:
Good luck in your fight with those who believe in Doomsday but if they gonna use Doomsday pre fight you do not need worry as long as you are drinking good Excelsior (y)
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I just took a scoop of smash AMF. Let’s see what all this hype is about
 
zufir said:
I just took a scoop of smash AMF. Let’s see what all this hype is about
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Focus like a Ritalin analogue and sweats , after a few days use I felt it was kinda straining my heart , same sides as 4f-mph that I still enjoyed more than Ritalin but the yohimbe sweats, I think it might be an okay nootropic but this new 11/25 Excelsior is much nicer and smoother in my experience.
 
muscleman said:
Focus like a Ritalin analogue and sweats , after a few days use I felt it was kinda straining my heart , same sides as 4f-mph that I still enjoyed more than Ritalin but the yohimbe sweats, I think it might be an okay nootropic but this new 11/25 Excelsior is much nicer and smoother in my experience.
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I’m sweating my balls off right now
 
muscleman said:
I did receive a Hydrazine sample that was white and when I bought a bottle it had black caps that were weaker and not really enjoyable in my experience although there was a certain kind of focus.
Two of those did not put me even near the top or over but just kind of gave a non enjoyable focus for some hours and some sweating when taking 2 caps , definitely not buying that again. I actually first tried 2 black caps when waking up in the morning once after having used O.G Excelsior for a few days so that's maybe part the reason why I still barely got out of bed that day even after two black caps lol. Still even on fresh receptors new Hydrazine is not enjoyable for me.
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I have understood that Hydrazine black is ineffective. Could you please elaborate a little regarding the samples?

How would you compare WHITE HYDRAZINE SAMPLES to:

1) Black Hydrazine
2) White OG Hydrazine bottles.

muscleman said:
I myself fell for CRZ the O.G by Driven Sports around 2017 with the exact same label as original Craze but when ingested maybe some placebo was felt?
That was the reason I feel lucky I am learning to hold my horses before spontaneous hyped up stim buys.
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One of the things that leads new stock market traders to lose money is the well known problem of FOMO (fear of missing out). It's probably one of the things that any trader has to master before moving on to being profitable. I think the same concept applies here: those that were too hasty and bought several tubs of Doomsday "opened their positions" too fast and now they have to accept the (hopefully small) "losses". It's always advisable waiting for Review Bros seal of approval.

muscleman said:
Focus like a Ritalin analogue and sweats , after a few days use I felt it was kinda straining my heart , same sides as 4f-mph that I still enjoyed more than Ritalin but the yohimbe sweats, I think it might be an okay nootropic but this new 11/25 Excelsior is much nicer and smoother in my experience.
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I think it would be really useful if you rated these products compared to each other and ordered them in preference.

1) 09/21 Excelsior
2) What you call "OG Excelsior" in your posts ( ?/22)
3) 08/23 Excelsior
4) 05/24 Excelsior
5) 06/24 Excelsior
6) 11/24 Excelsior
7) OG Craze
8) Smash AMF
 
junetwentyfour said:
I have understood that Hydrazine black is ineffective. Could you please elaborate a little regarding the samples?

How would you compare WHITE HYDRAZINE SAMPLES to:

1) Black Hydrazine
2) White OG Hydrazine bottles.



One of the things that leads new stock market traders to lose money is the well known problem of FOMO (fear of missing out). It's probably one of the things that any trader has to master before moving on to being profitable. I think the same concept applies here: those that were too hasty and bought several tubs of Doomsday "opened their positions" too fast and now they have to accept the (hopefully small) "losses". It's always advisable waiting for Review Bros seal of approval.



I think it would be really useful if you rated these products compared to each other and ordered them in preference.

1) 09/21 Excelsior
2) What you call "OG Excelsior" in your posts ( ?/22)
3) 08/23 Excelsior
4) 05/24 Excelsior
5) 06/24 Excelsior
6) 11/24 Excelsior
7) OG Craze
8) Smash AMF
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Missing 4/24 excelsior
10/25
(It’s actually 11/25 not 11/24)
Then, the differences between black and red tubs also have to be considered 🤷🏻‍♂️Then this should all be compiled for a comprehensive guide
 
I have been enjoying your posts for several years and I am going to add my experience with Excelsior.

When it first came out back in the day, I know I used a few 06/21 and 09/21 tubs. I would take around 1 scoop throughout the morning and afternoon and maybe around half scoop or less in the evening. I always took it very slowly, to avoid taking more than I could handle. It's impossible for me to know right now how many grams that was because the longer the product has been opened the thicker it becomes and one full scoop could be 3-4g instead of 6g. My impression back then: it was unbelievably good for focus but way too EDGY and it was that edginess that ruined what otherwise could be a really incredible product. Another thing I felt was that even though my body could tolerate that quantity quite well, if I had anxiety triggered by an external event it was amplified by Excelsior's effect and would get a kind of unpleasant heart rate that wouldn't happen with any of them alone. My sweet spot with 09/21: 3g spread throughout the day (4g probably being too much).

I don't like 08/23 at all. I tried taking 4g of 08/23 spread throughout the day (I start taking it in the morning and sip so slowly that it lasts until late evening) and it's very uncomfortable in a way that you really don't know if it's really the product causing that feeling or if you are inducing it psychologically. Anyway, the best way for me to take 08/23 is taking 1g in the morning and 1g in the afternoon/evening. By lowering the amount I take, I can make the side effects much more tolerable while still being effective. I think one plausible explanation is that 08/23 is overdosed.

My favourite one by far is 06/24. It has the right balance between side effects, functionality and effectivity. I can manage 4g of 06/24 quite comfortably and give much better and useful effects than any dose of 08/23 (which is always too edgy, no matter how little you take). In my view 06/24 is the closest Excelsior has ever been to a functional stimulant, even better than 09/21, which was also too edgy. That's why I have always felt quite puzzled all the times I have read here that 08/23 is acceptable whereas 06/24 doesn't work even at 2 scoops! How can you explain such divergent experiences?
 
cfisher52986 said:
Missing 4/24 excelsior
10/25
(It’s actually 11/25 not 11/24)
Then, the differences between black and red tubs also have to be considered 🤷🏻‍♂️Then this should all be compiled for a comprehensive guide
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11/25 (my mistake)

The tubs I have used so far are these colours:

8/23 is BLACK.
8/24 is RED.

My batch of 8/23-Black is crazy. I cannot take over 1g at once. Way stronger (but not in a good way) than 9/21 gram for gram. I want to finish this 8/23-Black tub once and for all but, at 2g or less a day, it's taking me forever. I don't want to have several tubs opened because, once opened, they tend to degrade way faster than sealed.

I remember when 8/23 first came out that there were a lot of messages comparing powder consistency with previous OG batches. But that is not really so important, the same powder tends to change a lot in colour, density and consistency as it degrades. The real difference between OG tubs and newer tubs was much more clearer once mixed with water: newer batches were TRANSPARENT red once mixed with water whereas OG batches were opaque red/pink (like strawberry milkshake). With OG there was some material that was in suspension and in 8/23 batches and later it was all in solution (hence the transparent colour). But I don't really think that any of those factors have anything to do with how effective it is, most of the powder is fillers or inactive ingredients, the active constituent is probably just a tiny percentage that doesn't affect how the powder looks or how it mixes. So there is really no point in looking too much into that.
 
After a couple of days of use my I still think my 11/25 excelsior in a black rub and doomsday literally feel like the exact same thing to me.

same taste, powder, chemical burn when dry scooping, dosing, energy onset, duration, same focus, I honestly can’t tell a difference. Haven’t seen a bad review of 11/25 excelsior so maybe some doomsday tubs blew or maybe enough people haven’t tried 11/25. No idea no closure to this mystery being solved. If it weren’t so particularly suited to what I use them for (long durations of focus and mild energy) I don’t think they would probably be worth the price. Just fills a great niche for me
 
junetwentyfour said:
11/25 (my mistake)

The tubs I have used so far are these colours:

8/23 is BLACK.
8/24 is RED.

My batch of 8/23-Black is crazy. I cannot take over 1g at once. Way stronger (but not in a good way) than 9/21 gram for gram. I want to finish this 8/23-Black tub once and for all but, at 2g or less a day, it's taking me forever. I don't want to have several tubs opened because, once opened, they tend to degrade way faster than sealed.

I remember when 8/23 first came out that there were a lot of messages comparing powder consistency with previous OG batches. But that is not really so important, the same powder tends to change a lot in colour, density and consistency as it degrades. The real difference between OG tubs and newer tubs was much more clearer once mixed with water: newer batches were TRANSPARENT red once mixed with water whereas OG batches were opaque red/pink (like strawberry milkshake). With OG there was some material that was in suspension and in 8/23 batches and later it was all in solution (hence the transparent colour). But I don't really think that any of those factors have anything to do with how effective it is, most of the powder is fillers or inactive ingredients, the active constituent is probably just a tiny percentage that doesn't affect how the powder looks or how it mixes. So there is really no point in looking too much into that.
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You type almost like you have Excelsior induced mania? No offense meant fellow Excelsorian!
I myself have done that many times but feel a bit more chilled on 11/25 so gonna slip back into contentment enjoy 👍💪

I am glad you did get some enjoyment from my Excelsior mania induced typing that aslo was based on many experiences in my life , the typing us and we all are to a degree more or less.
Sometimes I see pearls to share and I also want to apologize for being confusing and far and I am to myself sometimes lol.

Talking to myself here; Cut the boring business short and expand in the uplifting exalting parts and taint them with a touch of your own uniqeness and inspiration
 
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junetwentyfour said:
I have understood that Hydrazine black is ineffective. Could you please elaborate a little regarding the samples?

How would you compare WHITE HYDRAZINE SAMPLES to:

1) Black Hydrazine
2) White OG Hydrazine bottles.



One of the things that leads new stock market traders to lose money is the well known problem of FOMO (fear of missing out). It's probably one of the things that any trader has to master before moving on to being profitable. I think the same concept applies here: those that were too hasty and bought several tubs of Doomsday "opened their positions" too fast and now they have to accept the (hopefully small) "losses". It's always advisable waiting for Review Bros seal of approval.



I think it would be really useful if you rated these products compared to each other and ordered them in preference.

1) 09/21 Excelsior
2) What you call "OG Excelsior" in your posts ( ?/22)
3) 08/23 Excelsior
4) 05/24 Excelsior
5) 06/24 Excelsior
6) 11/24 Excelsior
7) OG Craze
8) Smash AMF
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Hi,

I don’t have the O.G energy right now to be too elaborate.
I started with 10/22 that were all the same and long lasting forward energy.
My first 8/23 was actually another batch shorter lasting not same good mood , only a little easier to sleep.
But then I ordered again and I got that amazing long lasting O.G feel and a few of my 8/23 were as good and even slightly stronger than the 10/22.
Then I ordered again and again got worse tub and then next time good tub, all with same lot number and then I started to check on the bottom of the tubs what serial numbers they had… lol down the rabbit whole…
6/24 was pretty good in retrospective quite psychoactive in a way that I felt colorenhancement in the nature when out hiking and once in sunset everything was painted pink by the sunset light, it would still had been pink without Excelsior bit it was as a screen of colorenhancement was poured down my mind being cartied by s neurotoxoc psychostimulant.
Red 5/24 more paychoactive feeling less energy and yes nausea was worse with 6/24 and some with 5/25. Only had one 10/25 and I feltcslightly off on it, it felt a bit like Excelsior but I almost never enjoyed it…
11/25 so far was a good surprise as I was prepared for tubs getting weaker.
This one feels like a new version and in a surprisingly good way to me
I think it is one of the most addictive batches ever.
Mood boost is instant for me and almost like contentment in that I could be happy just staying in bed but when starting dance warm I realized I was amazingly energized and fast and it was a sweaty blast training, the most thermogenic Excrlsior in my experience.

Not as long as O.G but long and with some crash in the evening and I feel some stim induced heat in my brain neuroinflammation to a certain grade more or less I think almost all stims induces.

Sleep is a little bit easier than on O.G butcstill crap for me after taking a top up scoop 15:30pm had maybe 0.7 in morning and superlocked into office and writing then a top and bike around town and back glasses on and now I can see the dust and vacuum time lol.

Slightly fried after stimulation but still in a very good mood but that is actually slight mania as opposed to true happinness that comes with oeace and a silent focused mind

now I did it again! Wasted too much time being elaborate about stim junkie use!

11/25 is stronger than I first thought and I got even better results having less than my day where I though I could see the potential but no it is starting to shine in smaller amounts but

the price you pats is your SOUL and madness and you gonna keep desiring this for the rest of your life;

MY PRECIOUSSS!!! 😫
 
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CATdiesel76 said:
After a couple of days of use my I still think my 11/25 excelsior in a black rub and doomsday literally feel like the exact same thing to me.

same taste, powder, chemical burn when dry scooping, dosing, energy onset, duration, same focus, I honestly can’t tell a difference. Haven’t seen a bad review of 11/25 excelsior so maybe some doomsday tubs blew or maybe enough people haven’t tried 11/25. No idea no closure to this mystery being solved. If it weren’t so particularly suited to what I use them for (long durations of focus and mild energy) I don’t think they would probably be worth the price. Just fills a great niche for me
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Not much would surprise me with this company and products. I really hope I haven’t gotten any weak Doomsday in my unopened 11/25 lol
But maybe those who like Doomsday got Excelsior?
 
muscleman said:
Not much would surprise me with this company and products. I really hope I haven’t gotten any weak Doomsday in my unopened 11/25 lol
But maybe those who like Doomsday got Excelsior?
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that’s my thought as of right now. 11/25 for me hasnt as strong as you describe but a super productive with good energy
 
junetwentyfour said:
How would you compare it to Excelsior in terms of effects on ADHD?
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Smash to me might just be the rumored 4f-mph giving quite a strong focus and quite long lasting.
CATdiesel76 said:
that’s my thought as of right now. 11/25 for me hasnt as strong as you describe but a super productive with good energy
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I think 11/25 is really supernice as stim and I think it might be quite addictive.
Possible to even relax or be productive and after drinking the moodboost make me feel content lol,

Cutting out caffeine and all other stims 11/25 feels even better at low doses but also strong in a different way and still lingers and ruined sleep after 0,7 scoops in the morning and half scoop midafternoon.
It was amazing for biking yesterday although sore after warm up I felt no resistance even going up steep slopes
It has worked really well 5 days in a row but even without caffeine and other stims I feel it is a bit draining but most other stims would have me feel much more sides and crap using daily so better take a break but I now the instant moodboost even if today is rest day…

But it seems like it is pool day so a good reason to take a dose 🐣 🦈
Instant imagined contentment just touching mania towards the end at night
 
muscleman said:
Smash to me might just be the rumored 4f-mph giving quite a strong focus and quite long lasting.

I think 11/25 is really supernice as stim and I think it might be quite addictive.
Possible to even relax or be productive and after drinking the moodboost make me feel content lol,

Cutting out caffeine and all other stims 11/25 feels even better at low doses but also strong in a different way and still lingers and ruined sleep after 0,7 scoops in the morning and half scoop midafternoon.
It was amazing for biking yesterday although sore after warm up I felt no resistance even going up steep slopes
It has worked really well 5 days in a row but even without caffeine and other stims I feel it is a bit draining but most other stims would have me feel much more sides and crap using daily so better take a break but I now the instant moodboost even if today is rest day…

But it seems like it is pool day so a good reason to take a dose 🐣🦈
Instant imagined contentment just touching mania towards the end at night
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Excelsior @muscleman is back baby!!! 😂 🙌🏻
 
junetwentyfour said:
How would you compare it to Excelsior in terms of effects on ADHD?
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Smash is a productive hyper tunnel vision laser focus preworkout. You take it when you wanna get **** done.

Excelsior is what I call a “party preworkout”
I take it to enjoy my workout, enjoy my music and hang out with my gym buddies, have conversations in between sets. If I take enough, I try a PR, if not I just go for high reps
 
CATdiesel76 said:
After a couple of days of use my I still think my 11/25 excelsior in a black rub and doomsday literally feel like the exact same thing to me.

same taste, powder, chemical burn when dry scooping, dosing, energy onset, duration, same focus, I honestly can’t tell a difference. Haven’t seen a bad review of 11/25 excelsior so maybe some doomsday tubs blew or maybe enough people haven’t tried 11/25. No idea no closure to this mystery being solved. If it weren’t so particularly suited to what I use them for (long durations of focus and mild energy) I don’t think they would probably be worth the price. Just fills a great niche for me
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I like doomsday, quite a few others did from that old thread but I think only you and @Carolina Kid have used both among Doomsday fans. I think he says they feel different though. It would not surprise me though if it's the same thing and guys who are simulataneously saying the new excelsior 11/25 is great and doomsday blows are probably just subconsciously liking one more when its the same thing.
 
Bernardhopkin said:
Doomsday ! Fake reviews surely the 5star ones !Invalid Link Removed
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I think tons on this forum like it though (cat diesel, Carolina kid, myself, supercellular, Frode flash etc) but they don't talk as much here. you gotta remember AM is a tiny subset of pwo users, very much on the hardcore end and the average buyer is probably a c4, total war user etc.
 
Agree on ^. A lot of the same guys posting the same feedback over and over gives a skewed impression. But it’s odd for sure that some like, others don’t like the “new” excelsior. If it’s a stronger doomsday then I’d probably switch if it works out cheaper by letting you cut dose in half or something.
 
Tried new all white excelsior 1.75 scoops at 4:30 am after a week off other Excelsiors and this one and man is it good stuff definitely not like the other ones!! Super strong!!!alertness!! Focus!!! And productivity!!! Also a lot cleaner than the others doEd off for 30 mins and still feeling it at 5pm didn't get this experience my first timtakingvthisbone
 
muscleman said:
Smash to me might just be the rumored 4f-mph giving quite a strong focus and quite long lasting.

I think 11/25 is really supernice as stim and I think it might be quite addictive.
Possible to even relax or be productive and after drinking the moodboost make me feel content lol,

Cutting out caffeine and all other stims 11/25 feels even better at low doses but also strong in a different way and still lingers and ruined sleep after 0,7 scoops in the morning and half scoop midafternoon.
It was amazing for biking yesterday although sore after warm up I felt no resistance even going up steep slopes
It has worked really well 5 days in a row but even without caffeine and other stims I feel it is a bit draining but most other stims would have me feel much more sides and crap using daily so better take a break but I now the instant moodboost even if today is rest day…

But it seems like it is pool day so a good reason to take a dose 🐣🦈
Instant imagined contentment just touching mania towards the end at night
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I agree with you. Smash is a pretty freaking good pre workout for 60$. Felt like I had blinders on. Tunnel vision hyper focused.
Sweating my balls off though and my heart was beating way too fast (like I was on 3 scoops of excelsior lmao). I wouldn't use it training with a partner that's for sure.

Ironically, I found the effects similar to positive reviews about doomsday. 😂
 
@CATdiesel76 I don’t think we got the same product for doomsday because my tub texture looks nothing like your tub 😞 I'm pretty sure the red pellets are candy like ''nerds'' candies

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I just checked out the new excelsior and dooms day tubs exactly the same different from the previous batches.... Pretty sure the same people that made dooms day made the new excelsior........... INTRIGUING....
 
zufir said:
Nope. Tasted good though
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Haha i was just looking at the forums and some say dooms day is good I got some samples on eBay tried it felt something not very happy ordered a tub from predator before I tried the samples.... Never tried the tub though.. just dbl scooped it hopefully I got a good one
 
cfisher52986 said:
Nothing for me either. Definitely not a placebo effect that excelsior works and doomsday doesn’t. It can’t be a “some tubs are good some are bad “ thing unless only 5% are spiked because 95% of reviewers had no effect
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I don't know bud I'm feeling something special now!!! Took two scoops about an hour ago and definitely feeling something
 
muscleman said:
Possibly feeling disappointment or a desire to drink Excelsior? 😰🥺
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Nah my dudes just crushed a two hour work out trained back and chest just kept going and going like the Energizer bunny in the zone for real!!! Laser focus kinda like excelsior but a tad different no crazy heart rate just tunnell vision set after set after set after set sisnt wanna stop!!! The harder I worked the harder dooms day worked I completely change my views on this one!!! I took two heaping scoops and kapow!!
 
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